My First Team... :) for Wi-Fi, NOT SHODDY

[Stop Messing Up My Files Porygon-Z!]

I was never fond of Shoddy because everyone there can legally have 31/31/31/31/31/31, not to mention have more than 255 EV's in one stat.


Jolly Aerodactyl, Pressure (Male)
Focus Sash
20+/31/20+/x/20+/31 (I haven't actually bred this thing yet)
6 HP, 252 Atk, 252 Spe
Taunt
Stealth Rock
Rock Slide
Earthquake

My starter. Aero's two goals are to set up Stealth Rock and prevent the opponent from doing the same. Rock Slide is chosen over Stone Edge because of the flinch chance, and seriously, who WOULDN'T want that on a Pokemon as fast as Aerodactyl? If those annoying anti-leads try to ruin your fun, Togekiss can get rid of them (Aura Sphere takes care of Weavile, and Air Slash gets Infernape) and Wish Aero back to full health to set up Stealth Rock!

Adamant Lucario, Inner Focus (Male)
Life Orb
31/31/18/21/31/31
255 Atk, 255 Spe (messed up EV's, I was gonna put 6 in HP, but it's okay)
Close Combat
Crunch
ExtremeSpeed
Swords Dance

Physical Sweeper. Swords Dance powers up Luke's physical attacks, which allows it to go all out with Close Combat. Crunch is a good move for countering Psychics that resist CC. Luke gets ThunderPunch from Platinum, but I don't want Pokemon like Electivire to get a free switch-in. Expert Belt would be the item if Item Clause were on, and what a fine item it is. CC gets even more power against those Normal Pokemon, especially those who aren't meant to be walls, although if they survive, they could sweep, but I doubt that PorygonZ will be switching into a Steel-type that resists all its attacks anytime soon.


Modest Togekiss, Serene Grace (Male)
Leftovers
31/x/31/31/31/30
252 HP, 252 Sp. Atk, 6 Spe
Air Slash
Aura Sphere
Thunder Wave
Wish

Special Sweeper, Flinch Abuser, Paralyzer, and Healer. Even though he's lived in Skymin's shadow ever since Platinum was invented, he's still a wonderful Flinch-Haxxor. Air Slash is a must on any set with Serene Grace. It is also a good counter for many Pokes that are weak to it. Thunder Wave helps Air Slash to go first and flinch, not to mention decreases the chance of opponents attacking. It can also help Porygon-Z beat even more Pokes. Aura Sphere is for those nasty Rocks and Steels. Finally, Wish is for healing the party, which is a good reason to switch him in.


Timid Porygon-Z, Download
Choice Scarf
31/x/30/30/30/30
6 HP, 252 Sp. Atk, 252 Spe
Tri Attack
Hidden Power Fighting 70
Thunderbolt
Ice Beam

Special Sweeper. Easily the most powerful in OU. If Download gives this sweeper a Special Attack boost, it can quickly defeat most foes, with the crazy unresisted combo of Normal, Electric, Ice, and Fighting. One of the most important things that Scarfed Porygon-Z counters is DDMence and DDGyara. Plus, if Gliscor can Knock Off her Leftovers, Blissey will be slightly easier to defeat. Porygon-Z is my favorite Pokémon. IT IS THE BEST EVAR. And don't you forget it.

This is interchangeable with the Porygon2 below.

Bold Porygon2, Trace
Leftovers
31/x/28/31/31/31
252 HP, 216 Def, 40 SpA
Toxic/Magic Coat/Tri Attack
Discharge
Ice Beam
Recover

Special Sweeper. Not only does this effectively wall and counter Salamence and Gyarados, it also can put up a decent fight against others. It also can Recover its health, which is a big plus for something as bulky as Porygon2. Trace can copy the opponent's ability, which can be useful in some situations. It's Porygon2. Need I say more?

Impish Gliscor, Sand Veil (Male)
Leftovers
30/31/31/x/31/31
252 HP, 4 Atk, 252 Def
Knock Off
Ice Fang
Earthquake
Roost

Pseudo-Physical Sweeper and Physical Wall. Knock Off can be useful for Knocking Off useful items like Blissey's Leftovers so as to make Gliscor's job a little easier. Ice Fang and Earthquake are good coverage, while Roost is a healing move.

Calm Blissey, Natural Cure (Female...of course)
Leftovers
31/x/30/30/30/30
252 Def, 40 Sp. Atk, 216 Sp. Def
Aromatherapy
Toxic
Flamethrower
Softboiled

Special Wall, Status Healer, Status Spreader. This is the best Special Wall in the game. This one is no different. Aromatherapy cures status problems; Toxic causes them. And if it's a haxy day, so does Flamethrower. Toxic, while useful, has no effect on Steel-types, which is why Flamethrower is there. Despite the fact that Blissey has Wish support, it can't switch out all day, so Softboiled is there.[/CENTER]

 

[DonRoyale]

I was never fond of Shoddy because everyone there can legally have 31/31/31/31/31/31, not to mention have more than 255 EV's in one stat.​

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Careful Spiritomb, Pressure (Male)
Leftovers (Leppa Berry with Item Clause)
31/31/31/10/31/21
252 HP, 140 Atk, 116 Sp. Def
Sucker Punch/Spite
Taunt/Pursuit
Pain Split
Will-O-Wisp​

My starter. Please note that I have two clones of this: one with Sucker Punch and Taunt, and the other with Spite and Pursuit. I suppose the former is a better Psychic counter, but I suppose the latter is a better staller, since I just have to use Spite once, and in a flash, Salamence's Draco Meteor's PP is gone, unless it has max PP, in which case it has only two more chances to use it, and that's one more chance once I switch to Blissey so it can Ice Beam (or Counter) the threat away. Pain Split is Spiritomb's method of healing itself, and also a method of damage. If used at the wrong time, it can do the opposite, so when this happens Togekiss can switch in and save the day. This can be frustrating, because since I have both, my opponents won't know whether I'll be using the SP one, or the Spite one. And if they try to just be neutral and use physical attacks, all Tomb needs to do is use Will-O-Wisp. I'm thinking about replacing this with Dusknoir with the same moveset, since Dusk gets both SP and Spite from Platitutoring, although he does have that crippling Pursuit weakness and lack of STAB on Pursuit/Sucker Punch, not to mention Spite not being nearly as effective without Pressure. (and Spiritomb recently became BL, and Dusk's still OU. But Rhyperior's BL too, though.) Perhaps, if Item Clause is on, Tomb could hold Leppa Berry, so as to refuel Sucker Punch's PP.​

OK, so what is this doing for you, from a lead perspective? It is far too slow to Taunt Stealth Rock / Hypnosis users and will just be setup fodder for every single lead you will face. A lead that can set up Stealth Rocks >> this. I suggest Aerodactyl or Azelf.​

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Adamant Lucario, Inner Focus (Male)
Life Orb (Expert Belt with Item Clause)
31/31/18/21/31/31
255 Atk, 255 Spe (messed up EV's, I was gonna put 6 in HP, but it's okay)
Close Combat
Crunch
Stone Edge
Swords Dance​

Physical Sweeper. Swords Dance powers up Luke's physical attacks, which allows it to go all out with Close Combat. Crunch is a good move for countering Psychics that resist CC, and Stone Edge is good against Pokemon like Gyarados. Luke gets ThunderPunch from Platinum, but I don't want Pokemon like Electivire to get a free switch-in. Expert Belt would be the item if Item Clause were on, and what a fine item it is. CC gets even more power against those Normal Pokemon, especially those who aren't meant to be walls, although if they survive, they could sweep, but I doubt that PorygonZ will be switching into a Steel-type that resists all its attacks anytime soon.​

Not bad. You can get berries to reverse your EV's if you really care about the 4 HP EV's.​

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Modest Togekiss, Serene Grace (Male)
Leftovers
31/x/31/31/31/30
252 HP, 252 Sp. Atk, 6 Spe
Air Slash
Aura Sphere
Thunder Wave
Wish​

Special Sweeper, Flinch Abuser, Paralyzer, and Healer. Even though he's lived in Skymin's shadow ever since Platinum was invented, he's still a wonderful Flinch-Haxxor. Air Slash is a must on any set with Serene Grace. It is also a good counter for many Pokes that are weak to it. Thunder Wave helps Air Slash to go first and flinch, not to mention decreases the chance of opponents attacking. Grass Knot is for those Grounds who try to switch into Thunder Wave (specifically Rhyperior and Hippowdon) Finally, Wish is for healing the party, which is a good reason to switch him in.​

EV's are ehh. Not sure what to do with them. Also, Aura Sphere >> Grass Knot or Steels lul at you. Aura Sphere does everything GK will do for you aside from hitting bulky waters (it might even hit Vaporeon harder just because it's light and bulky all at once). I'm not sure what to do with TWave and Wish, so I kept them there.​

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Modest Porygon-Z, Adaptability
Life Orb
31/x/31/31/31/31
6 HP, 252 Sp. Atk, 252 Spe
Nasty Plot
Tri Attack
Dark Pulse
Hyper Beam / HP Fighting​

Special Sweeper. Easily the most powerful in OU, due to its ability to OHKO the best special wall in the metagame, Blissey, with a special attack, a feat which even an Alakazam could never dream of. This set is from Smogon, in case you're wondering. Nasty Plot and Adaptability combined make Tri Attack and Hyper Beam unstoppable, except for its resistances, Rock, Steel, and Ghost, which is why Dark Pulse is there. (Although Steels still resist Dark Pulse, but that's what Rhyperior and Lucario are for.) Yes sirree, this Pokemon can't be beat in terms of special sweeping.​

If you have access to Hidden Power Fighting, use it or Lucario will truly spell doom for you. If not, Hyper Beam can put a dent in it, but I'm not sure if it will be able to stop it from ripping your team to shreds. Steels love switching in on this thing, so HP Fighting is almost necessary.​

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Adamant Rhyperior, Solid Rock (Male)
Leftovers/Shell Bell (Item Clause)
31/31/31/22/24/31
66 HP, 192 Atk, 252 Def
Megahorn
Stone Edge
Earthquake
Curse​

Physical Sweeper and Physical Wall. Other Rhyperior may carry Choice Band, but Curse will do the same thing, and also do this to its defense. The Speed drop is no big loss, because Rhyperior would have trouble catching up to many other Pokemon anyway. Stone Edge and Earthquake offer some good STAB, while Megahorn is good against Psychics. (although they'll probably Energy Ball him before he can get a hit in) Still, it hits Bronzong neutrally, which is good because unless it carries Heatproof, all his other attacks will not be very effective, although Curse will make the Bronzong faster. But despite this, if my fast Pokes come across a Bronzong using Trick Room, in switches Rhyperior to sweep very swiftly. If Item Clause is on, then he'll hold the Shell Bell. Since he's supposed to be doing a LOT of damage, then it won't be a very bad choice.​

This is a ridiculously outdated Pokemon, and easily and pathetically walled by Skarmory, who can easily switch in on Earthquake and Megahorn and setup / Whirlwind you. Sorry, but while this thing packs a punch, it's not that great, seeing as it outpace next to nothing, and there are many more Pokemon that do the job better.​

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Calm Blissey, Natural Cure (Female...of course)
Leftovers
31/4/31/24/31/27
252 Defense, 80 Special Attack, 176 Special Defense
Thunder Wave
Ice Beam
Softboiled
Seismic Toss​

Special Wall, Status Healer, Status Spreader. This is the best Special Wall in the game. This one is no different. Aromatherapy cures status problems; Toxic causes them. And if it's a haxy day, so does Ice Beam or Blizzard, depending if I want power or accuracy, but if an enemy tries to set up Hail, then Blizzard will always hit, not to mention has a chance of hitting through Protect. Ice Beam/Blizzard also halts Salamence in their tracks. Blissey can take some physical hits and bounce them back with Counter. Sadly, in Gen IV Blissey has to choose between Aromatherapy and Counter as Egg Moves, so the combination of the two is Emerald-exclusive. (I hope that if a G/S remake comes about then they can make one of them a tutor move) Unfortunately, what with the abundance of Sandstorm and such, Blissey won't last long without a method of healing, and switching to Togekiss might waste the poor fellow. That's why I might replace Toxic with Softboiled. You decide!​

While you DO have trouble with status, Blissey absorbs damaging status quite well, you have Lucario for Toxic, and Rhyperior (and its replacement) for Thunder Wave. Sleep can be a problem, but it's usually on leads that Spiritomb's replacement will be able to deal with effectively. Therefore, the Aromatherapy set becomes obsolete and the standard set becomes a better option.​

Where do the weaks start? Apart from boosted neutral hits from threats like Tyranitar and Gyarados (just for starters) that you are totally unable to stop, Lucario just laughs at you, sets up on you easily, and proceeds to brutally rip this entire team to shreds. Close Combat can OHKO (3?) of your Pokemon without need for a Swords Dance (and will surely OHKO Rhyperior with one), and will use Stone Edge to tear a hole in Togekiss. It gets neutral hits on Spiritomb, meaning that it doesn't wall it well enough.

Heracross also provides problems, as it does the same thing Lucario does, but can be stopped by Thunder Wave and OHKO'd by Kiss' Air Slash. Watch out for Pursuit.

Rhyperior and Spiritomb have questionable roles on the team. As such, I've found effective replacements for both.

Gliscor @ Leftovers
Sand Veil
Impish
252 HP / 252 Defense / 4 HP
-Earthquake
-Roost
-Ice Fang / Fire Fang
-Knock Off / Taunt

>> Rhyperior, and

Aerodactyl @ Focus Sash
Jolly
252 Speed, 252 Attack, 4 Defense
-Stealth Rock
-Taunt
-Stone Edge
-Earthquake

>> Spiritomb.

You might also want to consider the standard Scarfgar >> Z, to deal with Gyarados and Tyranitar. This way, you don't have to resort to HP Fighting on Z.

 

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You do realize Rhyperior 2HKO's Skarmory with Stone Edge, and can predict a Roost and use Earthquake for the quick KO, right Don?

 

[airconditioning]

I was never fond of Shoddy because everyone there can legally have 31/31/31/31/31/31, not to mention have more than 255 EV's in one stat.

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Careful Spiritomb, Pressure (Male)
Leftovers (Leppa Berry with Item Clause)
31/31/31/10/31/21
252 HP, 140 Atk, 116 Sp. Def
Sucker Punch/Spite
Taunt/Pursuit
Pain Split
Will-O-Wisp

My starter. Please note that I have two clones of this: one with Sucker Punch and Taunt, and the other with Spite and Pursuit. I suppose the former is a better Psychic counter, but I suppose the latter is a better staller, since I just have to use Spite once, and in a flash, Salamence's Draco Meteor's PP is gone, unless it has max PP, in which case it has only two more chances to use it, and that's one more chance once I switch to Blissey so it can Ice Beam (or Counter) the threat away. Pain Split is Spiritomb's method of healing itself, and also a method of damage. If used at the wrong time, it can do the opposite, so when this happens Togekiss can switch in and save the day. This can be frustrating, because since I have both, my opponents won't know whether I'll be using the SP one, or the Spite one. And if they try to just be neutral and use physical attacks, all Tomb needs to do is use Will-O-Wisp. I'm thinking about replacing this with Dusknoir with the same moveset, since Dusk gets both SP and Spite from Platitutoring, although he does have that crippling Pursuit weakness and lack of STAB on Pursuit/Sucker Punch, not to mention Spite not being nearly as effective without Pressure. (and Spiritomb recently became BL, and Dusk's still OU. But Rhyperior's BL too, though.) Perhaps, if Item Clause is on, Tomb could hold Leppa Berry, so as to refuel Sucker Punch's PP.

I don't know much about Spiritomb, so why not. Also, Item Clause will NEVER be on, so don't worry about that.

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Adamant Lucario, Inner Focus (Male)
Life Orb (Expert Belt with Item Clause)
31/31/18/21/31/31
255 Atk, 255 Spe (messed up EV's, I was gonna put 6 in HP, but it's okay)
Close Combat
Crunch
Extremespeed
Swords Dance

Physical Sweeper. Swords Dance powers up Luke's physical attacks, which allows it to go all out with Close Combat. Crunch is a good move for countering Psychics that resist CC, and Stone Edge is good against Pokemon like Gyarados. Luke gets ThunderPunch from Platinum, but I don't want Pokemon like Electivire to get a free switch-in. Expert Belt would be the item if Item Clause were on, and what a fine item it is. CC gets even more power against those Normal Pokemon, especially those who aren't meant to be walls, although if they survive, they could sweep, but I doubt that PorygonZ will be switching into a Steel-type that resists all its attacks anytime soon.

SDLuke NEEDS Extremespeed. 90 base Speed won't get past much, and it hurts like a bith after an SD to most things that actually do outspeed him. Also, it seems like you're worrying far too much about completely unrealistic threats- Electivire? Who uses him? Also, Close Combat is NOT something you need to explain having. Seriously.

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Modest Togekiss, Serene Grace (Male)
(Item Pending, might be King's Rock, Metronome, or Leftovers, you tell me what item works best for this set)
31/x/31/31/31/30
252 HP, 252 Sp. Atk, 6 Spe
Air Slash
Aura Sphere
Thunder Wave
Wish/ Roost

Special Sweeper, Flinch Abuser, Paralyzer, and Healer. Even though he's lived in Skymin's shadow ever since Platinum was invented, he's still a wonderful Flinch-Haxxor. Air Slash is a must on any set with Serene Grace. It is also a good counter for many Pokes that are weak to it. Thunder Wave helps Air Slash to go first and flinch, not to mention decreases the chance of opponents attacking. Grass Knot is for those Grounds who try to switch into Thunder Wave (specifically Rhyperior and Hippowdon) Finally, Wish is for healing the party, which is a good reason to switch him in.

Aura Sphere makes a good companion to Air Slash, as it his many things AS doesn't. Also, Roost is probably a better alternative to Wish- there are many times you'll need instant healing with Togekiss.

Also, you can't use King's Rock with moves that already have high crit rates. And lol Metronome.

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Modest Porygon-Z, Adaptability
Life Orb
31/x/31/31/31/31
6 HP, 252 Sp. Atk, 252 Spe
Nasty Plot
Tri Attack
Dark Pulse
Hidden Power [FIGHTING]/ Ice Beam

Special Sweeper. Easily the most powerful in OU, due to its ability to OHKO the best special wall in the metagame, Blissey, with a special attack, a feat which even an Alakazam could never dream of. This set is from Smogon, in case you're wondering. Nasty Plot and Adaptability combined make Tri Attack and Hyper Beam unstoppable, except for its resistances, Rock, Steel, and Ghost, which is why Dark Pulse is there. (Although Steels still resist Dark Pulse, but that's what Rhyperior and Lucario are for.) Yes sirree, this Pokemon can't be beat in terms of special sweeping.

PROTIP: P-Z can only kill the 252 Def/ 252 HP Bold Blissey with a Nasty Plot Hyper Beam. The 40 HP/ 252 Def/ 216 SDef Calm Blissey (the one that's actually USED) can easily survive the blast. Run HP Fighting over that.

Keep in mind that I'm iffy over NP-Z in general. I'd go with Scarf-Z; 90 base Speed isn't a whole lot.

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Adamant Rhyperior, Solid Rock (Male)
Choice Band
31/31/31/22/24/31
66 HP, 192 Atk, 252 Def
Megahorn
Stone Edge
Earthquake
Aqua Tail

Physical Sweeper and Physical Wall. Other Rhyperior may carry Choice Band, but Curse will do the same thing, and also do this to its defense. The Speed drop is no big loss, because Rhyperior would have trouble catching up to many other Pokemon anyway. Stone Edge and Earthquake offer some good STAB, while Megahorn is good against Psychics. (although they'll probably Energy Ball him before he can get a hit in) Still, it hits Bronzong neutrally, which is good because unless it carries Heatproof, all his other attacks will not be very effective, although Curse will make the Bronzong faster. But despite this, if my fast Pokes come across a Bronzong using Trick Room, in switches Rhyperior to sweep very swiftly. If Item Clause is on, then he'll hold the Shell Bell. Since he's supposed to be doing a LOT of damage, then it won't be a very bad choice.

Rhyperior may be strong defensively, but he's retardedly easy to kill from the Special side. As such, Curse won't help him much in that regard. I'd go with CBPerior instead.

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Calm Blissey, Natural Cure (Female...of course)
Leftovers
31/4/31/24/31/27
40 HP, 252 Def, 216 Sp. Def (I WOULD give it the Cleric EV spread from Smogon, but sadly, Expert Evan's Blissey only comes at level 100...) Real trainers breed their own Pokemon. >:[ )
Aromatherapy/ Seismic Toss
Softboiled
Flamethrower
Toxic

Special Wall, Status Healer, Status Spreader. This is the best Special Wall in the game. This one is no different. Aromatherapy cures status problems; Toxic causes them. And if it's a haxy day, so does Ice Beam or Blizzard, depending if I want power or accuracy, but if an enemy tries to set up Hail, then Blizzard will always hit, not to mention has a chance of hitting through Protect. Ice Beam/Blizzard also halts Salamence in their tracks. Blissey can take some physical hits and bounce them back with Counter. Sadly, in Gen IV Blissey has to choose between Aromatherapy and Counter as Egg Moves, so the combination of the two is Emerald-exclusive. (I hope that if a G/S remake comes about then they can make one of them a tutor move) Unfortunately, what with the abundance of Sandstorm and such, Blissey won't last long without a method of healing, and switching to Togekiss might waste the poor fellow. That's why I might replace Toxic with Softboiled. You decide!

Counter? Seriously? No. Also, even considering running Blissey without Softboiled= no. Also, Flamethrower goes with Toxic- it hits the nasty Steels that are immune to it.​

The team seems alright, but... Rhyperior really is kinda crappy.

 

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Okay, one last reply. I'd get rid of those god awful CB Rhyperior for the Rock Polish set. CB Rhyperior, without Sandstorm support, just sucks, as it can't take a hit at all:

Rhyperior @ Life Orb
Adamant/Jolly
252 Att/252 Spe/6 HP
Rock Polish
Earthquake
Stone Edge
Megahorn

THIS is Rhyperior's best set. It's hard to stop once it gets a Rock Polish, and if your team is full of sweepers...eh, let's just say there's not much that's gonna stop it.

 

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I would say Gyara weak, but you have Rhyperior to counter DD variants. However, MixTar, MixNite, and Mixape give you problems, especially all-out Mixapes. HP Electric/ Flamethrower/ Close Combat/ Grass Knot tears through your team easily.

How the HELL is Rhyperior a Dragon Dance Gyarados counter when its main STAB is 4x effective on Rhyperior?

HP Ice is also superior to HP Electric, so that is almost never used. And there's no way HP Electric will be OHKOing, or even 2HKOing Togekiss.

 

[Dark Azelf]

I would say Gyara weak, but you have Rhyperior to counter DD variants.

I stopped reading there...


How in the blue heck can it counter a pokemon when its 4x weak to its stab move ? Please dont defy logic =/. Even WITH solid rock, it dies after a DD and especially with a life orb lol.



As said before, scarfing porygon-z would patch up some holes here letting you revenge stuff.

 

[Stop Messing Up My Files Porygon-Z!]

So... should I replace Rhyperior with Gliscor or go with the Rock Polish variant?

And should I replace Spiritomb with Aerodactyl or Azelf?

P.S. I still think Rhyperior and Spiritomb are valuable to me in the Battle Tower.

 

[airconditioning]

Gliscor would probably be much better than Rhyperior.

Also, Battle Tower != Wi-Fi.

 

[Stop Messing Up My Files Porygon-Z!]

I agree that Gliscor would probably be great, and that fighting an NPC is waaaaaay different from competitive battling. I just don't know about Azelf because then Spiritomb would be a problem. So Aerodactyl would be my choice, because it doesn't have many counters.

 

[El Gofre]

I just don't know about Azelf because it's way overused and everyone always has a starter to counter it

OU= Overused, it's an entire tier of overused pokemon. Every good team will usually be aiming to cover themselves against most other OU threats, even if they don't carry a dedicated counter. If you're worried about using pokes that are too common then you shouldn't be using blissey.

 

[Stop Messing Up My Files Porygon-Z!]

OU= Overused, it's an entire tier of overused pokemon. Every good team will usually be aiming to cover themselves against most other OU threats, even if they don't carry a dedicated counter. If you're worried about using pokes that are too common then you shouldn't be using blissey.

I'm not worried about using pokes that are too common. I agree, Blissey IS too common, but that's because she's so GOOD. On the contrary, Azelf has to put up with starter Spiritomb that are practically MADE to counter it. Starters are different from others. If starters go down before they get to do what they should, that's bad. The other pokes on your team are different because the opponent doesn't realize your strategy until they switch in. So when the opponent sees an Azelf coming out of your first Poke Ball, then they know that it's gotta have Explosion and Stealth Rock on it and begin to think of a counter. But if the opponent sees a Garchomp coming out of your SECOND Poke Ball, then they start to worry.

 

[Skip Shot]

How the HELL is Rhyperior a Dragon Dance Gyarados counter when its main STAB is 4x effective on Rhyperior?

HP Ice is also superior to HP Electric, so that is almost never used. And there's no way HP Electric will be OHKOing, or even 2HKOing Togekiss.

I thought that Rhyperior could stop Gyara with Stone Edge on a switch... THen I checked damage calcs.

 

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I thought that Rhyperior could stop Gyara with Stone Edge on a switch... THen I checked damage calcs.

Yeah, because Gyarados is slower than Rhyperior and a Gyarados user is going to Stone Edge a Rhyperior...

EDIT: No one brings Gyarados in on Rhyperior.

 

[DonRoyale]

scarf, hush now. you're just throwing a perfectly good brain out the window here.

On the contrary, Azelf has to put up with starter Spiritomb that are practically MADE to counter it. Starters are different from others. If starters go down before they get to do what they should, that's bad. The other pokes on your team are different because the opponent doesn't realize your strategy until they switch in. So when the opponent sees an Azelf coming out of your first Poke Ball, then they know that it's gotta have Explosion and Stealth Rock on it and begin to think of a counter. But if the opponent sees a Garchomp coming out of your SECOND Poke Ball, then they start to worry.

This post makes no sense for many reasons.

1) Uberchomp is Uber.
2) Who plays lead Spiritomb...? Anyone...? (Especially those designed to counter lead Azelf...which...can Spiritomb do...? lolno.)
3) If Azelf should be worried about any enemy lead, it's the flying fossil, Aerodactyl. Every single Aero lead should be the set I gave you, giving it the Speed to outpace any other non-Scarfed lead and Taunt it before Rocks go up. That's why I suggested it over LeadZelf. :)

 

[Skip Shot]

scarf, hush now. you're just throwing a perfectly good brain out the window here.

*marches off to gallows :(*

Yeah, because Gyarados is slower than Rhyperior and a Gyarados user is going to Stone Edge a Rhyperior...

I meant the other away around. Still a noobish comment on my part T_T.

Anyways, that Blissey set looks strange. I would go Calm Nature, and since it shouldn't even be staying in on most physical attackers that come in on it, I would scrap Counter for Seismic Toss or Toxic. Blissey kinda needs the recovery from Softboiled, seeing as you don't have Wish support. Also, go with Ice Beam>> Blizzard, since Bliss needs the extra PP support.

 

[Stop Messing Up My Files Porygon-Z!]

I get the Blissey thing. And I DO have Wish Support, from Togekiss.

 

[Skip Shot]

didn't look at togekiss clear enough. LOL. I was looking at your team, and it is moderately slow. Not utterly slow like STALL slow, but sorta slow. Luke is the only poke with a good speed. Considering a revenge killer here would be a good idea. Scarfgar is probly best, seeing your (Rhyperior wallz it *shot*) Gyara weakness. T-Bolt/Focus Blast/ Shadow Ball/ HP Ice or Hypnosis if u can't get HP Ice.

 

[Stop Messing Up My Files Porygon-Z!]

Well? Should I replace Z with Scarfgar?

I switched my team.

 

[GoldenBagon]

Modest Porygon2, Trace
Life Orb
31/x/31/31/31/31
6 HP, 252 Sp. Atk, 252 Spe
Nasty Plot
Tri Attack
Dark Pulse
Ice Beam

The Only Change would make....
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