PC ~ The Broken Community

[Cherrim]

Omg wow! A Lightning post! I thought she was dead!

Anyway?

I'm sorry, but I have to make this thread. PC is changing at an ever increasing rate and I don't like what its shaping up as. The recent Kairi/a1337a issue spurred me on in this.

Everything changes? deal with it. It would be unnatural if a society like this one didn?t change. Change is inevitable and just because you don?t like it doesn?t necessarily mean it?s a bad thing.

n00bs are now over-running PC like a plague, they're bad repping people and managing to hurt and anger vet PC members into leaving. I was just in a thread where someone gave bad reps to two peeps with NO GOOD REASON. There's absoluetly no excuse for it. I myself have gotten 3 bad reps in the same thread for NO REASON. It's frusterating, infurating, and time to do something about it.

Veteran members leaving? So? I think I?m considered a ?vet,? right? I didn?t leave because of n00bs. The one?s who are leaving having their own reasons. Newbies don?t just join to randomly give out bad rep. You?re making too big a generalization here. If you hate getting bad rep so much, just turn it off. There?s an option for it under your Control Panel. I was a newbie once. You were a newbie once. EVERYONE was a newbie once. Just because you don?t like some doesn?t mean they?re all terrible and stupid. If you look at the situation so negatively, of COURSE it?ll seem like newbies are a plague.

I don't want PC to turn into a SPP in rule enforcement, but its time that mods become stricter than ever. There have been to many members leaving over hurt feelings and such, some of my friends included. I'm sick and tired of dealing with stupid people who do stupid things.

I can?t even remember now, but were you part of PC back in the beginning? That was fun. Seriously, I think that?s quite possibly the most fun I ever had here. And that was when we had about 5 active moderators. We had nothing like the T-Dome ? that stuff would go in Other Chat. Why? People weren?t so spazzy all the time. When things seemed a little tense, the thread wouldn?t be closed automatically, it would just be told to calm down. If flaming arose, it would be dealt with. I do NOT want to become incredibly strict. That just kills the fun for everyone. By the way, PC is not SPP. We never were and never will be. Nor are we any other forum. We?re just PC. If someone is harassing, thus resulting in hurt feelings, then you go to a staff member about it. If you?d rather leave over it, then so be it. That?s their decision. Everyone is to be respected here (newbies included). If you don?t want to deal with stupid people, then stop talking to people. Truth be told, many in this world are what you would consider ?stupid? ? you?ve gotta learn to deal with it sometime, so why not now?

Those who think that "This is all fun and games, we shouldn't have strict rules!" are wrong. People think that until they get needlessly flamed or shunned because of something that wasn't there fault. People flamed me for like post count. This kind of thing is a direct assualt on our beliefs and values, and any forum that lets it go on isn't worth my time or yours.

When you?ve been flamed, you GO TO A MODERATOR. I can?t stress that enough. They?re there to help you, not just sit there with their fancy names. Like I said, one of our rules is that everyone must respect everyone else. That means whoever flames you is breaking a rule. Therefore, the right punishment needs to be used. Honestly, if you don?t tell the staff, they can?t make it better. (On that note ? it?s weird writing ?they? instead of ?we? x3;;)

As a plea to the general PC population (yes, believe it or not, we ARE a community.) we should try to be nicer to others and immediatly stick up for those individuals that get bullied. I don't want PC's reputation going down the drain because we have dumb people killing off the fun left here.

If someone is being bullied, again, go to a moderator. Every forum has ?dumb people,? but by talking about people in such a manner, you?re contradicting yourself. First you say people shouldn?t be flamed or shunned, yet you turn right around and say that newbies and people whom you don?t view as intelligent as yourself don?t belong here? Maybe you should step back and re-evaluate what you stand for here.

Consider this and please do something about it. We value the vets & members we have left, and don't want anymore to go.

There will always be new members to fill the void. Maybe not as well, or not in the same way, but there will always be people. As for vets? can people please stop using that word? ?We? want to be remembered for what we?ve done, not because we joined at a certain time. -_-

I know Arcanine will try his best at least, but unfortuneatly I don't know the other mods. this isn't a recent problem either, and lately its just gotten worse.

Andy isn?t the only mod, you know. So yeah, maybe we?re a little thin up at the top right now, but there are plenty of mods to cover for the moment. The mods CAN be trusted. We higher staff, although some of us aren't up in that rank anymore, hand picked almost all of them, after all. I can speak for us when I say we tried to make the best decisions for the community. Maybe you think it?s gotten worse, but that may not be the case to everyone else. After all, one man?s trash is another man?s treasure, as they say.

I agree with PJ that PC has changed. We aren't as happy as we used to be. Great members are concidering leaving. I don't feel as happy as I used to on here. It isn't right. We need to do something about this, soon.

Maybe YOU aren?t as happy as you used to be, but some people are. Some may even be happier with PC the way it is. It?s personal opinion coming into play here. If you don?t feel as happy, try to fix it. Do what you?ve always done, or try to get more involved in things you enjoy. Don?t make the rest of PC conform for you. If you?re that upset, conform to them. -_-;

I think REP is a big reason in many people leaveing, n00bs give bad rep for no reason, I also think it's the flaming, and spam, and debates that cause it.

Then turn off your rep. Simple as that~

And I also never liked stiff staff (the Mods will know this from my posts about stiff staff in the Lounge), we need staff members around PC. Not Robots that will go by the rules word for word. Right now I don't see any stiff staff members.
And you can't stop new members from joining. I bet the time you joined PC had topics about all the n00bs around PC. They won't always be n00bs, everyone was new here at one time or another.

You used to be an incredibly stiff staff member. ^_^; That was way back when I disagreed with almost everything you said? like once when you gave a member 2 warnings for one post (I think double posting and not putting 10 words. XD) Heh, but now you?re good. We don?t want really ?stiff? moderators, but you don?t want to be too loose, either. You?ll get another Jess situation.

As for your second point, bravo~

But im afraid theres nothing that can possibly done to stop n00bs, all that can happen is that they're banned asap. Making the rules more strcit wont get them banned any quicker, and will just make ppl more miserable because their freedom will be tied down..
Abby and sawah demoted themselves, but havent left -they demoted themselves just so that no staff politics would come into their relationship, which is perfectly understandable.

I agree? even if the rules were followed word for word and everything, it?s not like things will immediately be better. If anything, it?ll likely get worse. People will stop recommending us to their friends and it would just be? annoying. People tend to stick around with PC because we?re looser than most other places and we?re tolerant of everyone. Let?s try to keep it that way, shall we?

As for Abby and Sawah, that?s their decision, so I respect it.

The community needs to understand I'm not citing newbies for our problems. Not at all.

It sure seemed like you were. Your post, the foundation of this thread, made a direct reference to newbies. Therefore, many people responded to that accordingly. n00bs are still newbies. The terms are interchangeable, in my eyes.

You all also need to understand that I'm not saying PC won't change, but rather that we can influence the way PC does change. right now its changing in a VERY negative way. WE HAVE THE POWER TO CHANGE THAT.

Again, that?s YOUR opinion. Have you stopped to think that maybe some people LIKE the way it?s turning out? Try to think about that before turning that into a statement. Not everyone has the exact same opinion as you. That?s what makes everyone different. Now, I completely respect what you?re doing here. The best way to make PC the way you like it is to think of it that way. If you think ?okay, I?m going to get on and have fun at PC!? then you most likely will. On the other hand, if you think about it negatively, then you won?t have much fun at all and you?ll think about it, well, this way. Negativity spawns these types of threads.

That's what some of you don't get! WE HAVE POWER! The community is built upon the members and their actions. This is more about the spirit of PC than what the mods can physically change about the appearance. Every post we make reflects on PC, but not always in a good way. That's why we need to be nicer, and stick up for people. Not everyone has rock hard skin, and we're all different. We can't just expect other members to have the same likes/dislikes as us. It's what makes us a community. That's why its annoying to me to see that members are cutting down each other's ideas and posts. It's wrong.

You just said what I covered in my last response, so I?ll take this moment to agree with you here. Everyone has the power to change PC. Just standing around complaining about how bad it is won?t do ANYTHING. You have to go out there, create threads, and post how you always have. Encourage everyone to take part in discussion and bring everyone together as a community. PC will never be the way it was back in late 2002, but you can sure try! Back then, everyone knew everyone else. Now it?s much harder to keep that spirit going, since there are so many members, but the more you include and accept everyone else, the better. It?s okay to disagree ? everyone does and that, like change, is positively unavoidable in life. Everyone is similar, though. We?re all human and we feel the same emotions. Sympathize with that and try to befriend everyone you can. Make this a community again, where everyone is respected and everyone has fun.

If PC needs a Civil war, bring it on. Sure helped out the USA. Maybe this is just a tough time, and everything will turn out ok later. We need to do everything we can to make this a brighter, nicer place. Change starts with the members.

Let?s? keep war out of this, shall we? ~_^ Peaceful resolutions are always the best, in my books.

Okay, jeez. Too many people are replying to this, so I?m just gonna post this now and quote more stuff later. Ack. x_x;

 

[Ryoutarou]

Sex threads should be banned. They don't have a place in a pokemon community.



Yes, the whole should have to pay for it. It's too bad that it had to be that way.

That would work in a real life sense, but here staff can root out the members that do it. T-Dome, I don't like it the way it is, but it's mature talk. So it can stay the way it is, even though most of the threads are all about sex and very little political talk anymore.

 

[Miyu-chan]

With regards the T-Dome, i enjoy the political and other debates, but the sex threads are really disturbing..especially when they're filled with posts from ppl under the legal age >.> I'd be for the sex threads being closed ^^

T-dome for that might be a bit disturbing. Imagine a 12 year old suddenly saying something at the dinner table with his/her's parents, and they find out that they learned it at PC, and the whole thing might result in a lawsuit and PC being closed forever.

I say that we make the T-dome part more strict, and if you really feel the need to, bring the age limit to 18, since 18 year old's actions are held responsible only by themselves.

But that's what I think. =]

 

[Ryoutarou]

T-dome for that might be a bit disturbing. Imagine a 12 year old suddenly saying something at the dinner table with his/her's parents, and they find out that they learned it at PC, and the whole thing might result in a lawsuit and PC being closed forever.=]

That won't ever happen, why? Because you HAVE TO ASK to be able to see T-Dome. The gae limit has a problem we delt with a long while back, people can change their age. Also, what's to say that a 18 year old is mature? I know plenty around here that are no where near how they should act.

 

[Claire]

I do think some ppl are going a bit crazy :\
Rep is just a system to enjoy others good rep comments about yourself. Being given bad rep by spammers shouldnt bother ppl, and giving pointless rep to friends does nothing for you (your rep level doesnt affect who does and does not like you).
Sure there are things about the t-dome, but thats one small section so its not harming PC as a whole..
I also find it strange the way that ppl who complain about rep most of the time havent disabled their own rep >.>

One main problem is members taking things too seriously and personally -the forum's a place to come and relax, not a place to come and be judged, so just relax more ^^; everything said and done isnt a personal attack ^^;

 

[pokejungle]

Rooting out members who abuse the system? Over half would have rep system disable than! -_- The other half wouldn't even use it =(


We shouldn't need a place to talk about sex at PC. Period. I'm sure there's other forums where you can take your horny posting.

 

[parallelzero]

That won't ever happen, why? Because you HAVE TO ASK to be able to see T-Dome.

Okay Jorge, deep breaths... In... out... XD
I personally dont go to the T-dome, but I hear stories, XD
I dont see the need in disabling the rep. Only a couple of members are complaining, and that dont mean diddley-squat... (I always wanted to use that word, XD)

 

[Kayleigh]

Cheerful? I can do that!!! XD
Even though Ive had the worst day of my life, I can still be cheerful! *puts on a big smile*

I don't think PC is broken, its just fine! If it is broken, people like me can be the super glue to fix it! (bad comparison, I know, XD)

Ah, sorry to hear that... But, you're a good example of how people don't have to be rude to everyone else even when they are having a bad day. That's a good thing!

Lol, Kayleigh, people will neever be mature about rep again. It use to be when someone made a good post they'd get rep, and the system itself was very good, back then, but now it's just something that you do when a friend post, you just think "OMGTHATSMYFRIENDIWILLGIVEHIMREPPNG", and thusly you have people that can't even use proper grammar have 5K+ rep, and those who actually make thoughtful posts hardly get a slice of the cake

Yeah, I noticed that... I've been here over a year now, but I've seen people that have only been here a week with more reputation points than me, lol. o_o; Not like I'm jealous or I even deserve more than them, but it's just kind of the point of how once someone befriends someone else that uses the rep system in the wrong way, they kind of go over-board with it... Too many people give reps to others for the wrong reasons.

Well you said it yourself, most of PC's members are under the age of 15. You can't expect every single one of them being kids to act grown up and mature.

I'm not talking about the kind of maturity like, 'Hey, I'm old and really smart and calm and blah blah blah!' Younger people can be mature in the way of being friendly to everyone. You don't have to be too smart or old to know that. I've seen 18 year-olds act ruder than my four year-old neighbor, and yes, when they do that I'll call them immature because that's what they are. If they're doing it for wrong reasons then I wouldn't think they were acting their ages. Even though younger children still have the tendency to act more immature, they also should know how to be friendly.

So, if they'd [including the older people] do that then there wouldn't be a problem.

 

[Ryoutarou]

Rooting out members who abuse the system? Over half would have rep system disable than! -_- The other half wouldn't even use it =(


We shouldn't need a place to talk about sex at PC. Period. I'm sure there's other forums where you can take your horny posting.

You warn/ban thoes members then.

T-Dome was made because people thought they needed a place for "mature" talk. Even though I don't agree with half the post in there, it was a general request thing.

 

[DragonTrainer]

"I also find it strange the way that ppl who complain about rep most of the time havent disabled their own rep >.>"

Does it really make a difference if we fight against rep and don't have it disabled, does it truly make us look like total hypocrites?

 

[Miyu-chan]

That won't ever happen, why? Because you HAVE TO ASK to be able to see T-Dome. The gae limit has a problem we delt with a long while back, people can change their age. Also, what's to say that a 18 year old is mature? I know plenty around here that are no where near how they should act.

Not all people are honest online. If I wasn't able to see T-dome, I *might* re-register, and I'll just lye about my age. It's better to be safe than sorry.

And I'm just saying that we should bring the age limit up to 18 because then we are no longer *held responsible* for the results/consiquensis.

And I'm not bashing all 12 years ols people... >"<

 

[Ryoutarou]

Not all people are honest online. If I wasn't able to see T-dome, I *might* re-register, and I'll just lye about my age. It's better to be safe than sorry.

And I'm just saying that we should bring the age limit up to 18 because then we are no longer *held responsible* for the results/consiquensis.

And I'm not bashing all 12 years ols people... >"<

Like you said though, not all people are honest about their age. Anyone could change their age.

 

[Claire]

When ppl are passionately against something, and yet continue to have it, it does unfortunately DT, IMO anywayz
Again, if ppl are really taking things done by spammers to heart that much, then rep may as well be disabled..it just seems crazy to take it that seriously and personally..

About T-Dome, the age could be 18, and to stop any legal problems, the admin/whoever can ask for their full consent and guarantee of their age -a basically written contract gives PC no problems ^^ or we could just close any sex threads..

 

[^^NICK^^ v.3.0]

Straight to the point. You people take things so melodramatically serious. This is a message board. If you don?t like something, ignore it or leave. It?s the internet. GO out and get a real LIFE!! Most of this stuff isn?t even that serious, seriously. You guys, as much as I hate to say it, really get on my nerves, and whine way too much, and I?m a whiner myself, so that?s pretty bad. I have been holding in most of my feelings about this place since I joined, and I can?t anymore. I may not have any good reasons to you all, but whatever. New people, yes some of them are annoying, some are not. A lot of ?veterans? are annoying. That?s why I?m mad right now, and my thoughts are all jumbled. But, you?re always gonna find things annoying in life, and I can?t imagine how some of you will handle it when you step out into the real world. Okay, now for the reps. If you don?t like reps, just don?t use them. They serve no really important purpose. All these posts about how reps are killing you or something, oh my GOD they annoy me so much. You all get the point. I?m kinda tired of this place. Seems like the same stuff repeats itself so much, and I have lots of better things to do. If I wanna add something I?ll post it later, but for right now, this is it. Honestly, a lot of you are annoying, and I?m sure you probably feel the same about me, and I don?t care right now. AND if you?re someone who doesn?t like me, you?ll be happy, and leaving, bye.

And no, I?m not killing myself, it was a joke.

 

[pokejungle]

I'm glad there's a lot of interest in my thread, but the point wasn't to bicker between ourselves, but rather to make positive changer here.

Please, just be nice to everyone, it really does make a diference, and makes others happy. Be kind, be considerate, be proud.

 

[Kayleigh]

Well, I don't think that it would be necessary to raise the age limit if we didn't allow some of the topics in there. Anyone who has access to the T-Dome probably knows which ones I'm talking about. If not, then just go look and ask yourself: 'Should a 12 year-old be reading about that yet?' O_o I've seen some that made me think that!

 

[DragonTrainer]

Thing's off, happy? -_____________-

"GO out and get a real LIFE!!"

I do have a real life, and a good one, kthxbai

 

[Ryoutarou]

When ppl are passionately against something, and yet continue to have it, it does unfortunately DT, IMO anywayz
Again, if ppl are really taking things done by spammers to heart that much, then rep may as well be disabled..it just seems crazy to take it that seriously and personally..

Very well said, as I said. As I said today, people need to realize this is only a message board. The rep thing is as simple as this" Turn it off. No one will bother you like that with bad rep.

 

[ravenstorture]

Like you said though, not all people are honest about their age. Anyone could change their age.

But I see where she is going with this. If the age limit is 18 then it would be fine because if you lied about your age and you end up getting in trouble by your parents and they try to force the blame on PC, then the staff could just show that the person lied about their age and therefore, Pc is in the clear. I hope that makes sense a bit. Atleast that is how I understood what she was tryign to say.

 

[Ryoutarou]

Just turn the rep off yourself if you don't like it. I don't see Piro or any of the other high reppers turning thier's off.