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OU RMT (Just keeping it plain and simple)

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    A very very very old team Ive decided to bring up and RMT. It's amzing effective and it's somewhat gimmicky. This team is far from simple.




    Deoxys-e @ Focus Sash
    Ability: Pressure
    EVs: 6 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
    Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Taunt
    - Stealth Rock
    - Counter
    -Shadow Ball
    Very good lead, designed by Dark_Azelf. Taunt to prevent set ups, Stealth rock to set up. Here's the fun part, Bronzong as I find is very hard to kill IMO so this is how you kill it. Taunt it's Hypnosis/SR and it's guaranteed to Gyro Ball next. Kinda fun to see it Gyro Ball and Counter back for a guaranteed OHKO. Shadow Ball for Gengar and Azelf leads.

    Spiritomb (M) @ Leftovers
    Ability: Pressure
    EVs: 252 HP/140 Atk/116 SDef
    Careful nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
    - Sucker Punch
    - Taunt
    - Will-o-wisp
    - Pain Split
    If played right, this guy can stall for a LONG time. The only problem is doing some damage. Taunt walls and to prevent becoming set up fodder, and then WoW Pain Split or Sucker Punch.

    Salamence (M) @ Life Orb
    Ability: Intimidate
    EVs: 224 HP/12 Atk/192 Def/80 Spd
    Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
    - Dragon Claw
    - Dragon Dance
    - Earthquake
    - Roost
    Bulkymence is very convinient, always was. DD and Roost accordingly. then pull off a sweep with STABed Dragon Claw or Earthquake. Very Bulky as well, out bulks Gyarados AND has intimidate.

    Cresselia (F) @ Leftovers
    Ability: Levitate
    EVs: 252 HP/108 def/148 SpD
    Bold nature (+def, -Atk)
    - Rest
    - Sleep Talk
    - Ice Beam
    - Charge beam
    Excellent wall and Status absorber. Restalk to increase my survivability rate and absorb status. Charge beam and ice beam for boltbeam coverage and for the occasional +1 SpAtt.


    Lucario (M) @ Life Orb
    Ability: Inner Focus
    EVs: 252 Atk/ 252 Spd / 4 HP
    Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Swords Dance
    - Close Combat
    - Crunch
    - Extremespeed / Bullet Punch
    Standard.


    Roserade (M) @ Choice Scarf
    Ability: Natural Cure
    EVs: 4 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
    Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
    - Leaf Storm
    - Sludge Bomb
    - Hidden Power [Fire]
    - Sleep Powder
    Scarf for instant speed. Leaf Storm has High initial power and STABed and so is Sludge Bomb. HP Fire for those messed up Steels and Sleep Powder to instantly stop Sweepers in their tracks.

    Changes
    CMcress to Restalk cress
    Agilitygross to SDluke
    Ice beam to Shadow ball on Deoxy
     
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    I could switch Metagross for SDluke or mixcario to counter tyranitar
     
    ~Your DeoxysS is a bit too defensive. If Gengar and Azelf leads bother you, why wouldn't you replace Stealth Rock with Shadow Ball? Stealth Rock is without a doubt the most awful move invented in D/P. I don't mean it's weak, I just hate it.
    ~I liked the idea of Taunt+Sucker Punch on Spiritomb. I even want to adopt it. Can I?
    ~Sleep Powder with Choice Scarf? Shadow Ball should kill Gengar, or even Extrasensory, but it's coverage is inferior to Shadow Ball. And Leaf Storm is a bit too risky for me, not sure about you...
     
    Yes, Sleep Powder on a Scarf Pokemon. Makes it one of the fastest sleep around. Also, That Deo set is fine. It's a great, great lead pokemon, that really messes up other leads. The term is Anti lead. I don't see why you don't like Stealth Rock, but that is no reason to tell him it's the worst move invented. You'll need to back that up with a reason for why he shouldn't use it.
     
    sims796 said:
    Yes, Sleep Powder on a Scarf Pokemon. Makes it one of the fastest sleep around. Also, That Deo set is fine. It's a great, great lead pokemon, that really messes up other leads. The term is Anti lead. I don't see why you don't like Stealth Rock, but that is no reason to tell him it's the worst move invented. You'll need to back that up with a reason for why he shouldn't use it.
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    Because DeoxysS is an offensive pokemon, Stealth Rock is for more defensive pokemon, If it was on a Claydol I wouldn't complain.
    Oh, and even thought it's a hit-and-run strategy, I don't why Shadow Ball for denting Gengar won't do better.
     
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    You need to better understand this metagame. Did you see many lead pokemon? Infernape & Azelf also runs with Stealth Rock, as they make great leads. Which is the purpose of that set. Just because it is primarily offensive, doesn't mean it can't better use Stealth Rock, or even run a quasi-"defensive" set. It shut's down lead pokemon, like Bronzong, while setting up rocks.

    i will agree on the purpose of Shadow Ball, though. But Ice Beam is better for dragon leads. Not great for Gengar & Azelf, so I don't understand his logic on that.
     
    sims796 said:
    You need to better understand this metagame. Did you see many lead pokemon? Infernape & Azelf also runs with Stealth Rock, as they make great leads. Which is the purpose of that set. Just because it is primarily offensive, doesn't mean it can't better use Stealth Rock, or even run a quasi-"defensive" set. It shut's down lead pokemon, like Bronzong, while setting up rocks.
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    I agree with this and he explained it well too.

    Ive seen it from a few of your posts lately Frosslass, please get to know the current metagame before making comments.

    This goes to everyone.
     
    Froslass said:
    Because DeoxysS is an offensive pokemon, Stealth Rock is for more defensive pokemon, If it was on a Claydol I wouldn't complain.
    Oh, and even thought it's a hit-and-run strategy, I don't why Shadow Ball for denting Gengar won't do better.
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    Acutally, Deoxys-S is usually used as a Tank. I've seen one Cosmic Power up a few times, and then it's nearly unstoppable.
     
    Froslass said:
    Because DeoxysS is an offensive pokemon, Stealth Rock is for more defensive pokemon, If it was on a Claydol I wouldn't complain.
    Oh, and even thought it's a hit-and-run strategy, I don't why Shadow Ball for denting Gengar won't do better.
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    You must not understand the concept of a 'suicide' lead. Basically, they are designed to get up SR, Double Screens, Taunt things, etc...Sure, it may seem ineffective, but it truly is since it opens up sweeps.
     
    I thought it was "anti leads", leads meant to counter the common leads, like Zong & Swampert.

    But then again, what if anti leads become common,do we need anti anti leads?


    Nevermind.
     
    okay back on topic, seeing you guys argueing is getting nothing done except giving frolass more knowledge, so I have ice beam for dragons BUT at the same time I can hit Gengar and Azelf at the same time, kapeesh?
     
    You won't do any real damage, while they are free to take you out with Shadow Ball. So no, Ice Beam won't hurt Gar & Azelf much.

    Moonlight is an epic waste of time. Sandstorm is everywhere, and Moonlight will be void. AgilityGross is also pretty void. It doesn't hurt anything, really, while you'll be Explodig far too often. I can see a major Gyarados weakness here, as well.

    Does that make you feel better?
     
    THANK YOU VERY MUCH.Ahem.Okay, you guys are stuck on Shadow Ball >>> Ice beam so on it goes. Agilitygross I'm probbaly going to slap Mixcario over and Ill get Sleep talk Cress to absorb status as well, crocress or Boltbeam? Thoughts? Ideas? before I actually do it
     
    Awfully mouthy for one asking for help.

    Mixcario freakin' sucks. There are better wall breakers, & he does little damage than he should be doing.
     
    actually, Im srry if you took that offensively but I meant every single word, thx. Mixcario I find kindof good because HP ice helps me triumph over Gliscor every single time. SD bullet punch and Close Combat does well the rest.

    Ill just SDcario if mixcario is all you say and does little damage. I can also CBpert to compensate for power and deal with ttar at the same time, thoughts?
     
    Very well, that means you can handle the rest yourself.
     
    Haven't you seen the Suicide Azelf leads these days?

    They are getting more and more common, but they aren't meant to stick around very long.

    Honestly, your SS weak majorly, you got a sasher, bulkymence, ANNND a Moonlight cress.

    The team looks pretty solid though. and I love the Deoxy's lead, Dark_Azelf is a beast though :p
     
    You guys do realize D_A didn't design that lead right? lol

    Also that Cresselia set really blows. It's totally walled by Bronzong, Heatran, and steels in general. Moonlight sucks big time on top of that. Cresselia is most useful to be a potential wall to dragons/gyara/mixape. That's pretty much the whole point in using it >_> Suicune is a superior Calm Minder with better typing and an ability to not get walled by half of the top ten pokemon...
     
    He could OPT with a HP Fighting for steels, +1-2 does some damage, but Bronzong still walls it pretty much
     
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