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Most intimidating physical sweeper?

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Romo_Owens said:
Last I checked Aerodactyl is OU. And also, it's far from a viable Sweeper. It's a revenge killer and one outclassed by Weavile.
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When was the last time you checked, last year? The tiers change very often, you should make sure you check up on them.

If we're talking 3-on-3, Life Orb Yanmega can go climb a wall of dicks. It's a special sweeper, but I don't care. >:(

most intimidating....mmm not not really scared of any sweeper seeing as i take so much time balencing teams to take out many of the ou threats
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That's what we all do. But there are simply so many threats out there that it's pretty much impossible to counter each one of them on a single team, so odds are that there's at least one Poke that screws you over.
 
Vance said:
Maybe you should check again, because Aerodactyl is UU. Don't make a statement without knowing your facts.
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I got that info from smogon

airconditioning said:
When was the last time you checked, last year? The tiers change very often, you should make sure you check up on them.

If we're talking 3-on-3, Life Orb Yanmega can go climb a wall of dicks. It's a special sweeper, but I don't care. >:(



That's what we all do. But there are simply so many threats out there that it's pretty much impossible to counter each one of them on a single team, so odds are that there's at least one Poke that screws you over.
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THat's true. My team has at least 2 of them that I can think about off the top of my head. Swampert and Gyarados. Weezing gives me trouble as well, Heracross does too.
 
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wow that's kind of a messed up tier.. i mean aerodactyl is at the very worst BL, not UU. it's one of those pokemon you can still have a lot of success with in OU and as stated that many trainers still consider it more OU than UU that it deservingly should be BL at the very worst.

aerodactyl is only one of the fastest pokemon in the game, and with taunt and CB set at its disposal, it can be quite scary. it's great for setting up stealth rock early in the game, and is a great revenge killer. the fact that choice scarf has been introduced shouldn't affect him that much, considering with focus sash he's at least guaranteed to survive at least one hit and can help you scout the scarf'ers. putting it in the same category that includes pokemon like butterfree, beedrill, wigglytuff, pigeot, hitmonchan, etc is just unfair to the rest of UU because CB aerodactyl can sweep entire UU teams.
 
Weavile and Manoswine are two new great treats to anything frail, but I agree that Garchomp is one of the greatest (even thought I don't really like it).
 
Garchomp isnt too scary to me. I am most afraid of CB Swampert or Metagross at times.
 
CB Swampert? Seriously...

As has been stated by myself and others previously, I think this is pretty much the top 5.

1. Garchomp
2. Gyarados
3. Tyranitar/Salamence
4. Tyranitar/Salamence
5. Heracross

SD Lucario comes in close behind, but I still think many people see these as the top 5. LO DD Gyarados is the reason it's second. Scary prospect.

~T_S
 
Tortured_Soul said:
CB Swampert? Seriously...

As has been stated by myself and others previousl, I think this is pretty much the top 5.

1. Garchomp
2. Gyarados
3. Tyranitar/Salamence
4. Tyranitar/Salamence
5. Heracross

SD Lucario comes in close behind, but I still think many people see these as the top 5. LO DD Gyarados is the reason it's second. Scary prospect.

~T_S
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Yup, I agree. LO DD Gyara swept my team before IIRC (probably because I didn't have a counter).

Anyway, Garchomp is definitely first; like Anti mentioned before, Yache Berry Chomp is scary. Especially if you let it get a SD in (and/or you don't have a phazer).
 
Heracross?I've met about 10,i didnt even consider them,and i took thme out easily!
 
please, LO gyarados as i've stated before is only benefitting from its older brother bulky taunt-a-dros. LO gyarados doesn't have taunt which makes it a lot easier for players to stop it/force a switch. with the use of stealth rock it's probably a one hit KO on it the next time it comes in. i still think gyarados is one of the best sweepers in the game, but all these people saying as if it's some beast that people need to be afraid are wrong.

and agreed that heracross shouldn't be top 5. maybe a push for top 10 but not top 5. its attacks are easily stopped as so many pokemon are resistant to its moves(the common gliscor in fact is resistant all its moves except none stabbed stone edge, which don't even do that much). people carrying cresselia as their physical wall though, definitely need to be afraid of this guy. stabbed megahorn is definitely no fun.
 
Kiddo have you ever considered you were maybe playing bad Heracross users ? =/


@C_Dog, Bulky Gyara, cant take hits all that well (not as much as people make out) and it cant sweep, due to lack of speed and no attack.


Aquilae said:
LO Gyarados. There are no electric priority moves. Your basic set, Dragon Dance / Aqua Tail / Stone Edge / Ice Fang has very few counters. BulkyGyara can't tank and can't sweep, so its a no go.

Gyarados' counters:

  • Celebi - 2HKOed by LO Ice Fang after a DD, and Grass Knot fails to KO Gyarados before it wipes out Celebi. Reflect variants also are at risk if they are 77% health or below on the switchin (SR + 11% prior damage), or if Gyarados gets lucky and rolls more than minimum damage the two turns
  • Tangrowth - LO Gyarados does min 44% to Tangrowth meaning it would wipe Tangrowth out before it can KO it. Unless Tangrowth is running Morning Sun it doesn't have a chance.
  • Cresselia - LO Aqua Tail does 48% min to 252 HP/108 Def Bold so it is a 2-3HKO. Cress can't KO back with Charge Beam in return. Unless it has Moonlight / Reflect, it doesn't stand a chance.
  • Uxie - No reliable recovery besides RestTalk meaning that it is prone to being worn down, DD Aqua Tail does min 51% and max 61%.
  • Mesprit - Doesn't carry recovery at all in most cases meaning that it can be worn down, LO DD Aqua Tail does min 58%
  • Starmie - Gyarados outspeeds and does 86% min with Stone Edge/EQ, OHKOs with Bite on the standard spread. Max defense variants take 67% min from Bite and 55% min from Stone Edge / EQ
  • Slowbro - 2HKOed by LO DD Bite after SR damage, can't OHKO back, otherwise it can counter Gyarados
  • Milotic - 2HKOed by LO DD Stone Edge / EQ while failing to OHKO in return
  • Vaporeon - Counter
  • Suicune - Counter
  • Porygon2 - 100% counter
Not to mention with the speed boost Gyarados would be able to outspeed a lot of common pokemon and Gyarados can setup on a whole host of pokemon.

Garchomp is prepared for on every team, whereas Gyarados can't really be prepared for unless said team has a bulky counter. In the case of all-out offense teams they get brutally decimated by LO DD Gyarados and mostly the only thing stopping it is Deoxys-S.
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My thoughts exactly.


So all in all LO DOS > Bulky Gyarados.


There is also a nifty little set to OHKO most every Heracross counter


Heracross@Flame Orb
Adamant Nature
252 ATT / 252 SPEED / 6 HP
Trait : Guts
- Swords Dance
- Facade
- Megahorn
- Close Combat


This is one of the sets that can smash through just about anything.

Heracross has a deadly weapon in Facade, which OHKOs bulky Gyarados (Including Intimidate), Gliscor, and Weezing.

Hippowdon, Bronzong, and Skarmory are OHKOed by Close Combat after a Swords Dance, and every single Psychic-type OHKOed by Megahorn.

This is why i think BOTH are scary.


Not to mention that Toxic Heracross smashes Gliscor, as it has to cope with both Toxic and SR and Hera's attacks.
 
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The only thing that could even think about walling that with ease is Dusknoir or a Rock/Ghost type, which doesn't exist.., and Dusknoir usage is becoming crap. Honestly...Flame Orb Heracross is potentially one of the most threatening Pokemon to anything in the game, only beaten by things quicker, meaning it terrorizes everything slow.

...We should've made a poll on this.
 
c_dog said:
wow that's kind of a messed up tier.. i mean aerodactyl is at the very worst BL, not UU. it's one of those pokemon you can still have a lot of success with in OU and as stated that many trainers still consider it more OU than UU that it deservingly should be BL at the very worst.

aerodactyl is only one of the fastest pokemon in the game, and with taunt and CB set at its disposal, it can be quite scary. it's great for setting up stealth rock early in the game, and is a great revenge killer. the fact that choice scarf has been introduced shouldn't affect him that much, considering with focus sash he's at least guaranteed to survive at least one hit and can help you scout the scarf'ers. putting it in the same category that includes pokemon like butterfree, beedrill, wigglytuff, pigeot, hitmonchan, etc is just unfair to the rest of UU because CB aerodactyl can sweep entire UU teams.
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My thoughts exactly!
They made a horrible mistake bringing it down to UU.
And i think the most intimidating sweeper has to be Garchomp or Gyarados. As long as Gyarados carries DD(which most of them do), he is very intimidating.
 
c_dog said:
wow that's kind of a messed up tier.. i mean aerodactyl is at the very worst BL, not UU. it's one of those pokemon you can still have a lot of success with in OU and as stated that many trainers still consider it more OU than UU that it deservingly should be BL at the very worst.
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Whut?

The tiers (barring BL and Ubers) are all determined by usage. You cannot "consider" something to be OU, since the tiers are defined by hard numbers.

And success in OU doesn't necessarily define success in other tiers. Since Aerodactyl's not used enough to be OU, it can be in UU and still operate fine. Nobody's saying you can't still use Aero in OU. =/

putting it in the same category that includes pokemon like butterfree, beedrill, wigglytuff, pigeot, hitmonchan, etc is just unfair to the rest of UU because CB aerodactyl can sweep entire UU teams.
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In fairness, Beedrill, Butterfree, Pidgeot, etc. would be considered more as NU (which hasn't been properly worked out) than UU. Also, Weezing has been moved down (hey, Aero counter!), and from what I've read, counters to Aero do, in fact, already exist in UU.

Though I don't really play UU. =S
 
Magmortified said:
Whut?

The tiers (barring BL and Ubers) are all determined by usage. You cannot "consider" something to be OU, since the tiers are defined by hard numbers.
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No they aren't. The seperation of OU and BL is determined by usage, true, but all other tiers are seperated by strength.

Also, Weezing has been moved down
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Now that's just wrong. >:(
 
For me, it's Empoleon,whenever I'm in the Wi-fi Battle Tower and I run into one, I think AW NO!!!
No matter what i do they always beat me.
 
Garchomp.

Why else is everyone--and I mean EVERYONE--using him?

Salamence and Gyarados are also pretty scary as is (to a lesser degree in most peoples' minds) Dragonite.
 
airconditioning said:
No they aren't. The seperation of OU and BL is determined by usage, true, but all other tiers are seperated by strength.
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OU and UU, which are the only two tiers that attempt to hold a balanced metagame, are defined by usage. The other two are BL and Ubers, which are defined by power.

If a Pokemon is BL, it should have fallen into UU usage-wise, but was seperated because it was deemed broken in UU.

If a Pokemon is OU, its place has been defined by usage (I think it's the top 75% of non-uber Pokemon usage). Being effective in the OU environment has nothing to do with the Pokemon's tier status, since OU is only defined by usage. This is the point I was trying to get across with, "You cannot 'consider' something to be OU because the tiers (OU and UU anyways) are defined by hard numbers." Aerodactyl is not OU because it's not used enough to be OU. Simple as.

And since BL is the things that are determined too powerful for UU, and because Aero is being tested to see if it really is too powerful for UU, it is considered UU.
 
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