Pink... blue...

[Cherrim]

Attached is a list of the usergroups. :| And that's in the user edit page, so they show up as checkboxes and it's manageable (although it takes up a fair amount of room). But it's more often used in drop-down boxes like you can see at the top of the screenshot and that's just a pain to find things in. :(

 

[Melody]

So? We add a few more options to a list. To be honest that's a really shallow reason to oppose it in my opinion, but if adding more usergroups might make it more difficult to configure plugins ad such, then I could see that being an issue. I do know that permissions can be rather annoying seeing as how vB only allows a primary and secondary usergroup.

 

[Ho-Oh]

Just give blogger to the other supporters so they can decide member / supporter display, so they have A choice...

then again I like being unique D:

 

[Melody]

The job itself can only be as stressful as you let it be. o.o

Yes, it's a minor annoyance but it doesn't break the interface within the ACP. I may not have much 'experience' but I've run a small forum or two with more usergroups than PC has. x3

 

[Melody]

You see, that's your problem and why everything seems so easy to you. PC is a much, much larger forum, so it's really really hectic to manage usergroups sometimes, especially when it comes to supporter usergroups. Sure, the job is only as stressful as you make it out to be, but sometimes the stress just comes natural of the work being a huge burden.

You're highlighting something otherwise insignificant to be honest. PC isn't that large of a burden mainly because it's not something that demands attention 24/7, in fact most of the staff members have lives, they're in college and working and such. Like I said, the job itself is only more stressful as you let it get to you more and more. I've staffed on a large IRC network before, and while it's quite chaotic, and crazy, in the end, it's not that bad. With that being said, rejecting an idea outright simply because it adds a few more lines to a few option lists is really petty in my opinion simply because the system is logically built to handle such things. If the job is indeed overly stressful it's because that person's life probably has other stresses which makes them more easily stressed. At that point in time, it's not the fault of small things that they may oppose or lash out at.

 

[Melody]

You aren't a staff member, you wouldn't know, so you are in no position to make such a statement.

False, you're in no position to assess my experience and tell me if I have a right to put in my two cents. Experience or lack therof, DOES NOT disqualify anyone's opinion. It's arrogant thinking to feel otherwise.

This is fairly obvious. The first rule of modding is to keep a cool head. But whats your point by saying this?

I'm pointing out the other possible causes of their stress. The stresses of real life are far greater than the stress of working with PC, I can most certainly assure you of THAT fact.

Irc =/= forum. Sorry but that's an unsuccessful comparison.

Actually, it is similar, very similar as far as a discussion medium goes. IRC is in REALTIME so it's even harder to manage than a typical forum is. With that being said, this merely nullifies your argument that I lack experience in operating and moderating any sort of online mode of discussion.

Y'know, it's sorta ridiculous how you say that adding extra lines would not be stressful at all and you're not even a staff member here and never have been. That's quite an ignorant assumption to make simply because you use examples such as "I've modded/admined other forum so clearly it couldn't be as hard" but you realize that none of them even come close to the massive size that is PC. You don't know what its like to admin or mod PC and you're making such a naive idea that is basically the same thing as modding/staffing another forum. That's pretty ludicrous.

I don't have to be a staff member to know that it would not add much stress to the job. Oh whooptido, sometimes the list is annoying when you can't seem to find the right thing to pick, but by no means does that mean you need to keep that list slim or limit other functionality to keep one small element of the interface from occasionally annoying you. Life is full of little things like that...little things that annoy you, but aren't really causing any significant total harm to be worth fighting for. I'm simply trying to present a solution to the problem of supporter username color being brought up often, and it feels somewhat like my idea isn't even being considered due to my "lack of experience" which naturally offends me. You don't have to have experience to bring a useful idea to the table and you certainly don't need to be staff to have say about stuff like that.

No one said the ACP couldn't handle it. Its the staff admins that most likely can't due to the sheer amount of supporters already.

The job becomes stressful when you add unneeded stress to what you already have. What you don't realize is the authority of the staff admin/ assistant admin positions. You basically contradicted yourself and make several faulty points. Yes, the staff members obviously have lives and they have to work. So why should they add more stress on themselves by basically giving the supporters freedom of reign?

If the case was indeed that the ACP couldn't handle it, she would have said so. I considered this possibility in the off chance that she might not have worded or articulated that fact to us for whatever reasons she might have.

Supporters are nothing different from regular members except they have a few extra perks(depending on tier) and a colored username/badge. I think you're a little too proud of your status, there, but that's just me.

It's not arrogance that makes me bold, it's my love for the site as well as the wish to make it better. I am simply not a person who gives up easily, I'm quite stubborn when I've made up my mind, and your arguments are quite weak. Naturally, my nature suspects you've been told something of my past and are trying to make me seem even worse because you've never bothered to know my true character before making such an assertion. Seriously, If anyone doesn't have a right to say what they've said, it's you, for casting such a label without truly knowing me.

 

[Nick]

This arguing is kind of ridiculous. Why would you argue over something so ridiculous? :|

 

[Tyrantrum]

How do arguments that ridiculous even start in the first place? >___>

 

[Melody]

Why not argue? It's not as if this is a widely viewed forum with large potential for flame wars. (That being said, I think we're being quite civil about it, while it can get a bit personal at times, that's simply the nature of electronic communication lacking an effective and organic way to convey tone and expressions as well as other nuances of human behavior which signal the meaning behind words.)

Still, this topic is about how pointless it is that we have assigned these colors with genders and will not break this stereotype even though we're not in a frigging birth ward. >_>

Daw..come on Eeveon, you know my stubborn nature. xD

 

[Nick]

Why not argue? It's not as if this is a widely viewed forum with large potential for flame wars. (That being said, I think we're being quite civil about it, while it can get a bit personal at times, that's simply the nature of electronic communication lacking an effective and organic way to convey tone and expressions as well as other nuances of human behavior which signal the meaning behind words.)

Still, this topic is about how pointless it is that we have assigned these colors with genders and will not break this stereotype even though we're not in a frigging birth ward. >_>

Daw..come on Eeveon, you know my stubborn nature. xD

You can't seriously be asking that. That's even more ridiculous than the argument you were putting forward. Your arguing isn't going to do anything.

It's one thing to be stubborn, but this argument is just obnoxious.

 

[Melody]

Well you aren't a mod so...lol? There are certain things you can have input on and certain things you can't. Sorry, but that's just how it works here and it will continue whether you like it or not. For example, you have no input and never will on moderator/admin decision because you are not a mod nor an admin. Just accept this fact already and please stop acting like one, it's annoying.

If it's in the public domain, or within my sight in this forum, it does mean I have the right to offer my opinion. With that being said, my sheer stubbornness will indeed prevail against people who fail to present some reasonable sounding argument or reason for their opposition.

Do you honestly think that a mere chatroom is harder/more "challenging" to manage than an actual forum? I think this says something about your staffing experience there, but that's just me.

When you're dealing with people in REAL TIME it is indeed far more difficult than a forum, which doesn't necessarily require an immediate reply to something said. IRC has no 'quote' function nor does it store what is being said. If you're not there, you've missed the conversation unless you parked your client in the channel to log...and even if you did log a conversation, you can't simply bring the matter back up unless there are people there.

You need to be a staff member/have been a staff member on PC to know whats its like to staff on PC and know the stresses of being staff on PC. You're none of those, so stop thinking you have input on everything that goes on here.

Wrong, you don't need to be a staff member to know what it's like. I know quite a few of the staff members quite well, and they tend to share their experience as much as the rules allow. (Of course there are some things they can't discuss, but those topics are sealed for a good reason generally) That being said, when I said that I felt that it was a silly reason to say nay to an idea, I'm sure that Erica understood that I was not being merely argumentative, just fishing for more than what she said. (A reason that more than likely would make more logical sense) xD

Did I say that you need to be staff simply to offer opinion? No. It was your attitude that brought that up, because you think that adding a few usergroups is so easy because you've managed to do it before on a forum thats probably 3/4 or more of PC's size.

You just did in the last paragraph, essentially.

Um, to be honest, I think Erica's got the message through that it isn't going to happen. She posted an attachment of the admin control panel and the sheer amount of usergroups there are in it. What you don't realize is the fact that they would have to make round trips to the ACP and back for every supporter that didn't like their colored username/want a different color username etc.

I'm not arguing simply to push my idea through. Doing such is pointless, but I do like to give people who make snarky comments the "what for" making them regret being so snippy. XD

It's not that my arguments are weak, it's more like you fail to find any supporting evidence to back up your claims. If you dare ask me about my claims, I will simply say to ask any h-staff on PC(mainly admins) and they will say that its a heck of a lot more work than they need to do already.

Your arguments are weak because you're jumping to defend when you don't understand that I'm far less hostile than I might appear to be. My bark is often worse than my bite.

Honestly, this is ridiculous. You're being wordy over the fact that you're too proud of your supporter status and just want more perks. Just stop it already. Supporter status isn't about perks, its about helping the community with sever costs and such. If you don't realize this, then I guess you're one of the people who gives to this day supporters a bad name.

Far from it. I don't do this in order to seek any additional perks, I just like to give ideas a good chance to pass or fail instead of saying "No" all the time. It'd be much different if she had invoked past problems with different usergroups, but she did not bring up any part of PC's past in her reasoning. I figured she was simply opposing it because most of the other staff might have their own unspoken reasons for opposing it.

After this, I'm not even going to bother anymore. It's simple color changes and its just ridiculous to argue over. I guess your sheer stubbornness won this over, Pachy. Congrats.

And with that, this will be my closing parry as well. I always did enjoy a healthy sparring match. ;)

 

[Cherrim]

Look, I appreciate the sentiments, but the staff is not going to offer multiple colours for supporters. It's confusing, it's annoying, and if the colour is seriously that important, you're being shallow. :/ I understand plenty of people donate more for the colour than they do for the sake of helping PC but that colour is blue. Maybe it'll be changed sometime but asking us to increase the number of usergroups we have by 12 just to get a choice in colour, something no other usergroup has? No.

Honestly, my personal reason is that I already loathe dealing with usergroups, switching them around, having to scroll through them in a little drop-down box. It's a silly reason, yeah, but it's a reason nonetheless. Factor in that I've said no several times to the mod usergroup asking for the choice between two colours and I'm certainly not gonna say yes to supporters demanding three. (So part of it is that it's also just not fair to staff who donate their time/effort to PC--and sometimes even their money--that they don't get a choice and supporters do have that freedom.)

Plus it's like 2 extra checkboxes to hit when assigning secondary usergroups. ;_;

I think this post was ruder than intended. I don't mean for it to be that way if it comes across as it. :(

 

[Guillermo]

I think if people don't like their supporter colour then they should just be able to go back to the standard non-italic, non-blue username. Some people can, but others like myself can't. Supporters donate knowing what their username is going to look like. If you donated before it was changed to this colour and you liked the purple or whatever you had before then, then why the hell are you bringing it up now? It's been like this for well over a year.

 

[Ineffable~]

@_@;
I thought this was a thread about gender roles, not supporter colours...

GAY SUPPORTERS SHOULD HAVE RAINBOW NAMES. @D@

Oh, but . . . I have guy friends that like pink and purple. D:

 

[s0nido]

We're tried having pink usernames. It didn't work. XD

 

[Tater Tot]

^When did we try having pink usernames? o___O

 

[Ho-Oh]

Uhh, not officially.

Erica changed some of our usernames to pink in... August 09, I think. Which is what I think that poster means. Either that, or the SlowPokeCommunity thing... but even still, other supporters were still blue, though I had another shade of pink in my username.

I know bgt also used pink once, too. Buuut... other than discussions, hasn't been tested.