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Let's see. I was playing Shoddy and a Deoxys (Speed) appeared. I don't know why is this. I still see it as an Uber. Opinions?
 
Shiny Umbreon said:
Let's see. I was playing Shoddy and a Deoxys (Speed) appeared. I don't know why is this. I still see it as an Uber. Opinions?
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Yeah Deoxys E (Speed Form) has apparently become unbanned as there is nothing "uber" about its stats. They fail to be even base 100 apart from speed.


A couple of threads on Smogon saying its allowed now in tournaments and on shoddy etc and has moved tier to OU.

Its Base stats

HP - 50

ATT - 95

DEF - 90

SP.ATT - 95

SP.DEF- 90

Speed - 180

its base stats are nice, but not ZOMFG UBERZORZ !!!! (apart from speed :p)

I would post links, but its not allowed :p
 
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As I've seen in a quite a few OU battles where Deoxys-S being used against me. Shouldnt the list be updated then. What's the point in me having my scarf-Z and scarfcross anymore? Completely useless against deoxys-S. Better off carrying extra counters. I'm forced in using my spirtomb and cress more often that I'd normally use them because of Deoxys-S. =/ Anyways ... Isn't Deoxys-S still being tested or is it really official ?

If it is ... * I better start searching for a Deoxys*

Dark_Azelf said:
Yeah Deoxys E (Speed Form) has apparently become unbanned as there is nothing "uber" about its stats. They fail to be even base 100 apart from speed.


A couple of threads on Smogon saying its allowed now in tournaments and on shoddy etc and has moved tier to OU.

Its Base stats

HP - 50

ATT - 95

DEF - 90

SP.ATT - 95

SP.DEF- 90

Speed - 180

its base stats are nice, but not ZOMFG UBERZORZ !!!! (apart from speed :p)

I would post links, but its not allowed :p
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Well... IMO Deoxys-S will change the OU metagame a bit, it's not a wall breaker, it will just raise a usage for a few pokemon and decrease some. It will be the best revenge killer ever. It'll be a good late sweeper once all its counters have gone, that's the only problem I fear, that it will be an awesome late good sweeper and people will struggle to cope with that. Spirtomb is one the best counters for Deoxys-S.

Oh Dark_Azelf, apart from speed being uber-ish, it has an insane movepool. =P

EDIT: Sorry Ooka I didn't read your post that you won't be editing this thread anymore.
 
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Go ahead and move Deoxys-Speed down to OU. Who cares if it's extremely fast? Someone tried the stall version against me just now, and I downed it rather easily to be honest. I faced another in sweeper form earlier... same result ^^

Had the Deoxys been defense form if allowed... that would've been a problem.

We should just have the Pokecommunity Tier list on what's allowed and what isn't (Uber - OU) and such. I mean, some of us see some glaring problems with other tier lists, such as Luxray and such.
 
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Ooka said:
I say our own for that specific pokemon. And I think we all agreee on OU do we not?
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No.

I'm not disagreeing just because it's a Legendary, though, but because of the stats & movepool. For starters, I don't think that ANY non-Uber Pokemon should be able to go over 500 (or even 450) in a single stat. In fact, the only current OU that comes to mind as being able to do that is Blissey, and that's because of the infamously-abyssmal DEF. As for the ATT & DEF stats, yes they aren't spectacular, but they aren't too bad, either. Deoxys can still take hits better than Infernape & Starmie as well as generally dish out damage just as well as the latter stat-wise (if not better).

As for the movepool...well, Dark_Azelf already pointed out one dangerous combo in Strategies/Movesets, but there's also all of the moves the other forms learn that have to go into consideration. Including the moves it learns in Defense & Attack form...that's actually a reasonable movepool, at least more than you would get on a usual Pokemon. There's still the moves from the earlier generation, like Seismic Toss & the elemental punches...

With the right set-up, it can become a deadly sweeper far too easily...
 
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Nvm about my opinion, I wasn't thinking >_>
 
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celestial_okami said:
Smogon places Arbok, Probopass, and Mantine at UU, not BL.

Although admittedly the Smogon tier list combines UU and NU, with so few people playing NU (read: none?) it probably isn't an issue.
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Lol, by seeing this, I bet Smogon has enough reputation to make everyone believe Arceus is OU, the morons ._.

So.. give me a position Arbok can fill even on UU, a sweeper? a Wall? a cleric? no, it's a FREAKING CRAP! I dont' trust Smogon at all, I obviously think they're taking advatnage of their reputation.
 
Ooka said:
Actually, I think it could fill the sweeper position. I've seen it 3HKO a Tangrowth with Gunk Shot and a Life Orb. Hit it on the switch in, Tangrowth Leech Seeded, it hit again, and then it hit for the last turn, removing a threat of Physical walling.
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No way, surely not. A 350 Atk Gyara with a DD and using Ice Fang doesn't even 3HKO with Leftovers, so how in the hell can Arbok?

~T_S
 
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