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Pokemon Discussion (Current Subject: Aerodactyl)

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Before I give my two cents, I thougt it was an update every Wednsday?
 
You boost Yama's defenses for the same reason you boost Wobby's. Or Vappy's Def. Or Snorlax's Def. Or how if you are putting any EVs into Bliss's SAttk you should take them out of HP. Normally, you would max HP before defenses. This is not the case with high HP/low defensive stat Pokemon.
 
HP improves all 3 if you think about it. A higher HP, the more it can be hit. Even if you increase the defenses, they won't be increased as greatly as HP, therefore you would be taking away from Hariyama's overall ability to absorb hits.

~T_S
 
High HP means little without good defenses. Why do you think standard Wobby is 252/252 Def/SDef? It has great HP and bad defenses.

If I could find that applet that was made I'd show you that.

EDIT: Stupid Smogon not having a working search function.

Anyways, a Hariyama with max HP and no SDef took a little more damage from Specs Starmie Surf, among other things, than one with just 128 SDef, meaning 252 Attk/128 Def/128 SDef Adamant is a better spread than 252 HP/252 Attk/4 ?? Adamant.
 
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Cressy can wall and throw a reflect and psychic at him.

Poisons can resist if yama does not have eq

Mesprit and uxie fare well agong with azelf at an extent.

Deoxes-S Does a number if it has psychic.

Dusknoir needs to be wary of guts because of thunder punch or WOW.

Spiritomb is not effected by stab'd Close combats and cross chops. And teases with stab'd sucker punches.

Any psychic sweeper with psychic is a good counter.

Gliscor resists stab CC but needs to be wary of the occasional ice punch.
 
How would poisons wall him? As long as he's carrying Facade that is. ;)

Gengar is a big wall for him. Dual Poison and Ghost, so Bullet Punch hardly hurts Gar, and nothing else he has effects Gengar.
 
Ooka said:
How would poisons wall him? As long as he's carrying Facade that is. ;)

Gengar is a big wall for him. Dual Poison and Ghost, so Bullet Punch hardly hurts Gar, and nothing else he has effects Gengar.
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Good point. What I meant were physical poison walls or poison types who stand good against the fighting attacks.
 
The only one that comes to my mind is Dorapion, which dies pretty easily from Close Combat after the Guts boost.
 
Muk too. Along with the nidos and weezing.
 
Well, Nidoking isn't really a wall, and Nidoqueen would die to Facade. Weezing is probably all you would have to worry about, unless the Muk had gotten in some Curses.
 
No you

Nidos wall Hariyama.

He has Payback for Ghosts btw.

Facade is a really bad option on him, epscially if it's only to beat the Nidos. And it is.
 
Um, no, it isn't.....

I use a Hariyama, and believe me, Facade gets used against a lot of Pokemon, epecially when I want to avoid a Defense/Sp Def drop.
 
Facade is there for a lot of pokemon. Maybe Specsmence could ring a bell? It resists CC, but not Facade as much. I'm not saying OHKO, but it's close. Stone Edge is there for the situation too, but Facade's still safer, and Bullet Punch to remove the last bit of HP if it remains in.
 
sims796 said:
Before I give my two cents, I thought it was an update every Wednsday?
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I decided to change it, seeing as a week seems like a great deal of time to wait. I'm not rushing it though. The Golem discussion was pretty much done, and I wanted to move onto a Pokemon who would incite more conversation, like the versatile Hariyama.

I like this discussion guys. Just don't let it devolve into senseless squabbling. Thanks everyone for participating in this thread.
 
Stone Edge does get Specsmence and Gyarados and Yanmega and Dragonite and Zapdos and pretty much everything CC won't touch.

Facade is kinda pointless unless you're an accuracy freak, and it's weaker than a SE Stone Edge.

On a moveset of Close Combat/Bullet Punch/Payback/Filler, I'd pick Stone Edge over Facade any day.

EDIT: Especially if Facade is 'close' to a OHKO on Mence like you said. 'Close' isn't enough to get rid of it.
 
Yes, bullet punch gets rid of focus sashers and that's right. However, facade only has a possibility with burn orb/ toxic orb.
 
Well, I like my set, and you like yours. But I know very well that there are more Pokemon that die to Facade then there are that die to Stone Edge.
 
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Stone Edge does get Specsmence and Gyarados and Yanmega and Dragonite and Zapdos and pretty much everything CC won't touch.

Facade is kinda pointless unless you're an accuracy freak, and it's weaker than a SE Stone Edge.

On a moveset of Close Combat/Bullet Punch/Payback/Filler, I'd pick Stone Edge over Facade any day.

EDIT: Especially if Facade is 'close' to a OHKO on Mence like you said. 'Close' isn't enough to get rid of it.
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I guess you could always run Ice Punch or Thunderpunch to hit specific stuff such as Salamence and Gyarados as they will do more to each one respectively. Stone Edge hits both though and has better coverage and stuff.

Facade is only really good on the choice band set and if you switch it into a status, thats the only time is can actually 2hko weezing.
 
Ooka said:
Well, I like my set, and you like yours. But I know very well that there are more Pokemon that die to Facade then there are that die to Stone Edge.
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Name some then. Ones that won't be taken care of better by Stone Edge/Close Combat/Bullet Punch/Payback.
 
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