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New Generations (III, IV,and V) vs. I and II. Which is better? Why?

Globally, I like the designs of all generations, and I started with the first one.

I dislike Pokemon like Vanilite as well. I don't mind if Pokemon were inspired from plants, animals, myths or aliens, but I have a problem with those inspired from human-made objects because it's really not realistic. I consider Pokemon as animals, which shouldn't look like objects. That's why I don't like Vanilite and evos, Rotom's transformations, Klang and evos and the two karate Pokemon wearing kimonos. Magnemite is not any better and neither is Voltorb (unless Pokeballs were inspired from it and not the other way around). Machamp looks silly with its undies, but as I said in another thread, they at least doesn't seem to be an intrinsic part of it (not a big difference, but it bothers me less).

Farfetch'd is just a duck and it carries a vegetable; it's not associated to humans, so its design is fine with me.
 
Zayin said:
Globally, I like the designs of all generations, and I started with the first one.

I dislike Pokemon like Vanilite as well. I don't mind if Pokemon were inspired from plants, animals, myths or aliens, but I have a problem with those inspired from human-made objects because it's really not realistic. I consider Pokemon as animals, which shouldn't look like objects. That's why I don't like Vanilite and evos, Rotom's transformations, Klang and evos and the two karate Pokemon wearing kimonos. Magnemite is not any better and neither is Voltorb (unless Pokeballs were inspired from it and not the other way around). Machamp looks silly with its undies, but as I said in another thread, they at least doesn't seem to be an intrinsic part of it (not a big difference, but it bothers me less).

Farfetch'd is just a duck and it carries a vegetable; it's not associated to humans, so its design is fine with me.
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I like the way you approach that. Out of curiosity, how do you feel about Pokemon like Timburr, Gurrdurr, and Conkeldurr? They're very Machop-like, but they hold human-made objects, so...?

Also, I hope that the undies are an intrinsic part of Machamp. I REALLY don't want to run into a Machamp without a pair.
 
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I like the way you approach that. Out of curiosity, how do you feel about Pokemon like Timburr, Gurrdurr, and Conkeldurr? They're very Machop-like, but they hold human-made objects, so...?

Also, I hope that the undies are an intrinsic part of Machamp. I REALLY don't want to run into a Machamp without a pair.
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Machamp would be ridiculously hung, so I agree.
 
Mmmkay, everyone drop the arguing, alright? Everyone has the right to their own opinion but just watch how you express it. Stating things like "the new Pokémon are lame" like they're fact is just going to get people riled up. Reminder that those sort of things are completely objective. Looks like we're all agreeing to disagree here so just watch the tempers, okay?

I don't wanna close this since it's an interesting discussion to keep around so carry on and just watch how you word things, everyone.

And ummmm let's steer away from the inappropriate Machamp discussion.... :P
 
Lightning said:
Mmmkay, everyone drop the arguing, alright? Everyone has the right to their own opinion but just watch how you express it. Stating things like "the new Pokémon are lame" like they're fact is just going to get people riled up. Reminder that those sort of things are completely objective. Looks like we're all agreeing to disagree here so just watch the tempers, okay?

I don't wanna close this since it's an interesting discussion to keep around so carry on and just watch how you word things, everyone.

And ummmm let's steer away from the inappropriate Machamp discussion.... :P
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Lmao, okay, I guess the Machamp thing can be dropped. >.< And yes, we should keep this to a dull roar, rather than an all out riot. We all have our opinions, so let's all open up and let 'em out! Just make sure you don't mindlessly bash just to get a reaction. We are all fans here, and we all have our tastes, respect that.
 
Gameplay-wise, the newer ones are simply better. No question about it. I liked the addition of Abilities and Natures in gen 3. And i really appreciated how they improved the special & physical split in gen 4.

I can understand some of the hate the newer pokemons get, and i have nothing against you if you don't like them. But sometimes the hate gets rather excessive to the point where i start to wonder if we would have liked Weezing, Jynx, Lickitung and Magneton if they weren't made untill gen 5.

Gen 3 is a highly underrated region if you ask me. It had some cool locations. Great pokemon designs. The addition of abilities gave some more depth to the gameplay and allowed Gamefreak to create some truly unique pokemons like Keckleon and Shedinja. Gen 4 and 5 also aren't as bad as people call them, but gen 3 is by far the most underrated of the bunch.

I have a hard time picking a favorite, but i probably would pick gen 3 because i love the region, and allot of pokemons became some of my favorites.
 
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Gameplay-wise, the newer ones are simply better. No question about it. I liked the addition of Abilities and Natures in gen 3. And i really appreciated how they improved the special & physical split in gen 4.

I can understand some of the hate the newer pokemons get, and i have nothing against you if you don't like them. But sometimes the hate gets rather excessive to the point where i start to wonder if we would have liked Weezing, Jynx, Lickitung and Magneton if they weren't made untill gen 5.

Gen 3 is a highly underrated region if you ask me. It had some cool locations. Great pokemon designs. The addition of abilities gave some more depth to the gameplay and allowed Gamefreak to create some truly unique pokemons like Keckleon and Shedinja. Gen 4 and 5 also aren't as bad as people call them, but gen 3 is by far the most underrated of the bunch.

I have a hard time picking a favorite, but i probably would pick gen 3 because i love the region, and allot of pokemons became some of my favorites.
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Generation III is FAR from underrated. Most people agree that Emerald is by far the best bridge between styles, and works some great magic. I love Emerald. Next to Yellow and Crystal, it's my favorite. Most people really enjoy Emerald, so underrated is not the word to use.
 
I've been around since the very beginning and I have to say that I prefer the third and fifth generations the most out of all five.

1. Fifth Gen
2. Third Gen
3. Second Gen
4. First Gen
5. Fourth Gen

That ranking is more from a pokemon/region point of view rather than features. If it was features the fourth gen would rank better.

I do get nostalgic, but it's not in a blind "this will always be the best way" which I don't understand at all. How can you ever expect to properly enjoy something new with a viewpoint such as that? It feels like an unfortunate way to be...

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The way I see it, older Pokemon are somewhat cartoony animals with magic powers. On the other hand, newer Pokemon are very cartoony animals with magic powers and more extra features. Yeah, it's fairly easy to tell what each of those Pokemon is based off of (Except Minccino, I would've never guessed that it was a Chinchilla), but they have a lot of features added to them.
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Well you see, if they didn't have those extra features it wouldn't be called pokemon. It would be called: Illegal Animal Fighting Arena

It's all the extra features that make pokemon what they are, without them they'd just be normal animals. (for the most part).
 
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Generation III is FAR from underrated. Most people agree that Emerald is by far the best bridge between styles, and works some great magic. I love Emerald. Next to Yellow and Crystal, it's my favorite. Most people really enjoy Emerald, so underrated is not the word to use.
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well, it's just that in the places i go to it gets quite allot of hate xD
 
I never really played Pokemon until Gen III (though I was a big fan of the anime). That's always been my favourite generation. Particularly the introduction of Abilities, and in Emerald, the animated sprites. I know Crystal has animated sprites, but Emerald took them to a whole new level.

I also like Gen IV, but mainly Platinum and HeartGold. Just for the fact Platinum has more to do with Giratina, and HG/SS, you can walk with your pokemon. A pity Nintendo didn't implement that into B/W.

1st: Gen III
2nd: Gen II
3rd: Gen IV
4th: Gen I/V (I've not really played either... Gen I is a lot more difficult, while Gen V is just weird)
 
Sabrewulf238 said:
Well you see, if they didn't have those extra features it wouldn't be called pokemon. It would be called: Illegal Animal Fighting Arena

It's all the extra features that make pokemon what they are, without them they'd just be normal animals. (for the most part).
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There's hardly anything normal about an electric rat or seal that shoots ice out of its mouth.

The original Pokemon didn't have all those extra design features, and if there was only one generation with real Pokemon, it'd the original 151. They helped start it all and paved the way for the future. It's impossible to say what makes a Pokemon and what doesn't. Apparently ice cream is a Pokemon now.
 
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I never really played Pokemon until Gen III (though I was a big fan of the anime). That's always been my favourite generation. Particularly the introduction of Abilities, and in Emerald, the animated sprites. I know Crystal has animated sprites, but Emerald took them to a whole new level.

I also like Gen IV, but mainly Platinum and HeartGold. Just for the fact Platinum has more to do with Giratina, and HG/SS, you can walk with your pokemon. A pity Nintendo didn't implement that into B/W.

1st: Gen III
2nd: Gen II
3rd: Gen IV
4th: Gen I/V (I've not really played either... Gen I is a lot more difficult, while Gen V is just weird)
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I love the anime, and have actually watched the whole Indigo League season (for the first time since I was like, 6.) in this past week, and I'm almost through Orange Islands season. But anyway, I don't go by Generations for favorites, but rather by the gameplay, Pokemon style, and character story, as a whole, which means the Versions. My favorites go:

1: Can never decide between Yellow and Crystal, while Crystal implements moving sprites, it doesn't have a Pikachu that enables you to get all starting Pokemon.
2: Gold and Silver bring up the rear, especially Gold. Ho-Oh FTW!
3: Emerald: It does an amazing combining of the two games before. Hoenn is in all three, of course, but it broadens the region. One way it does this is with the capturing of Groudon and Kyogre.
4: Of course, Sapphire and Ruby follow up Emerald.
5:Red and Blue didn't spark me like Yellow did, but I still enjoyed them.
6: Hmmm... So far, I have to say that Platinum is just okay... Too flashy for my taste, call me nostalgic, but the gameplay is just too animated. It slows the game down like CRAZY. It takes as much time to complete a catch on Yellow, than it does to actually throw the freaking Pokeball on Platinum! The Pokemon aren't anything remarkable, and it makes me miss the old games that much more, but overall, I give it a 2 out of 5, for the flashiness and Pokemon style... And also because they evolved Rhydon... :''''[ (Or is that in Black and White...?) Oh, and Lucario is awesome, I must admit.
7: Haven't played Black or White, but I have researched the Pokemon. Genosect is kind of a disgrace... The Legendaries aren't atrocious and the Pokemon are getting some of their old style back, but it is still a big stretch from matching Generation I, in my opinion. I give it a 3 out of 5, and when I play it, if it takes 20 seconds to catch a Pokemon, it will drop to 2.

So I guess the basic theme of things, from what I have seen with these responses, it really just matters when you started... If you started off with Generation III, you are bound to love that and forward, and if you started off at Generation I that will most likely be your favorite. I'm not saying that's how it is with everyone, just saying that's the information I have gathered here. On a personal note, I agree with Kirbychu all the way, not just because I started with Generation I, but because I enjoy the style. And THAT, my friends, is my general consensus.

P.S.: I have never heard if Generation I being difficult! O.o I think Generation IV is quite difficult, while I can complete Yellow in one sitting.
 
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Gen 5 blows the other Gen by storm. Not only by design, but how deep and involve you are to the storyline.

I LOVE how everyone is hating on Vanillite and it's evolution because it's an Ice Cream and how uncreative it is. How about Voltorb? It's a pokeball with a face, I'm SURE that's very CREATIVE. OR how about Magnemite? its a ball with a magnet on it? SUCH a creative design.

Its funny how fans keeps their Nostalgia glasses on and hate on new Generation because it doesn't look like the good old days. But the truth is, old fans like us have to accept the change.

To the OP: a bug with a cannon... hmmm wait... how about a tortoise with a cannon? Oh wait... Blastoise has a cannon on it, I don't see real life tortoise having a %^&*ing giant cannon on their back. Instead of bashing Genosect maybe you should read up why it has a cannon. It's a ancient Pokemon that Team Plasma revive and made modification on it.
 
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Gen 5 blows the other Gen by storm. Not only by design, but how deep and involve you are to the storyline.

I LOVE how everyone is hating on Vanillite and it's evolution because it's an Ice Cream and how uncreative it is. How about Voltorb? It's a pokeball with a face, I'm SURE that's very CREATIVE. OR how about Magnemite? its a ball with a magnet on it? SUCH a creative design.
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I find it amusing that everyone think it's so clever to point out some of the most hated Generation 1 Pokemon whenever someone says anything bad about the newer Pokemon. That wasn't directed specifically at you, but the fanbase as a whole.

The thing is, hardly anyone liked Magneton, Electrode, and Muk too (I actually love all three of those Pokemon <3). Most people want their Charizards, Blastoises, and Arcanines back, not Magneton, Electrode, and Muk.
 
Kirbychu said:

I find it amusing that everyone think it's so clever to point out some of the most hated Generation 1 Pokemon whenever someone says anything bad about the newer Pokemon. That wasn't directed specifically at you, but the whole fanbase.

The thing is, hardly anyone liked Magneton, Electrode, and Muk too (I actually love all three of those Pokemon <3). Most people want their Charizards, Blastoises, and Arcanines back, not Magneton, Electrode, and Muk.
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The reason people do that though is because many of the people claiming that Generation I is the best and no other will compete, instead of giving reasonable justifications for their claim, just point out Pokemon such as Trubbish and Vanillite and their least favorite 5 from the newest game, and use this as the basis that the rest of the generation is horrible.

I said this on another thread that was locked and redirected here, so it never got any replies:

I love the household item trend. I love the thought that somewhere in the Pokémon world, there's a Vanillite hanging from an unsuspecting person's house (Pokedex: This Pokémon formed from icicles bathed in energy from the morning sun), waiting to surprise them when they go outside to brush the snow off of their car.

Also, so many people hailed the movement to a more human-centric world with the technology and cities, but not with the Pokemon, which bothers me. Of course there are more Pokemon based on human inventions, that's because the world is more technologically advanced, and Pokemon have taken that step forward with humans. That's what the Professor is studying, how these new Pokemon come about, especially the ones based on things like bags of trash and gears. I can imagine it's just like the issues in the real world today: would new Pokemon have been created no matter what, or are we causing it to happen? Is it a good thing for the world, or something we should work to reverse?

I think they put a lot more thought into Pokemon not based on animals than ones that are, it's just harder to tell for some people. I can't help but think a dog that evolves into...a bigger dog (Lillipup -> Stoutland) is much less creative than an anthropomorphized version of something you wouldn't expect to normally be a Pokemon. Yet everyone complains that ice cream isn't creative, and no one says a word about the fact that we have yet another cat Pokemon evolution chain.
 
Kirbychu said:

I find it amusing that everyone think it's so clever to point out some of the most hated Generation 1 Pokemon whenever someone says anything bad about the newer Pokemon. That wasn't directed specifically at you, but the fanbase as a whole.

The thing is, hardly anyone liked Magneton, Electrode, and Muk too (I actually love all three of those Pokemon <3). Most people want their Charizards, Blastoises, and Arcanines back, not Magneton, Electrode, and Muk.
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Magneton was an awesome Pokemon (Magnezone ruined it for me. Evolite to the rescue!) Steel/Electric in Gen 2 was a killer <3

I used that example to point out how in every Gen there's always bad design. Everyone bashes and trash gen.5 like the Pokemons are super crap compare to the Godlike untouchable Gen 1.
 
Kirbychu said:

I find it amusing that everyone think it's so clever to point out some of the most hated Generation 1 Pokemon whenever someone says anything bad about the newer Pokemon. That wasn't directed specifically at you, but the fanbase as a whole.

The thing is, hardly anyone liked Magneton, Electrode, and Muk too (I actually love all three of those Pokemon <3). Most people want their Charizards, Blastoises, and Arcanines back, not Magneton, Electrode, and Muk.
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I agree, Kirbychu. Oh, and by the way, WildEagle, who said "creative"? Magneton, Elektrode, and Muk are all classic and simplistic. Muk = A citiy's waste combined into a big pile, making it poisonous, it really makes sense. Elektrode = How is that NOT creative?! Taking the very thing that represents Pokemon and making it a Pokemon itself is genius! And Magneton is also incredibly creative. When you explain them as dully as you do, you make it sound bad, but in reality, there are six sets of magnets, each with each presenting polar opposites, which help conduct electricity. Honestly, each of these Pokemon both look and sound dangerous. I hear of a Pokemon made from Ice Cream, I think, "Yum, I want sprinkles!" not, "Attack, use Blizzard, you amazing Ice Cream Cone, you!" -.- Oh, and Blastoise makes sense if you look at his first forms. PLUS, he isn't an bipedal freaking BUG with a smiley face and a gun. Oh, and you kinda helped me out there, a good Pokemon shouldn't need to be modified. I wouldn't bash on Genosect if he didn't have a stupid cannon on it's back and a rapist grin across it's face.
 
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