5th Gen New Types?

[kay3o]

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There will NOT be a light type.

 

[dieter57]

With exception to Zorua and Zoroak, no Pokemon to date has been "Evil" by nature. Its just the version on Light that everyone seems to want just doesn't fit in.

you forget giratina. banished for his "evil ways".....

 

[Jerme]

no light type. LMAO

we already have too many types, and proably 1000 different ways to combine them, which are basically new types.

but i think sableye and spiritomb should be changed to the ??? type, and be the first to be. and the ??? type basically powers all move types as if its the same type as the user.

 

[Thunderhead]

^ A total of 289 different combination, if I did my math right.

One type I would like to see is Sound. There is already a selection of moves/ability's that are sound based.

That, and Expoloud would be converted to sound type almost instantly.

I'm all in favor for new types, as long as they make sense.

Sound and Light are the two types that make the most sense. However, I already see Psychic as the Light type as it really hasn't been paired with any "evil" looking Pokemon. That, and it works as the counter opposite of dark already.

 

[BleuVII]

^^ I was going between 272 and 289, but then realized it was 289, since the types can stand alone too. That's a far cry from 1000. Adding another type would bring that up to 324, and adding two new types would up it to 361. Though, as we know, Game Freak isn't concerned about having every possible type combo.

 

[Secretstunt24]

I've been reading opinions. And I don't know which I favor more. I do understand the benefits of adding a light type. There's still an imbalance in the types. Hopefully adding one more type would tie up any loose ends that left. And there are a few attacks that would change types. Ex. Bite- normal to dark (very useful against the rock types.)

Glass? Care to explain it a little? Sounds interesting.

 

[Weavile05]

All of you that say that light type would make the game inbalanced, what if they make more types to balance it back out again? besides dragon is overpowered, considering only two types are supereffective against dragon, one of which being dragon, and only one type resistant to it. However if they made an ice/ steel type, it would destroy dragon...

 

[Jerme]

All of you that say that light type would make the game inbalanced, what if they make more types to balance it back out again? besides dragon is overpowered, considering only two types are supereffective against dragon, one of which being dragon, and only one type resistant to it. However if they made an ice/ steel type, it would destroy dragon...

but most dragons are legends. theres only like 4 non-legend families which are dragonite, flygon, salamance, garchomp. they all have 4x weakness against ice. so idk if that helps

 

[Thunderhead]

^Altaria and Kingdra


I do think the dragons would need a better counter. Ice/Steel would be bad, because all the dragons can use Flamethrower!

Ice/Water is the best you'll hit with dragon counters!

 

[SargeantMajorKururu]

I know there's like no one else who thinks this...

I want a Wind Type. I know it sounds weird, but think about it. Gust is wind, it has nothing to do with the bird. It flaps its wings to make it, so it counts as flying? No. Razor wind should also be a Wind Type. Maybe Tailwind, Air Cutter, and Defog could be Wind Type. There are probably more...

It would be super effective against:
Fire
Grass
Bug

Not Very Effective against:
Ground
Flying

No Effect against:
Rock

What do ya think?

 

[BleuVII]

Glass? Care to explain it a little? Sounds interesting.

Sure! I posted this on my showcase thread (see sig) about a week ago. Keep in mind that a lot of stuff in the showcase thread is still in the idea stage, so I am still working on designs for Crystix and Pirsor.


Glass Type - ガラスタイプ

Spoiler:

(thanks to Cyberglass and Kingler5 for planting this idea in my head)

Steel has always been a very good defensive type, but when Steel-type was made in Gen.II, we did not yet have the physical/special split that was introduced in Gen.IV. Now that we have the split, it is time for Steel, a Defensive type, to have a Special Defense counterpart type. This is where Glass type comes in. It could alternatively be named Crystal Type, but I haven't decided yet.

========= Type Effectiveness: =========
-=Super Effective (x2) Against=-
Electric
Flying
Poison

<> Reasoning: Glass is officially considered an insulator, and glass may be the number one killer of birds in urban areas other than pollution. As for poison, glass is the substance usually used to contain it. This also serves the purpose of giving two highly defensable types, Electric (1 weakness - ground) and Poison (2 weaknesses - ground and psychic), another succeptability.

-=Not Very Affective (x1/2) Against=-

Ice
Rock
Steel

<> Reasoning: A fragile substance like Glass is not going to hurt harder substances like Ice, Rock, and Steel very much. Ice could also use another resistance, since it currently only has one (itself).

-=No Effect (x0) against=-
none

<> Reasoning: All types have some succeptability to glass

-=Weak to (x2)=-
Rock
Steel
Dark

<> Reasoning: Rock and Steel will almost always shatter glass. Dark is supereffective simply because Dark is only effective against two types, and it is usually the sneaky thief that will break a window.

-=Resistant to (x1/2)=-

Grass
Electric
Fighting
Poison
Ground
Psychic
Bug
Ghost

<> Reasoning: Glass is supposed to resist a lot of previous "special" types, and as we already noted, it is an insulator and can be used to safely contain poison. That makes Grass, Electric, Poison, Psychic, and Ghost explainable. Ground is easy to explain, since even a sandstorm does little more than put minor scratches on glass. Bug and Fighting resistances are less obvious. I wanted to keep with the tradition of Bug being really good when it's good and not-so-useful in other situations. (And honestly, there are a lot of dead bugs on my windshield when I drive in the summer.) Fighting... well, Fighting is already super-effective against 5 types. And really... who would be dumb enough to punch through glass? It does just as much damage to the puncher as it does to the glass.

-=Immune to (x0)=-

Water
Flying

<>Reasoning: I traded off Steel's 11 resistances and 1 immunity for 8 resistances and 2 immunities... a defensive combination not seen before. As for water... you can immerse glass in water for a hundred years and not see any deterioration. Glass is also used to shield against wind, and, as I stated above in a rather tongue-in-cheek fashion, lots of birds die by flying straight into glass. Usually, the glass isn't even scratched. I considered making Glass immune to Poison, since glass vials are really the only safe way to contain poisons and acids for any length of time, but poison is already underpowered enough as it is, so I simply made Glass resistant.

-=Normal Effectiveness (x1)=-

Normal
Fire
Ice
Dragon

<>Reasoning: First, I wanted more types to be normally-effective against glass than there are against Steel since I am giving it two immunities. Because of that, Normal and Dragon have normal effectiveness, keeping with tradition of those two types. I considered making Normal super-effective, just to give normal a super-effectiveness, but decided against it. Fire and Ice were tricky. I considered making glass weak to fire, since fire can obviously melt glass, but fire is already the most powerful of the starting three, and as one person whom I can't remember pointed out, if these games were really true to life, Fire and Rock would beat everything. I guess I can say that Fire is used to shape glass, but it can't actually destroy it. As for Ice... it can be used to make glass brittle by hardening it to the point where it is almost solid (glass is considered a liquid), but glass is also used as an insulator against the cold. So I settled for a middle ground. Also, Ice doesn't need another super-effectiveness.

-=-=Overall Type Chart Reasoning=-=-
I tried to preserve the integrity of certain "unusual" types like Normal, Ice, Bug, and Dragon, while making Glass interact realistically with the other types. The current type chart, combined with the fact that glass will tend to have high special defense and low defense, makes Glass a strong defending type without overpowering it. I had to trade off a few "obvious" explanations and add in a few non-obvious explanations in order to balance it, but such is the nature of the beast.

========= Glass-type Pokemon: =========

Spoiler:

<> Re-types:
none

<> Evolutions:
Pinsir -> trade while holding 'Crystal Coat' -> Pirsor (Bug/Glass)
Description: a bug with two glass spikes protruding from its head. Whereas Pinsir pinches, Pirsor's spikes are meant for cutting and impaling.
Onix -> trade while holding 'Crystal Coat' -> Crystix (Glass/Ground)
A clear glass snake resembling its counterparts, Onix and Steelix. It has two sets of "dorsal fins" for moving through softer substances like sand and water.

(??) Torkoal?
(??) Claydol alternate? (psychic/glass)

<> New Pokemon:

Glass-type pseudo-legendary along the lines of the Beldum family.

New Item: Crystal Coat

Spoiler:

Stat-Enhancing Item / Evolution-Inducing Held Item
Effect: Raises the Sp.Def of the holder by 20%
Secondary Effect:
Causes Pinsir to evole into Pirsor when traded
Causes Onix to evolve into Crystix when traded

 

[dithyrambos]

If they made Reshiram a light-type, demand for Pokémon Black would probably sky-rocket. I can't speak for everyone, but it is reasonable to assume that a lot more people are going to want to be able to catch the legendary with the ~*shiny*~, new type. I suppose that really isn't a problem, but... Idk, it just doesn't seem like a smart move for GameFreak (or for any company) to put themselves in a position where one version of their product could potentially outsell the other by an amazingly large margin. (I'm talking numbers larger than the sales difference between Diamond and Pearl.)

...That said, and as a supporter of the Light-type, a Glass-type doesn't sound so bad.

 

[Ravecat]

Though it's worth a mention that the idea for a Glass/Crystal type did exist prior to BleuVII's ideas.

So while they could be done that way there are other options too, but the most likely is still a Sp. Def oriented type, as a parallel to Steel.

 

[Ravecat]

The point of that is so you post something on-topic and relevant in threads, not going around spamming to up your post-count.

:l

On topic though, who would like to see Glass/Crystal/Diamond/etc. type and who wouldn't?

 

[Jerme]

i just don't see those as types, those are like sub-elements. glass=sand (ground type), crystal and diamond=rock and steel (since dialga, the diamond pokemon is steel tye).

we need something completly different, but i cant think at the moment.

 

[Zackraa]

I would like to see Light types I was hoping Reshiram was Light but he is sadly Fire/Dragon and Zekrom is Electric/Dragon

I was hoping for a light/dragon vs. dark/dragon kinda thing but it doesn't look like that will happen

 

[Xander Olivieri]

I would like to see Light types I was hoping Reshiram was Light but he is sadly Fire/Dragon and Zekrom is Electric/Dragon

I was hoping for a light/dragon vs. dark/dragon kinda thing but it doesn't look like that will happen

Do you have Proof of this? I haven't seen an update anywhere confirming their dual typing yet.


As for the Wind deal, Flying already kinda covers that. I believe Flying(Bird) Type was originally the Pokemon version's "WIND". Most wind based attacks are flying type with exceptions to Icy Wind, Silver Wind, Ominous Wind, and Whirlwind.

 

[dithyrambos]

The more I think about a Glass/Crystal/Diamond type the more I like them. ....And I've realized that what's held me back from liking them is their connotations. Glass and Crystal bring to mind images of things that are frail and weak, and by association a Glass/Crystal-type Pokémon will also be perceived as weak (like many of the Ice-types, such as Sneasle, or Frosslass). Diamond, of course, has better connotations. Ones that bring to mind strength and durability. But there has already been a game titled Diamond. Confusions can arise, especially from those who have never played a Pokémon game. It is likely they'll think that the Diamond-type has something to do with Pokémon Diamond, and it doesn't. The Crystal-type also suffers from this pit-fall.

SO, what's my solution? To forget the idea of adding new types altogether, of course!
Haha, just kidding. I drifted off to sleep last night and I and my brain got into a lengthy conversation about crystals, diamonds, glass, and their chemical compositions. What is a single common denominator between these three...? Carbon. And now we get into the meat of my insomnia what I'm trying to illustrate in this post. Instead of glass, crystal, or diamond, why not call it the Carbon-type? It is an all-inclusive term, having the ability to represent not only glass, crystal, and diamond, but other things such as poison and rock as well. The word carbon also opens the doors for even more type combinations, such as Carbon/Steel. Carbon also lacks those negative connotations that come with the alternative names.

So, uh... whatdya guys think?
At this point, I'm beyond speculation. I'm pretty much just saying things that I know have little to no chance of being in the games, but man... it sure would be cool if they were!

 

[Xander Olivieri]

Crystal is really the only thing that has had a Canon Debute though.

Crystal Onix from the Orange Isles. Only known info from there is it resisted Water and was weak to Fire.

Seemed more like Ice than anything.

(just putting in 2cents)

 

[PPS Morphine]

I would not be a fan of light types, only because I love the little trifecta they have going on between Ghost-Dark-Psychic