Most intimidating physical sweeper?

[c_dog]

BulkyWaters? The only thing walling that set is Empoleon, which is very uncommon.

yeah, like these water pokemon can't take a few hits despite being bulky. stone edge could even miss. i've stopped gyarados time and time again with different bulky waters so i'm sure it's do-able.

[bquoteHaze is almost never seen, mostly since it's a complete waste of time. You Haze, and then they KO you and start boosting again. Again, Vaporeon gets 2HKO'd by Gyarados's EQ/Stone Edge after a DD. Good luck stalling that beast.[/quote]haze could work if used right. with prediction and some support moves, it works. i'm not the vaporeon expert here but i've seen it work. that 2hko wouldn't happen because haze gets rid of the DD(and i'm pretty certain vaporeon can withstand 3 hits, not 2), and wish/protect or acid armor or some other support moves would help it survive against dos and do its setup.

Vaporeon is a Gyara counter, but not for the reasons you put. It can't come in on a DD'd Gyarados, take a hit, and then take another hit. It needs to predict and come in on a predicted Dragon Dance.

i never said it was suppose to come in on a hit. it's suppose to come in the turn that gyarados DD's up. no trainer would let gyarados have DD up before sending in their counter. thanks for stating the obvious. and since you agree vaporeon can counter gyara, great, i don't have to explain anymore considering i'm not the vaporeon expert.

...What? Leftovers won't bring it back from 61% damage. Skarmory gets 2HKO'd, kthanbai.

how's gyarados going to 2hko when it's already forced to switch out by whirlwind/roar?? 61% damage is max, with leftovers, that's barely over half of skarm's hp, which means it can still roost and be around full health.

Proves nothing at all.

people are calling garchomp hax because it manages to squeeze out wins at tight situations with sandveil(1/5 chance of evading a hit). stone edge has a 1/5 chance of missing, and when that happens in critical situations it's going to cost the team. earthquake is much more reliable than stone edge.

Umm...If it switches into an attack, it gets 2HKO'd. If it's Waterfall, there's a flinch chance. If Skarm is gonna SR AND THEN Whirlwind, that's three chances Gyara has to KO, which it can do.

if someone was going to use anything as a gyarados counter, they would be sure to switch it in on a predicted DD(usually the first). aside from waterfall flinch which can't be helped, you're basically listing things only a crap skarmory user would do. yeah, gyarados gets taken down by multiple drill pecks if it chooses to DD to +6 stages and only use earthquake on skarmory. not to that extent but you get my point.

 

[Aquilae]

Okay c_dog, I will not attempt to refute your points but I will instead show you a very helpful tool:

https://ownpurpose.com/libelldra/damage_calculator.html

A damage calculator. Now you can stop saying that attacks KO when they don't, and attacks don't KO when they do.

Have a nice day.

 

[c_dog]

Okay c_dog, I will not attempt to refute your points but I will instead show you a very helpful tool:

https://ownpurpose.com/libelldra/damage_calculator.html

A damage calculator. Now you can stop saying that attacks KO when they don't, and attacks don't KO when they do.

Have a nice day.

that's funny because i used a similar calculator. the thing is you kept having gyarados roll max damage and opposing pokes roll min damage in your scenarios, even using stealth rock damage to help your case. the thing is even with stealth rock those bulky waters are likely to survive than not(yes, i calculated also on lapras, feraligtr). can't say the same for gyarados if it suffers 25% damage.

 

[Aquilae]

DD LO Stone Edge on 252 HP / 252 Def +Def Lapras - 81.03448% - 95.68966%

DD LO Stone Edge / Earthquake on 252 Def Feraligatr - 57.55627% - 67.84566%

DD LO Stone Edge / Earthquake on 252 HP / 252 Def +Def Feraligatr - 43.85027% - 51.60428%

7.76% chance of 2HKO without SR / Sandstorm / Leftovers
0% chance of 2HKO with Leftovers
100% chance of 2HKO with SR
100% chance of 2HKO with Sandstorm
60.95% chance of 2HKO with SR + Leftovers and no Sandstorm

DD LO Earthquake on 252 HP / 252 Def +Def Quagsire - 45.90939% - 54.31472%

47.73% chance of 2HKO without SR / Sandstorm / Leftovers
3.55% chance of 2HKO with Leftovers
47.73% chance of 2HKO with Sandstorm, no SR / Leftovers
100% chance of 2HKO with Stealth Rock, no Leftovers
97.17% chance of 2HKO with SR and Leftovers
252 Attack Adamant Choice Band Feraligatr Rock Slide on 4 HP Gyarados - 84.93976% - 100% (1/247 % chance of KO)

DD LO Earthquake on 252 HP / 252 Def +Def Vaporeon - 47.84% - 56.47%

83.83% chance of 2HKO without SR / Sandstorm / Leftovers
25.44% chance of 2HKO with Leftovers, no SR / Sandstorm
100% chance of 2HKO with SR and/or Sandstorm (no Leftovers)

 

[c_dog]

DD LO Stone Edge on 252 HP / 252 Def +Def Lapras - 81.03448% - 95.68966%

DD LO Stone Edge / Earthquake on 252 Def Feraligatr - 57.55627% - 67.84566%

DD LO Stone Edge / Earthquake on 252 HP / 252 Def +Def Feraligatr - 43.85027% - 51.60428%

7.76% chance of 2HKO without SR / Sandstorm / Leftovers
0% chance of 2HKO with Leftovers
100% chance of 2HKO with SR
100% chance of 2HKO with Sandstorm
60.95% chance of 2HKO with SR + Leftovers and no Sandstorm

DD LO Earthquake on 252 HP / 252 Def +Def Quagsire - 45.90939% - 54.31472%

47.73% chance of 2HKO without SR / Sandstorm / Leftovers
3.55% chance of 2HKO with Leftovers
47.73% chance of 2HKO with Sandstorm, no SR / Leftovers
100% chance of 2HKO with Stealth Rock, no Leftovers
97.17% chance of 2HKO with SR and Leftovers
252 Attack Adamant Choice Band Feraligatr Rock Slide on 4 HP Gyarados - 84.93976% - 100% (1/247 % chance of KO)

DD LO Earthquake on 252 HP / 252 Def +Def Vaporeon - 47.84% - 56.47%

83.83% chance of 2HKO without SR / Sandstorm / Leftovers
25.44% chance of 2HKO with Leftovers, no SR / Sandstorm
100% chance of 2HKO with SR and/or Sandstorm (no Leftovers)

that's still not a OHKO on lapras. both pokemon stand a better chance to OHKO each other when stealth rock is in play. i guess if lapras really wants to get that OHKO it could go thunder instead of thunderbolt for even more power.

feraligatr, quagsire, and vaporeon all can take hits. all have very low chance of being 2HKO'ed. feraligatr should OHKO on gyarados if you take into account that gyarados would already have life orb damage from attacking it first(something you neglected). and feraligatr is only a 7% chance 2HKO by gyara so it could attack a second time.

quagsire is less than 4% chance 2HKO by gyara. that's plenty of chances to "counter" and stuff.

vaporeon is a 25% chance of 2HKO, also pretty good survivability against gyarados.

 

[The Hero Without a Name]

I like Garchomp, and it is powerful, but I also have faith in Slaking. Even with that horrible Truant, it can cripple teams:

Slaking @Choice Band/Leftovers
Ability: Truant
Nature: Adamant
EV's: 4 HP, 252 Atk, 252 Speed
Earthquake
Giga Impact

stopped reading right there

 

[Divine~Deoxys]

stopped reading right there

Man,you're almsot as bad as i used to be.Two Words-Wasted.Turn.

When you sue a move like that,all that can haappen is,especailly with Grchomp,someoen can bring in a counter and Get an extra go at you while you can't switch or do anything.Giga Impact,Fly,Hyper Beam,Blast Burn,Hydro Blast,etc. =/Fail

 

[The Hero Without a Name]

Man,you're almsot as bad as i used to be.Two Words-Wasted.Turn.

When you sue a move like that,all that can haappen is,especailly with Grchomp,someoen can bring in a counter and Get an extra go at you while you can't switch or do anything.Giga Impact,Fly,Hyper Beam,Blast Burn,Hydro Blast,etc. =/Fail

lol what else was there to say? xp

Anyways... wow. the list is huge. 'Chomp, Salamence, Metagross, Gyara...

 

[Duckets]

Tyranitar. for me. With the ability to create 101 subs, the SpDef boost from sandstream and the massive attack. he is a very powerful monster. Let's not forget that he also gets the option to dragon dance, which just adds to his overall power and potential.

ScarfChomp is another hard hitter to be considered, maybe not as powerful as TTar for me. but nonetheless, Scarf + STAB Outrage = Pain on anything.

 

[Spazzy]

Garchomp is so annoying, it's a bit too much for OU if you ask me. It owns most things, and also: It's ugly. Salamence is ugly aswell, Dragonite and Tyranitar are much, MUCH better done IMO.

Okay, I usually try to read the whole thread or at least the last few before posting, but I have to stop at the sight of this disgusting post. Garchomp is not ugly, it's adorable. I even renamed mine from UseIceOnMe to Beautiful. If you think Garchomp is ugly, you have problems.

Other than it's natural good looks, what it has going for it is that it's naturally fast. That's right, FAST. I don't what makes you crazy pro people that think 55 base speed is fast as long as you EV train it. While Tyranitar (61), Dragonite (80), and Gyarados (81) absolutely have to DDance to be faster than a dying sloth with it's face nailed to both of its feet, Garchomp starts out fast. He also starts out hard hitting, Swords Dance is just for if he's against something that isn't scary enough to kill him in one shot, as opposed to being a necessary crutch. Admittedly, most of the others I mentioned generally can live through one shot, but sometimes they don't. Garchomp can attack on that first shot if necessary.

What I have to complain about is his stupid ability. I've been reading all these posts saying it's amazing. It's not that cool. So he gets a 1/5 chance to be missed IF you're against a sandstorm team. Chances are at a tourney you'll run into an SS team, but honestly that's not going to be every opponent. I can guarantee it'll be less than 1 in 3. The odds that you'll have an opponent that is SS and the ability actually procs in the time that Garchomp is alive are against you. 1/3 enemy SS chance, times 1/5 miss chance, times 3 hits before Chomp dies. One in 5 chance per opponent of a move missing. And that's best case scenario, because for sure less than 1 in 3 teams are SS, and usually from real sweepers a chomp would die on the second hit, not the 3rd. Unless you have an SS team, in which case Ice Punch, Brick Break, Night Slash, Ice Shard, Focus Sash Weavile sweeps your whole team, barring if you have a Skarm or a Lucario with Vacuum Wave/Mach Punch.

Anyway, mathematically, sand veil sucks. Intimidate is better. Salamence may just be better just because he's the same as chomp without the ground STAB, and he has a much better ability. It's a free physical stopper. Also, if you feel like giving him a special attack just in case, like flamethrower, his untrained special attack is enough to make it worth it. The problem is, that ground stab is VERY useful, and the lack of outrage is saddening.

Personally, I think Garchomp is just about tied with Salamence for top physical sweeper. Also, back to my original point, Garchomp is adorable.

 

[Sora_8920]

Okay, I usually try to read the whole thread or at least the last few before posting, but I have to stop at the sight of this disgusting post. Garchomp is not ugly, it's adorable. I even renamed mine from UseIceOnMe to Beautiful. If you think Garchomp is ugly, you have problems. Other than it's natural good looks, what it has going for it is that it's naturally fast. That's right, FAST. I don't what makes you crazy pro people that think 55 base speed is fast as long as you EV train it. While Tyranitar (61), Dragonite (80), and Gyarados (81) absolutely have to DDance to be faster than a dying sloth with it's face nailed to both of its feet, Garchomp starts out fast. He also starts out hard hitting, Swords Dance is just for if he's against something that isn't scary enough to kill him in one shot, as opposed to being a necessary crutch. Admittedly, most of the others I mentioned generally can live through one shot, but sometimes they don't. Garchomp can attack on that first shot if necessary. What I have to complain about is his stupid ability. I've been reading all these posts saying it's amazing. It's not that cool. So he gets a 1/5 chance to be missed IF you're against a sandstorm team. Chances are at a tourney you'll run into an SS team, but honestly that's not going to be every opponent. I can guarantee it'll be less than 1 in 3. The odds that you'll have an opponent that is SS and the ability actually procs in the time that Garchomp is alive are against you. 1/3 enemy SS chance, times 1/5 miss chance, times 3 hits before Chomp dies. One in 5 chance per opponent of a move missing. And that's best case scenario, because for sure less than 1 in 3 teams are SS, and usually from real sweepers a chomp would die on the second hit, not the 3rd. Unless you have an SS team, in which case Ice Punch, Brick Break, Night Slash, Ice Shard, Focus Sash Weavile sweeps your whole team, barring if you have a Skarm or a Lucario with Vacuum Wave/Mach Punch.congrats. Anyway, mathematically, sand veil sucks. Intimidate is better. Salamence may just be better just because he's the same as chomp without the ground STAB, and he has a much better ability. It's a free physical stopper. Also, if you feel like giving him a special attack just in case, like flamethrower, his untrained special attack is enough to make it worth it. The problem is, that ground stab is VERY useful, and the lack of outrage is saddening. Personally, I think Garchomp is just about tied with Salamence for top physical sweeper. Also, back to my original point, Garchomp is adorable.

TL;DR. There's also a lack of spaces. No Enter key? :P

Anyway, agreeing with the Tyranitar post; he's a beast. CB Crobat is nice as well.

 

[Spazzy]

TL;DR. There's also a lack of spaces. No Enter key? :P

Anyway, agreeing with the Tyranitar post; he's a beast. CB Crobat is nice as well.

Well, I fixed the lack of spaces, but the length is stuck.

 

[Divine~Deoxys]

Tyranitar. for me. With the ability to create 101 subs, the SpDef boost from sandstream and the massive attack. he is a very powerful monster. Let's not forget that he also gets the option to dragon dance, which just adds to his overall power and potential.

ScarfChomp is another hard hitter to be considered, maybe not as powerful as TTar for me. but nonetheless, Scarf + STAB Outrage = Pain on anything.

Scarfchomp is one of the reasons i support anyone arguing Garchomp back into uber.Its possibly the strongest of Garchomp sets.I odn't actually fear Garchomp,i see it more as a challenge,as poepel tend to take out mine quite fast

 

[Dark Azelf]

Scarfchomp is one of the reasons i support anyone arguing Garchomp back into uber.Its possibly the strongest of Garchomp sets.I odn't actually fear Garchomp,i see it more as a challenge,as poepel tend to take out mine quite fast

Scarf chomps isnt actually strong tbh, nor is it the most threatening as it has probably the most counters of all chomp sets. (Although Toxic makes things trickier)

If people take out yours quickly, what does that say about how your using it lol ?

CB Chomp and SD Chomp are MUCH more threatening.

 

[sims796]

What I have to complain about is his stupid ability. I've been reading all these posts saying it's amazing. It's not that cool. So he gets a 1/5 chance to be missed IF you're against a sandstorm team. Chances are at a tourney you'll run into an SS team, but honestly that's not going to be every opponent. I can guarantee it'll be less than 1 in 3. The odds that you'll have an opponent that is SS and the ability actually procs in the time that Garchomp is alive are against you. 1/3 enemy SS chance, times 1/5 miss chance, times 3 hits before Chomp dies. One in 5 chance per opponent of a move missing. And that's best case scenario, because for sure less than 1 in 3 teams are SS, and usually from real sweepers a chomp would die on the second hit, not the 3rd. Unless you have an SS team, in which case Ice Punch, Brick Break, Night Slash, Ice Shard, Focus Sash Weavile sweeps your whole team, barring if you have a Skarm or a Lucario with Vacuum Wave/Mach Punch.
QUOTE]

It's a broken ability for him. Serioulsly, you cannot afford to miss on him. a 20% chance of missing can still be pretty killer, and more than likely will cost you the match. Just because he isn't always used in Sandstorm team, doesn't make him any less frightening on Sandstorm teams. A miss could give him the chance to use an extra Swords Dance, meaning that he gets to keep that Yache bery to decimate.

 

[Divine~Deoxys]

Yeah,i use Garchomp in my sandstorm team.Anyway,i reckon it does say osmeihng about how i'm using it.which is why i'm probably oing to drop it for a Jirachi,as i'm better at using it.Gyarados is really Scary thoguh,although Stoen Edge off Ttar coudl probably 1HKO it if it hit

 

[El Gofre]

Jirachi isnt a substitute for garchomp on any team- One is a beastly physical sweeper capable of ripping entire teams apart, the other is a good supporter who occasionally annoys the opposition with the likes of thunderwave.

 

[Divine~Deoxys]

ok.Could a mod close my RMT Thread?I'm oing to makew a tema i like,thne submit it

 

[El Gofre]

ok.Could a mod close my RMT Thread?I'm oing to makew a tema i like,thne submit it

Go into your thread and report the first post, asking for it to be closed. A mod should do it then. Posting in another thread like this is hardly the best way to get their attention.

 

[Dark Azelf]

ok.Could a mod close my RMT Thread?I'm oing to makew a tema i like,thne submit it

Yes because this is really the place to ask for that, stop spamming =/.


And for goodness sake check through your posts before you submit them, most specifically for spelling and grammar errors (Spell Checkers are good for this). Ive seen it from a few of your posts recently.

AKA : -

oing to makew a tema i like,thne

What does this say ?