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Most intimidating physical sweeper?

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Despite how poor its speed is, I find Super Luck Absol to be a pain to take out, Crit Hax galore

As far as OU pokemon, I say Heracross, yes every team carries a counter, but that's just proof of concept
 
Angelic Diablo said:
Despite how poor its speed is, I find Super Luck Absol to be a pain to take out, Crit Hax galore

As far as OU pokemon, I say Heracross, yes every team carries a counter, but that's just proof of concept
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Speaking of counter. I also hate Wobbufett. They have Destiny Bond and lot of H.P.

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~*Champion Shirona*~ said:
Speaking of counter. I also hate Wobbufett. They have Destiny Bond and lot of H.P.

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destiny bond usually works very well with something very fast but frail like froslass or gengar. this is because they can get the first move and get the bond out, then the obvious super effective (or non) attack will some and kill it. wobbuffet lacks speed and is very bulky, so when your oppenent sees the destiny bond on the second turn, they will switch out :)
 
~*Champion Shirona*~ said:
Speaking of counter. I also hate Wobbufett. They have Destiny Bond and lot of H.P.

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Wobbufett is completely useless if Taunt is used. Any he's not that difficult to take down.

  • Megahorn from an Adamant CB Heracross.
  • Crunch from an Adamant CB Tyranitar.
  • Hyper Beam from a Modest Specs Porygon-Z with Adaptability.
 
Garchomp, most indefinitely. Yache Berry + Sand Veil is a headache. Counters really can't take a hit, from Outrage. They can only hope to outspeed Garchomp and hit it with a supereffective move. Sand Veil ruins a lot of hope for connecting a hit, and that turn you take may be your only chance before you faint.

Heracross, another threatening sweeper. I hate it. :x
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Are you kidding? ONE ICE BEAM FROM MILOTIC, the stupid Garchomp is GONE.

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Here are calculations, assuming both Pokemon have flawless IVs on all stats.

Icebeam from Neutral 0 Sp.Atk EV'd Milotic has less than a 50% chance of OHKOing Neutral 0 Sp.Def Garchomp. Not to mention Garchomp frequently uses Yache Berry.

Neutral 252 Attack Garchomp w/ Life Orb + 1 Swords Dance OHKOs Positive 252 Defense Milotic w/o Marvel Scale Boost.

Milotic therefore = failure as a Garchomp counter.

~*Champion Shirona*~ said:
Speaking of counter. I also hate Wobbufett. They have Destiny Bond and lot of H.P.

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Yeah, because Destiny Bond from a 33 Speed Pokemon sure is threatening. =/ Destiny Bond only works if the user is faster than the opponent. Wobbuffet is also not a physical sweeper.

Points overruled.
 
I think Electivire deserves a mention. 123 base attack +Expert Belt+ ThunderPunch/IcePunch/Cross Chop/EQ hits 13 of the 17 types for a super effective hit. get that motor drive started and you've got something.....
 
Not really. As of now, Electivire is actually on topic of going Borderline BL instead of Overused OU Tiers. It's not much of a threat anymore and has a TON of Pokemon that counter and wall it effectively. :x

It's coverage may seem attractive at first, but when you really test it out in competetive... it's terrible.

Edit: This got moved to S&M? 0.0;
 
Blegh, Evire is such an overrated, walled-by-everything-with-defense-EVs kind of Pokemon. Heracross does it's job 10x better.
 
GeneralGuy said:
Wobbufett is completely useless if Taunt is used. Any he's not that difficult to take down.

  • Megahorn from an Adamant CB Heracross.
  • Crunch from an Adamant CB Tyranitar.
  • Hyper Beam from a Modest Specs Porygon-Z with Adaptability.
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Okay, let's assuming that you are playing well with Wobbuffet. Why the heck would you send him on on something that uses freaking Taunt? Why would you keep him in on Heracross (and, you'd need for something to be dead from Counter/Mirror Coat or something to even be able to bring Hera in on Wobbuffet), Tyranitar, or any of the things you've said?

The idea behind Wobbuffet is picking your battles. The idea behind Wobbuffet is not to send him up against things that are going to kill him dead.

Icebeam from Neutral 0 Sp.Atk EV'd Milotic has less than a 50% chance of OHKOing Neutral 0 Sp.Def Garchomp. Not to mention Garchomp frequently uses Yache Berry.

Neutral 252 Attack Garchomp w/ Life Orb + 1 Swords Dance OHKOs Positive 252 Defense Milotic w/o Marvel Scale Boost.

Milotic therefore = failure as a Garchomp counter.
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Smogon usage statistics say that Yache Berry's definitely the most common (and, therefore, isn't usually in danger of an OHKO from Chomp's SD Outrage). If anything, Milotic can serve to waste Chomp's Yache Berry, then switch to a Steel type or something and Recover off later... or something. I agree that Milo's no full counter to Chomp, though.

CBChomp eats Milotic. =X

I nominate Gyarados and Salamence for most Intimidating physical sweepers.

I do kinda watch out for LODos and SDLuke a lot, though. =S
 
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Only an idiot would keep garchomp in against mamoswine, so it isnt a valid argument.
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Really? Mamoswine can't be mentioned as a great Garchomp revenge killer because "only an idiot would keep Garchomp in"? Alright guys, I guess bringing up Azumarill as a great revenge killer for Rock Polish Rhyperior isn't valid because "Rhyperior wouldn't stay in." Your logic is quite flawed there =/ Mamoswine most certainly deserves a mention. If it forces Garchomp to switch, guess what? It has dfone its job anyways (forcing the "best" OU pokemon out).

For me, it has got to be Heracross. Toxic Spikes are VERY common, and given Guts and Facade Gliscor and Weezing (oh and Bulky Mence lol) aren't the "counters" people think they are. Also, his STAB moves totally destroy everything except flyers and ghosts, and Stone Edge takes care of that. If you get Gut Facade CBcross to get its boost, nothing gets in its way. Nothing.

It can also run a SD set very effectively and has a very impressive special defense score. Toxic also beats all of its counters except Weezing, which isn't common at all.

As for Garchomp, it's so insanely common and abused the people are ALWAYS prepared for it (usually over prepared). It's a powerful sweeper, and despite having good base speed it's easy to revenge kill. I really like CBchomp though, who imo is one of the best CBers around.

As much as I think Evire sucks, people aren't talking about moving it down a tier, especially when its usage easily puts it into OUs. Should it be used? Well no but it is.

Just to point this out, but NOBODY uses Life Orb on Garchomp Azonic, and only Outrage will OHKO, effectively getting it revenge killed by Mamoswine or Scarf Chomp.

As for CBchomp killing it, Garchomp's different sets have different counters, just like how SpecsMence and CBmence has totally different counters. This is true for all pokemon, not just Garchomp. I don't know, I've always felt Garchomp was hyped a little too much. Yeah it's really powerful, but its speed really does hinder its ability to sweep with SD and people overlook that. Yeah 102 base is really good, but a lot can revenge kill it and I don't like my set-up sweepers getting revenge killed with ease. I guess that's why they usually have substitute lol.

Also agreeing with the Gyarados hype here. It's just a fantastic DDer and CBer.

Sorry, I just generally disagree with a lot of pretty standard thoughts and listing all of my disagreements would take too long so I'll cut this post off now :P

EDIT: Not to deny Garchomp's overwhelming power but I never really saw it as something that could sweep a team. It usually gets a kill and sometimes more but eh its speed really hurts it, despite it being pretty good.
 
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I have to agree with Anti Pop here to say that Garchomp is a bit hyped up too much. I also personally agree that it is crazy to even consider moving Garchomp to Ubers. Of course it is powerful depending on the set but really it is nothing to be fearing of. I have face a few Garchomps that are powerful but never have they tore my team up. Then goes it Sand Veil ability, useful but anybody that is hoping for luck in their battle may need to wake up since luck is just as random as Metronome. Clearly it is powerful and is an intimidating sweeper but not one to do a witch hunt on.

I would have to say Tyrantar since those can be a bit random. Their movesets are random enough and then his ability stays in the battle for a long time to lick off HP turn by turn.

Heracross is another one I go here too. Makes me think twice about throwing out a ThunderWave or something incase one comes out.
 
Definitely going to have to say Garchomp@Choice Scarf,
I have one of these monsters on my team and it cleans up nicely,
I don't even bother with a Swords Dance, because a STABed Earthquake/Outrage takes pretty much anything out, then I go ohlol as weavile/mamoswine switch in and switch out into mixape
 
Gyarados, Salamence, Masquerain, Granbull, and Mightyena. It's their ability. :|

I'd imagine the answer to this question would vary from person to person based on their team- someone with Weavile and Cresselia on their team likely wouldn't be fazed by Garchomp, but find Gyarados or Heracross extremely threatening.

Likewise, Gyarados really pisses me off.
 
Garchomp counter: Reflect Cresselia...there you go. If it Swords Dances, set up a Reflect. They've probably Swords Danced again at this point, so Ice Beam makes quick work in 2 shots, and this especially works if they're locked into Outrage. For CBChomp...Cressy stands again to force it out if it uses Quake or Fire move, but Outrage can almost 2HKO unless you beef it up severely. Prediction is your best friend.

As for terms of sweepers, Garchomp would top it for me, but I've managed to drop Garchomp each time I've faced it with revenges and such. I've had more trouble with the likes of Breloom, Salamence, or heck, even Unsaring. My current team has little protection against it.

When it comes down to it...most likely Gyarados and Heracross.
 
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Garchomp isn't THAT scary. I haven't been battling in a long time but garchomp never struck much fear in me. Gyarados can be annoying though.. it is a headache to counter, but I happen to think that the advance gen gyarados was much better at sweeping. D/P gyarados is less powerful as a sweeper, but it does have waterfall which can flinch hax.

Personally I hated slaking. It could only attack every other turn, but since you're suppose to switch against counters anyway, the hitting every other turn ability isn't a bad trade-off condering slaking is pretty damn powerful. I wouldn't say slaking is the best, but one of the pokemon I hated playing against.

props to those who mentioned machamp. machamp isn't as OU as some of the pokemon mentioned but is just as deadly. one of the best bulky sweepers. I always enjoyed abusing its 100% accurate ability.
 
Just to conclude my earlier post, the most fearsome sweeper is strongly dependent on what affects a person the most. I could say Electivire is the most fearsome sweeper if my team can't deal with it whatsoever, but yet I can counter nearly every other sweeper. I could even degrade to as I said earlier, Unsaring. You'd need strong statistical proof from a large group before you can prove anything on what is most threatening, and even then, it's situational.
 
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