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randomspot555 said:Before I proceed, I don't see how 7am slots are bad. Networks give death slots (on network television, that's usually prime time 7pm-10pm on Friday) in an effort to get declining ratings so they can cancel a show.
But 7am for a show aimed at hyperactive little kids hopped up on ADD meds and sugary cereal? I had NO trouble getting up that early. My parents hated me for it. You put on a kids show too late in the day, then you risk airing it when many are doing extracurricular activites or during family time.
I could be wrong, but 7-8am slots doesn't seem too bad, or at least not a death slot, for a show aimed at kids.
jasonresno said:And as far as 7AM being a deathslot...not for their target audience. I remember back when I was younger waking up at the crack of dawn to catch Saturday cartoons and the same on the school days.
It's a death slot these days. All cartoons from Disney, Cartoon Network, Nickelodeon, Disney XD (It's in far fewer homes though), and the CW4Kids air in those time slots are the lowest rated programming on their blocks. Especially true in Pokémon's case. Before the move to 7AM EST (The last three updates before), the next two updates after it moved, and the last two ratings reports:
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10-10-09
CARTOON NETWORK 1.7/9Avg. (7a-1p)
Chaotic 1.2/11; Bakugan 1.7/11; The Super Hero Squad Show 1.7/9; Pokemon: Diamond and Pearl Galactic Battle 2.3/10; Hot Wheels: Battle Force 1.9/8; Batman: Brave & The Bold 1.8/7; Star Wars: Clone Wars 1.8/8; Ben 10: Alien Force 2.2/10; Yu-Gi-Oh 5Ds 1.2/6; Johnny Test 1.9/9; Johnny Test 1.8/8
10-17-09
CARTOON NETWORK 1.4/7Avg. (7a-1p)
Secret Saturdays 0.9/12; Chaotic 0.9/9; Bakugan 1.3/8; The Super Hero Squad Show 1.4/7; Pokemon Diamond and Pearl Galactic Battle 1.9/8; Hot Wheels: Battle Force 1.5/6; Batman: Brave & The Bold 1.8/7; Star Wars: Clone Wars 1.7/7; Ben 10: Alien Force 1.7/7; Yu-Gi-Oh 5Ds 1.1/5; Johnny Test 1.3/6; Johnny Test 1.2/6
10-24-09
CARTOON NETWORK 1.7/8Avg. (7a-1p)
Secret Saturdays 1.0/12; Chaotic 1.2/10; Bakugan 2.0/12; The Super Hero Squad Show 2.0/10; Pokemon: Diamond and Pearl Galactic Battle 2.5/11; Hot Wheels: Battle Force 1.8/7; Batman: Brave & The Bold 2.1/9; Star Wars: Clone Wars 1.9/7; Ben 10: Alien Force 2.1/9; Yu-Gi-Oh! 5Ds 1.0/4; Johnny Test 1.3/6; Johnny Test 1.8/9
10-31-09
CARTOON NETWORK 2.0/10Avg. (7a-1p)
Secret Saturdays 0.8/8; Chaotic 0.8/6; Bakugan 1.8/11; The Super Hero Squad Show 2.0/10; Pokemon: Diamond and Pearl Galactic Battle 2.4/10; Hot Wheels: Battle Force 2.1/8; Yu-Gi-Oh 5Ds 1.5/6; Bugs Bunny Howl-O-Ween 1.7/7; Ed, Edd N Eddy 2.2/9; Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy (60-minutes) 2.8/12; Scary Godmother: Halloween Special (60-minutes) 2.9/14
11-7-09
CARTOON NETWORK 1.6/7Avg. (7a-1p)
Pokemon: Diamond and Pearl Galactic Battle 1.0/9; Yu-Gi-Oh! 5Ds 1.3/8; Ben 10: Alien Force 1.9/10; Star Wars: Clone Wars 1.7/8; Hot Wheels: Battle Force 2.0/8; Flapjack 1.5/5; Flapjack 1.2/5; Chowder 1.5/6; Chowder 1.6/8; Johnny Test 1.9/9; Ed, Edd N Eddy 1.7/9; Ed, Edd N Eddy 1.6/9
11-14-09
CARTOON NETWORK 2.2/10Avg. (7a-1p)
Pokemon: Diamond and Pearl Galactic Battle 1.2/11; Yu-Gi-Oh! 5Ds 1.4/9; Ben 10: Alien Force 2.7/14; Star Wars: Clone Wars 2.4/11; Hot Wheels: Battle Force 2.2/10; Johnny Test 2.9/11; Flapjack 2.3/9; Flapjack 2.8/12; Chowder 2.5/11; Chowder 1.8/8; Garfield Show 1.9/9; Garfield Show 2.1/10
1-23-10
CARTOON NETWORK 2.0/10Avg. (7a-1p)
Pokemon: Diamond and Pearl: Galactic Battle 1.1/12; Yu-Gi-Oh 5Ds 1.1/9; Ben 10: Alien Force 1.6/10; Star Wars: Clone Wars 1.8/10; Hot Wheels: Battle Force 2.2/10; Johnny Test 2.5/11; Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy 2.2/9; Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy 2.0/8; Chowder 2.3/10; Chowder 2.6/11; Garfield Show 2.1/9; Garfield Show 2.2/10
2-1-10
CARTOON NETWORK 2.1/10 Avg. (7a-1p)
Pokemon: Diamond and Pearl: Galactic Battle 1.1/11; Yu-Gi-Oh 5Ds 1.2/9; Ben 10: Alien Force 1.9/11; Star Wars: Clone Wars 2.1/10; Hot Wheels: Battle Force 2.2/10; Johnny Test 2.6/11; Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy 2.2/9; Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy 2.2/9; Chowder 2.6/11; Chowder 2.6/11; Garfield Show 2.2/10; Garfield Show 2.1/10
Nickelodeon, Disney XD, and Disney just for good measure and if you're interested:
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2-1-10
NICKELODEON 5.6/27 Avg. (7a-1p)
All Grown Up 1.9/19; Jimmy Neutron 3.0/22; Fairly OddParents 4.3/25; Fairly OddParents 5.6/27; SpongeBob SquarePants 7.3/33; SpongeBob SquarePants 8.1/34; Penguins of Madagascar 7.7/31; Fanboy & Chum Chum 6.6/26; Back at the Barnyard 5.8/24; Fairly OddParents 5.2/21; iCarly 6.4/28; Big Time Rush 5.5/25
DISNEY CHANNEL 1.9/9Avg. (7a-1p)
My Friends Tigger & Pooh 1.3/13; Chuggington 1.8/13; Special Agent Oso 1.6/9; Handy Manny 1.7/8; Mickey Mouse Clubhouse 1.7/8; Mickey Mouse Clubhouse 1.7/7; Imagination Movers 1.7/7; Handy many 1.5/6; Phineas and Ferb 2.6/11; Phineas and Ferb 3.0/12; Get A Clue (1x95) 2.2/10
DISNEY XD 0.6/3Avg. (7a-1p)
Suite Life of Zack & Cody 0.4/4; I'm In The Band 0.6/5; Phineas and Ferb 0.9/5; Kid vs. Kat 0.7/4; Jimmy Two Shoes 0.8/3; Kid vs. Kat 0.7/3; Jimmy Two Shoes 0.5/2; Kid vs. Kat 0.8/3; Jimmy Two Shoes 0.7/3; Kid vs. Kat 0.6/3; Jimmy Two Shoes 0.5/2; Kid vs. Kat 0.5/2
As well as 2 members of local "power" force 4:
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CW (TheCW4Kids) 0.9/4 Avg. (7a-12p)
Winx Club 0.2/2; Winx Club 0.5/4; Dinosaur King 0.6/3; Dinosaur King 0.8/4; Yu-Gi-Oh 0.8/4; Yu-Gi-Oh 1.1/5; Sonic X 1.3/5; Sonic X 1.2/5; Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 1.1/4; Chaotic 1.0/4
CBS (CookieJarTV) 0.4/2 Avg. (7-10a/10a-12p)
Busytown Mysteries 0.4/4; Noonbory and the Super 7 0.4/3; Busytown Mysteries 0.4/2; Busytown Mysteries 0.4/2; Noonbory and the Super 7 0.4/2; Sabrina: Animated Series 0.6/2
How Nielsen ratings are determined.. Run through the tabs.
Or:
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People Meter
The People Meter is an electronic metering system placed in randomly selected households – 5,000 households for nationwide audience measurement. The meter measures three things – the tuning station of the TV set (on, off, time), what channel/station is being tuned, and who is watching. The People Meter is used to produce household and persons audience estimates for broadcast and cable networks and nationally distributed barter-syndicated programs.
Who is watching television is measured by the "People" part of the meter. A fixed box is placed on or near the television, and each member of the household is assigned a personal viewing button (often, a remote clicker is also personalized). These personal buttons, allow Nielsen Media Research to determine "who" is watching which program.
Set-Tuning Meter
In 49 of the nation's largest markets, an electronic metering system is
used by Nielsen Media Research to provide set-tuning information on a daily basis. The TV-set-tuning information is collected from a sample of homes in these 49 markets (separate than the People Meter), and overnight household tuning ratings are reported on a daily basis for these local areas. This meter is placed onto the back of each television set in the home and monitors the tuning status of each TV set in the household.
used by Nielsen Media Research to provide set-tuning information on a daily basis. The TV-set-tuning information is collected from a sample of homes in these 49 markets (separate than the People Meter), and overnight household tuning ratings are reported on a daily basis for these local areas. This meter is placed onto the back of each television set in the home and monitors the tuning status of each TV set in the household.
Diary
Diary measurement is used to collect viewing information from sample homes in every television market in the United States. Each year we process approximately 1.6 million paper diaries from households across the country for the "sweeps" ratings periods. The standard report months – the "sweep" months – include November, February, May and July of each year.
Diary measurement is used to collect viewing information from sample homes in every television market in the United States. Each year we process approximately 1.6 million paper diaries from households across the country for the "sweeps" ratings periods. The standard report months – the "sweep" months – include November, February, May and July of each year.
The paper-viewing diaries are mailed out to randomly selected households in all 210 local markets in the U.S. Each household's member in the diary sample is asked to write down what programs and channels they watch over the course of that one week.
In short, Saturday morning cartoons aren't what they used to be these days.
Johto averaged around 5's, the top number, throughout it's run. What does that mean?
Really? Why do you say that? Advertisers seem happy relying on their numbers. And with the upgrade to installed boxes rather than using hand-written notebooks, it's easier to track them now more than ever.
I believe that it's a flawed system since it takes a certain amount of people and tries to generalize it for an entire group. And yeah advertisers like the system, I know. I'd go into depth more but this post is getting too long for my enjoyment.
Anyway, if anyone is interested for the ratings for Pokémon in Fall '05 and Fall '06, you can check out these threads '05 and '06. You really can't go much earlier than that ratings-wise unless you really look.
Now:
Semidos said:Speak for yourself! Actually for me and other my friends Johto was the best, because of fun, humor, good storyline and less commercial stuff like stupid Pokeathlon, Rangers or unnecessary Johto Festival in DP saga. Just because you hate Johto, doesn't mean that everyone thinks the same.
Good storyline? It's a drawn out version of Kanto with less humor. It's Hoenn and Sinnoh but only with Ash doing a token quest while the other two didn't. Or:
NoRealName said:Must have missed those parts.
Just because you and your friends love Johto, doesn't mean that everyone thinks the same..
That. From a writing standpoint, like most of the show, it was terrible. Really, there's a reason a lot of people stopped wtching during and after Johto, y'know? Most of them aren't boycotting it either by the way.
The Mega Champion said:^^^YES.
THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
CN=dead to me either way.
So... yeah...
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Well, [adult swim] is starting an hour earlier in 2011 so yeah.
Anyway, if I made any mistakes on this, fuck it. It's too long for me to read through.
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