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Pokemon Platinum Competitive Discussion - Alternate Forms + Move Tutors

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Please, nothing has been confirmed. They say it's official, but it has only been like, a month that the game is out. Before we jump to conclusions, at least wait until in comes out in America.
 
If Origiratina was holding the Platinum Orb (no good item? I told you it would suck!) and something used Knock Off or Trick on it, what would happen?
 
I wonder why it lacks Leaf Blade.
 
sims796 said:
I wonder why it lacks Leaf Blade.
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A high crit ratio move on a poke with Serene Grace ? T_T Get out of my forum lol


Even if Skymin may or may not be usable, specs regular shaymin looks really appealing anyway.

Shaymin@Choice Specs
Modest Nature
252 SPEED / 252 SPEED / 6 HP
- Earth Power
- Seed Flare
- Hidden power Fire
- Psychic / Grass Knot
 
Skymin=Simon

If it is usable, it should be able to outspeed base 120[5] pokes, right?
 
Yes, it has a 127 base.

Skymin (and I assume the other formes) is usable in local link battles and will be implemented on Shoddy.

Platinum Orb requirement sucks, but I guess you can still use it.
 
Oh great. Not this thread too. I thought I didn't have to deal with this here, like in that other thread full of idiots.

I don't see why everyone is claiming this as a fact. to say this one last time, as I am tired of saying this.

WE DO NOT KNOW AS A FACT WHATWILL HAPPEN WHEN PLATINUM GETS RELEASED IN THE U.S. AT THE VERY LEAST, WE SHOULD WAIT UNTIL THAT ISOUT BEFORE WE CAN JUDGE SHAYMIN & OTHER FORMES INCOMPATABLE WITH WIFI. WE HAVE NO CLUE WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN THE NEAR FUTURE.


I am not saying that they will change it to make Shaymin & forms wifi compatable, but I am saying that it is far too early to say it isn't as a fact. Wecan all wait and see by the time it is released in the US what unfolds.
 
DA, i don't think critical hits are involved as added effects. it is an entirely different entity in the data breakdown. so even if it had leaf blade, i don't think it would double the high crit rate. that being said, seed flare w/ serene grace is ultimately better anyway. even bronzong/skarm won't manage to refrain from getting their sp def doubly reduced on the switch then be finished off with a series of air slashes.
 
I thought Steel resisted Flying? Doesn't matter, as Flinchmin handles them.

Oh, and Mud Slap could be fun to abuse as well.
 
Mobile Tsk said:
I think Azelf could run a Life Orb set now.

Azelf @ Life Orb
Jolly Nature ; 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Ice Punch
Zen Headbutt
Toxic
Thunderpunch/Fire Punch

Or even a Scarf/Band set

Azelf @ Choice Scarf/Band
Jolly/Adamant Nature ; 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Ice Punch
Zen Headbutt
Thunderpunch/Fire Punch
Toxic/Fire Punch
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(Woot Toxic on choice users !!)

(Hey i do that >=[)

The second set is cool, ive been testing it somewhat and came up with and narrowed it down to this one

Azelf@Choice Band
Jolly Nature
42 hp / 252 att / 216 speed
- Fire Punch
- U-Turn / Thunderpunch
- Zen Headbutt
- Explosion / Ice Punch

I love the idea of CB U-Turns to spank around Tyranitar, although bulky waters may be problematic, which is a case for t-punch. Fire Punch is pretty much obligatory for steel types. Last slot should be up to preference Ice Punch for Uber Mence and what not and CB Explosion from base 125 att, need i say more ?

I also had a crazy idea of adding Hidden power Ground in that last slot for Heatran, but i thought it might not be worth it.

Shame, i dont see trick being too useful on the dude. Although it gets Knock off which could make for some great suicide lead set=).

Speaking of elves with Knock off and Trick, Uxie and Mesprit get it too which could be cool.

Samson said:
DA, i don't think critical hits are involved as added effects. it is an entirely different entity in the data breakdown. so even if it had leaf blade, i don't think it would double the high crit rate. that being said, seed flare w/ serene grace is ultimately better anyway. even bronzong/skarm won't manage to refrain from getting their sp def doubly reduced on the switch then be finished off with a series of air slashes.
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Thank goodness, because if it did get Leaf Blade and the high crit was taken into account, i would complain even more about it =p.
 
zen headbutt should do enough damage to the bulky waters that can take u-turn.

i like cb azelf a lot more than np =)
 
It doesn't matter. SD Vileplume will beat down Azelf & take his lunch money.

Vileplume@Life Orb
Nature:Adamant
Seed Bomb
Drain Pawnch
Double Edge/Sleep Powdah
Swords Dance
EV:Max Atk & Max Spd

A GAWD IN TEH SUN.
 
drain punch would be hilarious to use on a blissey. just once and i'd be satisfied for a lifetime. well maybe just a day, but you get what i mean =/
 
Actually, a Swords Dance Drain Punch that gets a Critical Hit would be just Golden...
 
Apostle said:
Isn't Seed Bomb a decent Physical Grass STAB?
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lol, I obviously need to check more on my own postings in fututre. :x

EDIT:

Skymin@Life Orb
Adamant/Jolly
4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Serene Grace

Swords Dance
Seed Bomb
Air Cutter
Zen Headbutt/Return

Skymin@Choice Band
Adamant
4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Serene Grace

Swords Dance
Seed Bomb
Air Cutter
Return

Skymin@Life Orb/Choice Specs
Timid/Modest
4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Serene Grace

Seed Flare
Air Slash
Earth Power
Hidden Power Fire

_________

Another Forme Giratina:

Giratina@Leftovers
Impish
EV's: ???

Spite
Substitute
Dragon Claw/Pulse
Will-o-Wisp/Rest
 
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Swords Dance on a CB set? I don't like that. Also, can Sky form NOT get Aerial Ace? That's a shame...Ah well, try this on for size.

Skymin@Life Orb
Jolly/Hasty
252atk/236spd/20HP

Swords Dance
Seed Bomb
Return
Hidden Power Fire

Only fully resisted by Heatran. Earth Power makes you walled by Skarm, Bronzong and Shedinja.

This is the best you can get from an SD set from Skymin IMO. There's also...

Skymin@Leftovers
Timid
252speed/252sp.atk/6def

Substitute
Leech Seed
Seed Flare
Air Slash/Hidden Power Fire

Subseeding Skymin is the quickest in the game. Explanation not needed.
 
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ABYAY said:
Swords Dance on a CB set? I don't like that. Also, can Sky form NOT get Aerial Ace? That's a shame...Ah well, try this on for size.

Skymin@Life Orb
Jolly/Hasty
252atk/236spd/20HP

Swords Dance
Seed Bomb
Return
Hidden Power Fire

Only fully resisted by Heatran. Earth Power makes you walled by Skarm, Bronzong and Shedinja.

This is the best you can get from an SD set from Skymin IMO. There's also...

Skymin@Leftovers
Timid
252speed/252sp.atk/6def

Substitute
Leech Seed
Seed Flare
Air Slash/Hidden Power Fire

Subseeding Skymin is the quickest in the game. Explanation not needed.
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Sorry, I was in a hurry to type them down and in my haste...well.
 
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