Pokemon's ratings go up. Somehow.

[weedle_mchairybug]

Promoting the games have always been the number one priority for the show. This became quite evident at the beginning of Johto.

You said "always" right? From what I know of that word, "always" implies that there hasn't been a single case where they haven't done this, that it has happened absolutely 100% of the time and can't not be done. Kanto and the Orange Islands in itself has proven that it wasn't always that. Johto and Hoenn also haven't really done that much of a good job of promoting the games (They'd have to emulate the plotline to be almost exactly like the Games in order for them to be completely promoting them like a commercial. The closest the series has ever gotten to actually acting like a commercial was Sinnoh, seeing how it's plotline is an almost carbon copy.). Besides, I think Semidos's point wasn't that they should promote HGSS stuff period, but that they should try and end Sinnoh sooner and THEN do the Filler region to do the promoting.

 

[The Mega Champion]

What?

You didn't click my link... did you?

Um... it's nothing... it doesn't matter anyway. It's not important. Really. It's not.

^_^'

*walks away, whistling innocently*

 

[Semidos]

Besides, I think Semidos's point wasn't that they should promote HGSS stuff period, but that they should try and end Sinnoh sooner and THEN do the Filler region to do the promoting.

Right. Promoting? No problem. But do it in good style (frankly, HGSS promoting was idiotic).

I'm not going to try anymore.

Eh. Don't try to make wiseacre with yourself.

 

[bmah]

Who's bitching? That's what the posters in this forum are like. I'm no exception. Never said I was either since anyone who regulary posts here know that I fit some of the things I listed.

So protip: Know what you're talking about before you say something.

protip: you're not above the law, no exceptions, doesn't matter if "everyone does it" nor does it matter if you have over 3k posts

Debate is clearly not going along a clear path - just degrading at this point.

 

[randomspot555]

protip: you're not above the law, no exceptions, doesn't matter if "everyone does it" nor does it matter if you have over 3k posts

The post you quoted clearly states that Jonah doesn't think he/she is above the law.

 

[bmah]

Absolutely not. All it does is implies that censor bypassing is more or less acceptable because it's what "posters in this forum are like". There's no need to go on with the semantics - all I'm asking is to make this thread a more enjoyable read. I'm not any mod, but I'm just making a request for a less toxic atmosphere. If that is fine with you.

 

[CliveKoopa]

Please explain to me why Johto, the greatest region of all time, had a total of one evolution on Ash's team?

In the big six on six battle between Gary and Ash, he only used two Pokemon from Johto, the greatest region of all time. One of them even performed really poorly, Bayleef, the only one given any sort of interesting personality. Explain.

The three starters from the greatest Pokemon region of all time never learned any of their signature attacks that are typical of starter Pokemon. Explain.

Who cares if Johto only had one evolution? A Pokemon is a Pokemon whether it evolves or not. I couldn't care less who evolves or who doesn't evolve.

So what if he only he used two pokemon from Johto in the battle against Gary. Who cares what region a Pokemon comes from. A Pokemon is a Pokemon.

So what if they never learnt their signature moves. Different pokemon will have different moves and even so, they might have learnt them off-screen but just not been shown to use them. Why is all this important?

Characters development, or learning moves aren't necessary to make good show. More important is fun and interesting storyline. I just watch pokemon to have fun, but it isn't funny anymore.

Precisely. Neither are gym battles important although I do have to disagree with you on character development. Character development is far more important than gym battles and captures in the anime storyline.

Why can't you accept that? Do you expect the anime to ignore HG/SS' release? Do you not understand that the anime serves to promote the games?

The week of Platinum's release in Japan, Zapdos appeared in the anime episode. And Zapdos can be captured in Platinum.

The entire reason the Battle Frontier arc was in Kanto was so they could simultaneously promote the Kanto re-makes of FR/LG and the additions Emerald.

And your point is? I couldn't care less if the anime ignored HG/SS. I don't care if the anime's main purpose is to promote the games. I watch it because I enjoy it, not because of the games. Although I do like the games, the anime is the most active aspect I care about.

 

[Okami Chi]

Welcome to PokéCommunity's Pokémon Animé forum, a.k.a. the worst forum on this board: the forum where trolls, censor bypassers, ignorants, retards, one-timers, innocents, 25-character passers, 3-worders, boycotters, Serious Business-ers, fools, Unpleaseable Fanbase, sailors, They Changed It Now It Sucks-ers, It's The Same Now It Sucks-ers, nostalgia, shippers, double-triple-etc posters, and sarcastic bastards, among other things, post and argue.

In all seriousness, this is the only way discussion is actually generated on this forum. Enjoy your stay and don't feed what you don't want following you home.

Thinking you where forgetting something, but that about covers all of it. With that said, I think having this show crazy early in the morning is mad. I have a job and such. Guess I'm going to Youtube. Sorry guys.

 

[weedle_mchairybug]

Who cares if Johto only had one evolution? A Pokemon is a Pokemon whether it evolves or not. I couldn't care less who evolves or who doesn't evolve.

So what if he only he used two pokemon from Johto in the battle against Gary. Who cares what region a Pokemon comes from. A Pokemon is a Pokemon.

So what if they never learnt their signature moves. Different pokemon will have different moves and even so, they might have learnt them off-screen but just not been shown to use them. Why is all this important?

I agree completely with what you said. I'd rather that something have less action (or in this case, evolutions) and yet have a very good story made up by itself than have something that has action written all over it, evolutions written all over it, among other things, and yet is very poorly written and the plotline is almost exactly the same as the games even down to the pokemon lineup of GLs. Should I really remind you guys of an example of what happens if something is 100% action with completely crap writing? I'll show it to you, even if it is from something like "The Simpsons." It's the episode Beyond Blunderdome:

% That next day, Mel and Homer prepare to show the new, improved "Mr.
% Smith Goes to Washington." As it begins, Gibson, as Mr. Smith, is
% nearing the end of his filibuster speech.

Gibson: Well, I'm not licked. I'm going to stay here and fight for
this lost cause. Somebody will listen to me. Somebody will
... [collapses on the floor[
Payne: I believe the Senator has yielded the floor.
Gibson: [wakes up] Yield this, Senator Payne.
[throws an American flag like a javelin, striking Payne. He
falls on his desk, the flagpole now standing upright]
-- "Beyond Blunderdome"

% Gibson grabs two other senators and slams their heads inside two
% desks.

Gibson: I move, we impose some serious term limits.
Homer: [from the press gallery] I second that motion. [holds up a
rifle] With a vengeance! [tosses rifle to Gibson]
-- Why didn't Jimmy Stewart think of this? "Beyond Blunderdome"

% Catching the rifle, Gibson jumps up on a table and quips, "All in
% favor, say die." Then, spinning around on a table like Curly, the
% guns down most of the senators. The Senate leader complains that
% Gibson's actions are "highly unorthodox," and pounds a gavel. Gibson
% throws a fire extinguisher under the gavel, and when the leader hits
% it, it explodes. The explosion fills the building with smoke, and
% sends the statue on top of the Capitol Dome into the river.
%
% Just then, an aristocratic man storms in and identifies himself as
% the President of the United States. He demands to know what all the
% commotion is about. Gibson rips the National Seal down from the wall,
% and tosses it at the President, slicing off his head. The head lands
% at Gibson's feet. He picks it up and grimly says, "Happy birthday,
% Mr. President." A crowd of happy schoolchildren bursts in and carries
% Gibson off, cheering. Gibson takes his badge, and throws it into the
% dead Payne's hand. Payne's hand clutches it, and then relaxes. The
% lettering on the badge is changed to, "The End."
%
% The lights come up in the screening room.

Gibson: Pretty cool, huh?
Christian: You, uh, you chopped off the President's head.
Gibson: Bet you didn't see that coming.
Hannah: You impaled a United States Senator with the American
flag.
Milo: Why did Mr. Smith kill everybody?
Homer: It was symbolism. He was mad.
Christian: But this was going to be the studio's prestige picture,
like "Howard's End" or "Sophie's Choice."
Homer: Ugh. Those movies sucked. I only saw them to get Marge
into the sack. [sotto voce] P. S.: Mission
accomplished. [high-fives Gibson]
Christian: But we already bought five Golden Globe awards.
Gibson: I don't make movies to win awards. [holds up two Oscar
statuettes; speaks in sotto voce] Especially now that I
have two Oscars. [normal voice] I make movies for guys
like him.
Homer: Yeah, guys like me.
Christian: Who are you, anyway?
Homer: Do the words Executive Producer mean anything to you?
Gibson: Executive Producer?
Homer: We'll talk.
Christian: [takes film off the projector] You desecrated a classic
film. This is worse than "Godfather III."
Gibson: Whoa, whoa, hey, whoa! Let's not say things we can't
take back.
Christian: All right, all right, I'm sorry. But this film is never
going to see the light of day. [takes a lighter to the
film, intending to set it aflame]
[Gibson and Homer gasp]
Gibson: [pointing out the window] Look -- they're towing away a
Range Rover.
[Christian, Milo, and Hannah run to the window to look]
Hannah: There's no --
Gibson: [grabbing film] Yoink! C'mon Homer, we've got a movie
to premiere.
Homer: Woo hoo! [Gibson and Homer beat a hasty retreat]
Christian: We've got to get that film back or we're all going to
get fired, you know what I mean?
Milo: Yeah.
Christian: Huh?
Milo: Yeah.
Christian: Huh?
Milo: Yeah.
Christian: Huh?
Milo: Fired.

Long story short, the film producer's fears were realized when opening day came. The audience was horrified, and Jimmy Stewart's granddaughter implies that she is going to sue Homer and Mel Gibson for tarnishing her grandpa's work.

Precisely. Neither are gym battles important although I do have to disagree with you on character development. Character development is far more important than gym battles and captures in the anime storyline.

I agree completely. Semidos, I do view character development as being very vital to the show and it's characters, and I honestly think Misty received development (and good development, as well.).

And your point is? I couldn't care less if the anime ignored HG/SS. I don't care if the anime's main purpose is to promote the games. I watch it because I enjoy it, not because of the games. Although I do like the games, the anime is the most active aspect I care about.

Yep, in fact, while I do think the anime could try to promote the games, that does NOT mean that it should copy the games plotline by the letter. Unfortunately, that's exactly what DP is, to sum it all up. It's not really the fact that it promoted the games that bothers me. It's more the level in which it is done. I mean, what's the point in watching something, when you can get the same thing by getting the game?

 

[randomspot555]

Who cares if Johto only had one evolution? A Pokemon is a Pokemon whether it evolves or not. I couldn't care less who evolves or who doesn't evolve.

Because Johto is the Johto region. The Kanto Pokemon had their time in Kanto and Orange Islands. Why bother to go to a new region and capture new Pokemon if they're rarely, if ever, used?

And it takes a lot of the thrill out of battles. When Ash used Charizard in his battle against Casey, was there really any doubt about who would win?

So what if he only he used two pokemon from Johto in the battle against Gary. Who cares what region a Pokemon comes from. A Pokemon is a Pokemon.

I know as Pokemon fans we accept a certain amount of repeptitiveness, but using Kanto Pokemon in the Johto League when they already had TWO leagues to battles, then why capture these new Pokemon at all?

IF I wanted to see all Kanto Pokemon used, I'd watch Kanto. Say what you will about Hoenn (which I didn't like all that much), but I liked that Ash kept to Hoenn region Pokemon during his time there.

So what if they never learnt their signature moves. Different pokemon will have different moves and even so, they might have learnt them off-screen but just not been shown to use them. Why is all this important?

Again, them learning signature (or really, just ANY more powerful moves) would give them an edge up in battling. Otherwise, Ash would be stupid NOT to use his Kanto Pokemon, because they're that much better.

Precisely. Neither are gym battles important although I do have to disagree with you on character development. Character development is far more important than gym battles and captures in the anime storyline.

And the anime usually conveys character development, for both Pokemon and sometimes the trainer, by learning new moves or evolution (or in cases like Piplup and Bulbasaur, refusing to evolve). When you have a Pokemon that is rarely used and doesn't learn signature moves like all of it's previous and future counterparts do, it's a sign of a lack of character development.

And your point is? I couldn't care less if the anime ignored HG/SS. I don't care if the anime's main purpose is to promote the games. I watch it because I enjoy it, not because of the games. Although I do like the games, the anime is the most active aspect I care about.

My point was it's ridiculous to blame one region for promoting the current games but ignore it in other regions. Now, maybe the METHOD of promoting HG/SS is up for debate, I'll cede you that.

Yep, in fact, while I do think the anime could try to promote the games, that does NOT mean that it should copy the games plotline by the letter. Unfortunately, that's exactly what DP is, to sum it all up. It's not really the fact that it promoted the games that bothers me. It's more the level in which it is done. I mean, what's the point in watching something, when you can get the same thing by getting the game?

And many others will say straying so far from the plot, like in Johto, results in a poorly paced, low character development region where regional Pokemon are practically ignored.

Though Johto does get some sympathy points since the Gen II games were very, very bare and relied heavily on Kanto. HG/SS pretty much corrected al that.

 

[weedle_mchairybug]

Because Johto is the Johto region. The Kanto Pokemon had their time in Kanto and Orange Islands. Why bother to go to a new region and capture new Pokemon if they're rarely, if ever, used?

And it takes a lot of the thrill out of battles. When Ash used Charizard in his battle against Casey, was there really any doubt about who would win?

Considering how the same show had a beaten up and inexperienced Caterpie basically manslaughtering Ekans and Koffing in such a manner that Caterpie made it look easy (and that's going by odds against it scenarioes), I'd argue that that is actually what makes battles even more thrilling (although at the same time, it also has a negative as done the wrong way, it makes the character who lost look like a joke. A two-edged sword, if you will.)

I know as Pokemon fans we accept a certain amount of repeptitiveness, but using Kanto Pokemon in the Johto League when they already had TWO leagues to battles, then why capture these new Pokemon at all?

The same question can easily be asked about the leagues. What's the point in doing them if you're only going to achieve the same rank as before (like in Hoenn.).

IF I wanted to see all Kanto Pokemon used, I'd watch Kanto. Say what you will about Hoenn (which I didn't like all that much), but I liked that Ash kept to Hoenn region Pokemon during his time there.

Yep, although I really didn't like the fact that Hoenn had basically treated the Gym Leaders like complete jokes (IE, how of all of the GLs that have been showcased, only two were actually decent wins.).

Again, them learning signature (or really, just ANY more powerful moves) would give them an edge up in battling. Otherwise, Ash would be stupid NOT to use his Kanto Pokemon, because they're that much better.

Powerful moves ultimately don't cut it if the trainer's pokemon had far more experience and endurance, though. And done the wrong way, it will end up making the trainer look like a complete joke.

And the anime usually conveys character development, for both Pokemon and sometimes the trainer, by learning new moves or evolution (or in cases like Piplup and Bulbasaur, refusing to evolve). When you have a Pokemon that is rarely used and doesn't learn signature moves like all of it's previous and future counterparts do, it's a sign of a lack of character development.

My point was it's ridiculous to blame one region for promoting the current games but ignore it in other regions. Now, maybe the METHOD of promoting HG/SS is up for debate, I'll cede you that.

I think that was what Semidos's point was all along, he was more complaining about the method that was used.

And many others will say straying so far from the plot, like in Johto, results in a poorly paced, low character development region where regional Pokemon are practically ignored.

Maybe the pokemon weren't too developed, but the human characters actually received quite a bit of development.

Though Johto does get some sympathy points since the Gen II games were very, very bare and relied heavily on Kanto. HG/SS pretty much corrected al that.

Yep, although I kinda wish that they moved Mewtwo to another location.

 

[luke]

Actually...

This would be MY definition of Cartoon Network/Adult Swim.

But... then again... I suppose that's just my opinion, huh?

=/

That's why I can't talk about anime on this forum. I get flamed every time I state my opinion about an anime.

=/

God Almighty. Stop. whining. about. our. site. already. If you hate how you're treated here, LEAVE ALREADY! No one is keeping you here. Go off and complain about Cartoon Network elsewhere you obsessed troll.

Because it was, is, and always will be the worst. Anyone can objctively look at it and say that it is terrible.

Anyway, it I got the stupid name becuase I thought it would be fun. It turned out to be stupid.



They promoted Johto stuff in Sinnoh because of overrated remakes G&S. If any Kanto remakes were coming out during Johto they would've promoted those too. They might as well since the Kanto Pokémon had most of the spotlight anyway.



Character development isn't important? Cut yourself vertically on the arm. Do it now.



What?



Not many kids do that anymore. That's why the ratings are lower.

Protip: Don't ***** about something you have done earlier...


Anyway, a half-hour ad getting higher ratings, how fitting...

Absolutely not. All it does is implies that censor bypassing is more or less acceptable because it's what "posters in this forum are like". There's no need to go on with the semantics - all I'm asking is to make this thread a more enjoyable read. I'm not any mod, but I'm just making a request for a less toxic atmosphere. If that is fine with you.

STOP DISCUSSING CENSOR BYPASSING IN A THREAD ABOUT THE RATINGS OF POKEMON ANIME GOING UP

Also, you all need to learn to be more respectful towards one another when having a discussion. This thread is so full of personal attacks, insults, swearing, telling people to cut themselves, etc. that I should give you all infractions right now. Either shape or there will be consequences. I'm watching all of you for now to make sure you don't have anymore slip ups. This sort of behavior is sooooooo unacceptable. (This goes to the other people who I didn't quote either. I just selected some of the worst posts in this thread so far.)

 

[Jmath]

Yeah, the anime promotes the games. Everyone's realizing that only now!?:cheeky:

But honestly even though the anime, specifically the DP series, derives a lot from the games, it still puts an unique twist to the game event plots as opposed to being a "carbon copy". Case in point, just look at Mira. Forget that, look at all the original anime characters we have floating about.

 

[randomspot555]

Yeah, the anime promotes the games. Everyone's realizing that only now!?:cheeky:

But honestly even though the anime, specifically the DP series, derives a lot from the games, it still puts an unique twist to the game event plots as opposed to being a "carbon copy". Case in point, just look at Mira. Forget that, look at all the original anime characters we have floating about.

Or Paul.

Now, people can argue that Gary is a better rival. But Paul has been far more involved in Sinnoh than Gary ever was throughout the prior regions.

And for much complaining about Sinnoh copying the games, Gary is the perfect example of a copy from a game. Like his counterpart Blue (which he basically is,with a different name and Pokemon captures), he briefly appears throughout Kanto, has a very cocky attitude and is always ahead of Ash. And after losing a big battle to his rival, he matures (a bit...both Blue and Gary are still very confident) and stop being a traveling trainer to follow a different path. Gary in research, Blue in Viridian's Gym. Both still travel, but not to battle, collect badges, and be in regional leagues.

Each region differs from the games when it can, but it still largely sticks to what happens in them. And I enjoy the anime adapting them. I enjoy Barry/Jun. Like Gary, he's a copy of the rival, but he's just so gosh darned entertaining that I can't get enough of him.

Have I mentioned I don't hate Johto, or Kanto, or Hoenn? I don't think I have. Same with the games. I just don't get fans, ANY fans, who think one gen sucks and everything after that has ruined Pokemon forever. Pokemon, as a franchise, is about taking something that works and building on it and tweaking it here and there. I'll enjoy Sinnoh and the 4th gen games, and I'll enjoy whatever else comes up next.

Except for the movies. The movies have been disappointments. But I guess there's another thread for that.