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    Yo! I'm fairly new to competitive battling though I learn quick. I've been experimenting on Shoddy and so far, I haven't done too bad with my team. Occasionally I have some troubles, but I've been able to sneak by with good predictions and a little bit of luck (or hax if you want to call it that). Anyways, I currently have a rating of 1304 with this team and I've only lost maybe five times thus far. The team is presented in no particular order outside of the Lead. Any help would be greatly appreciated as I'd like to break 1500 on Shoddy and improve via WiFi. :)

    At a Glance
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    240 HP / 216 Defense / 52 Sp. Attack
    Relaxed@Leftovers Torrent
    ~Stealth Rock
    ~Earthquake
    ~Ice Beam
    ~Roar
    **Notes: I trying this suggestion because (1) I get Stealth Rock. Two, it's not an entirely suicide lead and while I don't mind suicide leads, I prefer to have all my Pokemon give more to the team then just a lead KO. The Lucario set was working, but so far this has proven to be the better set. Not sure about the EVs though. I understand Swampert is normally defensive, but would a slightly more offensive role be worth it?


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    156 HP / 108 Attack / 100 Defense / 144 Speed
    Adamant@Leftovers Intimidate
    ~Dragon Dance
    ~Waterfall
    ~Stone Edge
    ~Taunt
    **Notes: Gyarados has come through and saved my ass many times. Taunt is an invaluable too to stop stallers in there place, especially when they can't hit back hard enough. I just Dragon Dance up and slam them. Generally comes in when I know an EQ is coming or if I'm expecting an ice attack as he soaks them up nicely. His bulkiness is underrated and has also been greatly appreciated.


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    36 Attack / 252 Sp. Attack / 220 Speed
    Mild@Expert Belt Motor Drive
    ~Thunderbolt
    ~Flamethrower
    ~Hidden Power [Ice]
    ~Cross Chop
    **Notes: With Gyarados on the team, electric attacks are bound to come in and try to take him out. Enter Electivire to sap that lovely energy and give him the speed boost for some mid-late game sweeping.


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    172 HP / 120 Sp. Attack / 216 Speed
    Timid@Life Orb Pressure
    ~Calm Mind
    ~Hydro Pump
    ~Hidden Power [Electric]
    ~Ice Beam
    **Notes: Went with a slightly bulkier Suicune for sweeping, but it still gets the job done. A couple of Calm Minds and it's down to business. I may try the 252 Sp. Attack/Speed set just to see how it'll work out, but for now I'm going to run the slightly bulkier set.


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    32 HP / 252 Attack / 224 Speed
    Adamant@Life Orb Technician
    ~Bullet Punch
    ~Swords Dance
    ~U-Turn
    ~Superpower
    **Notes: Replaced CB Scizor with a little more versatile SD Scizor. With LO and a SD, he can tear through opponents with Bullet Punch. Switch him in on something he scares, SD and then rock'm sock'm. 32 HP EVs allows it to use LO 11 times. Kept U-Turn to keep his hit and run style going.


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    6 HP / 252 Attack / 252 Speed
    Adamant@Choice Scarf Serence Grace
    ~Ice Punch
    ~Thunder Punch
    ~Trick
    ~Iron Head
    **Note: I brought back Scarfed Jirachi with a little difference though. Instead of Ice Punch, I got Trick. Iron Head will do enough to the Dragons, probably even flinch hax them to death. Trick is to deal with those annoying walls I may encounter like Hippowdon and Suicune.

    Please, rip and tear this apart and help me out with building a better teams. Thanks :)
     
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    thats what I call , an offensive team . SD Lucario as a lead isnt that much great . you may use the Anti-Lead set of it .

    Lucario @ Focus Sash
    Lonely Nature
    Inner Focus
    EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe / 4 HP
    -Close Combat
    -ExtremeSpeed
    -Crunch
    -Counter

    Official Smogon Anti-Lead Lucario set , it can beat down opposing leads ( Aero , Infernape , etc) .

    and for that Jirachi. it doesnt need that 80 HP EV . try 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe EV spread since it is meant for attacking and flinch hax. and Adamant Nature if you want it to hit harder than Jolly. oh and by the way . you have only 1 Special Sweeper . and Alakazam is Easily KOed by LO ExtremeSpeed Lucario . you may need to change Scarf Jirachi into Scarf Tran , it will really help Scizor,s x4 Fire Weakness
     
    and for that Jirachi. it doesnt need that 80 HP EV . try 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe EV spread since it is meant for attacking and flinch hax. and Adamant Nature if you want it to hit harder than Jolly.
    Jolly + 176 Spe EVs is meant to outrun base 90 speed tiers such as Luke.

    Don't use physical Vire, it gets too easily walled with low base power moves. Mixed is the best option for it. Zam gets easily defeated by Scizor, the #1 used Pokemon right now. You need at least a lure for Scizor if you want to sweep with Zam. CM Latias also outclasses CM Zam most of the time, and it has loads of more resists to let you get it in, and helps you switch into Fire attacks aiming for Scizor (but you do have Gyara). I might come back later for a better rate.
     
    If that is your team I have to say that ScarfFlygon you from a lot of bother, Lucario lead for personal experience absolutely is not a good idea.
     
    If that is your team I have to say that ScarfFlygon you from a lot of bother, Lucario lead for personal experience absolutely is not a good idea.

    Other than the last part about Lucario, I have no idea what you said.

    Regardless, I put up the Mixed Electivire to give him a whirl and switched out Swords Dance on Lucario for Counter, though if I wanted to keep SD, what should I run? Jolly/Adamant?

    Also replaced the Scarfed Jirachi with the Scarfed Heatran. We'll see how this all works out. It's been suggested a couple of types to replace Alakzam with Latias, I've also been told a Swampert would be a better lead to allow SR to get up. Any suggestions as I'm trying to keep legendaries out of my lineup, but I will if they are that much better and will help me perform better. Thanks again in advance.
     
    Other than the last part about Lucario, I have no idea what you said.

    Regardless, I put up the Mixed Electivire to give him a whirl and switched out Swords Dance on Lucario for Counter, though if I wanted to keep SD, what should I run? Jolly/Adamant?

    Also replaced the Scarfed Jirachi with the Scarfed Heatran. We'll see how this all works out. It's been suggested a couple of types to replace Alakzam with Latias, I've also been told a Swampert would be a better lead to allow SR to get up. Any suggestions as I'm trying to keep legendaries out of my lineup, but I will if they are that much better and will help me perform better. Thanks again in advance.

    First paragraph: Sebastain said that Scarf Flygon is gonna give you problems.

    SD Luke is a late-game sweeper, just use the anti-lead set if you're gonnna run it. Also, Swampert is a much better lead, and isn't legendary. 0.0

    If Gyarados gets in a DD, you are 6-0'ed. Gyarados gets some good oppurtunities to switch in thanks to Scizor and non HP Electric/Explosion ScarfTran.

    Jirachi was sorta preventing that with T-Punch revenge killing. It would be a good idea to bring it back, since it also saved you from the dragons, who now walk over you, especially MixMence.

    Alakazam shouldn't be used because Scizor walks over it with Bullet Punch. If you want a Calm Mind Sweeper, Latias or Suicune makes a better choice.

    I'll be back.
     
    Lucario as lead I am never is not liked, the lead of your opponent immediately attaches it and your Lucario finds again him with a reseted Staying Power, even Lucario will have succeeded in using Close Combat but the lead of your opponent it has Focus Sash and he can withstand your hits and to kill your Lucario, says Lucario it is a late-game sweeper not an anti-lead.
     
    Alright. I replaced the Lucario lead with Swampert, though as I stated in its notes, I'm not exactly thrilled with running a bulkier set (it was suggested I do) as I always prefer offensive to defensive.

    Replaced Alakazam with a Suicune. Again, I went with a slightly bulkier set, but this was my decision. I felt with the Calm Mind it would benefit better in the long run if it had a bit more HP investment. Though I may try the 252 Sp. Attack/Speed set later.

    Changed Scizor from a CB set to a SD set. While I've always enjoyed Scizor, I've never liked him being set to one move. I've also always liked a Scarf better than a Band. Anyways, this set has been working out pretty well for me so far.

    Replaced Heatran back with Jirachi as Heatran was doing nothing for me. Instead of Ice Punch this time though, I replaced it with Trick to hopefully stop an annoying wall from getting on my nerves. IE. Hippowdon, Suicune, Vaporeon, etc.

    Thoughts and comments please. :)
     
    A couple of things:

    With Scizor, CB is better for this team because it provides you with a scout. SD turns Scizor into a sweeper, and U-Turn makes it lose its attack boosts every time it uses it.

    If you're gonna run Trick on Rachi, don't drop Ice Punch, because the dragons will still walk all over you otherwise. Scizor is walled pretty well by Gyara, so you could consider dropping Fire Punch. Iron Head Flinchhax is a eww strategy for the dragons, because it won't OHKO any of them iirc, and they can catch on to your strategy and just switch to a resist to Iron Head like Suicune or Gyarados, which can then use you as set-up fodder.
     
    A good idea, about the Ice Punch over Fire Punch. I've found myself handling Scizor well enough and my waters handle most steel types and the Iron Head hax has only worked a few times. Also changed nature to Adamant for the extra punch. Found myself just missing killing a couple of x4 weak Pokemon of Ice by a small percentage and it's annoying XD

    The SD Scizor though has been good to me since I brought it in. While it is true I lose the SD if I U-Turn out, the power at which it's delivered when considering SD, LO and Technician is impeccable and invaluable thus far. I normally sweep anyways if they all me to SD as Bullet Punch + LO, Technician and SD crushes opposition, even those that resist it (unless they are a defensive wall).
     
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    A good idea, about the Ice Punch over Fire Punch. I've found myself handling Scizor well enough and my waters handle most steel types and the Iron Head hax has only worked a few times. Also changed nature to Adamant for the extra punch. Found myself just missing killing a couple of x4 weak Pokemon of Ice by a small percentage and it's annoying XD

    The SD Scizor though has been good to me since I brought it in. While it is true I lose the SD if I U-Turn out, the power at which it's delivered when considering SD, LO and Technician is impeccable and invaluable thus far. I normally sweep anyways if they all me to SD as Bullet Punch + LO, Technician and SD crushes opposition, even those that resist it (unless they are a defensive wall).

    If you're gonna stick with SD then, at least use X-Scissor>> U-Turn.

    Also, Swampert gets better overall coverage when he uses Ice Beam instead of Hydro Pump.
     
    I actually prefer U-Turn on the Swords Dancer.

    Basically it lets you scout and wear down your counters early in the match because SR + U-Turn >> most of its common switch ins. Then you can sweep with Bullet Punch late match once everything is weakened. However thats all up to personal preference.
     
    Also, Swampert gets better overall coverage when he uses Ice Beam instead of Hydro Pump.

    Yeah, I was just seeing how Hydro Pump would work for him, but I went back to Ice Beam.

    And yeah, I forgot U-Turn isn't effected by Technician, I was going off of what Smogon said that U-Turn was and didn't think about it, but still. SD + LO makes for a nasty U-Turn and put a hurting on lot of Pokemon. Worked wonders for me.

    Thanks for all the input guys. If anything else comes to mind, please don't hesitate to put it up.
     
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