We are talking about you calling an individual an alt right, nothing to do with me. Instead of insulting people and calling them alt right, offer your opinion without resorting to name calling.
Hopefully then when theyre proven wrong on every account they can delete all the replies that proved them wrong :-)
straw man fallacy:
Why did you say "you?" Ive said multiple times in the past that I'm not Alt-Right. I dont even like Trump. I think he has done a terrible job thus far. Im a conservative/libertarian.
Because you seem to defend the Alt-Right at every turn. I assumed the only reason someone would do this is if they held a personal stake in it.
And I've never claimed they are a structured movement, but I have pointed out their commonalities and most common beliefs. Nor have I ever claimed that people outside the Alt-Right consider it a structured movement.
Then how can you tell me that I am wrong to label a man who meets the most widely accepted criteria for being in such a loose group? If you yourself understand they are not an organised movement with clear goals like Socialism or Fascism then how can you then tell me I am wrong to label a man widely considered an icon of the Alt-Right as Alt-Right?
The Alt-Right can be sexist, but its unfair to say anti-feminism is sexist. All sexists are anti-feminist, but not all anti-feminists are sexist. Anti-feminism is not about demeaning women or thinking men is superior- it is a critique of feminist ideology, argumentation, and movement as a whole. Again, you seem to be labeling things you dont like as sexist or whatever.
Feminism ideology is gender equality. If you are against that then you are sexist, it really isn't an out there concept. You might disagree with particular nuances of third wave feminism but if you are outright against the movement then you are a sexist.
Do you even know his argument about blaming women for violence? He is a huge critic of single parenting, which he believes (and if you watch his videos he has all the sources) leads to increased rates of criminality. Im not supporting his argument in any way.
He blames single mothers for people growing up violent. Instead of acknowledging how often single parent households are below the poverty line, the stigma children of single parents face in school and society and numerous other mitigating factors. I mean you could equally 100% blame the fathers for not being there. It wouldn't be right and it wouldn't be accurate.
Not an argument. You cant judge his arguments without actually looking at his reasoning and evidence.
But I did and it was virtually all horsecrap. Only one of us has watched the video (most of it anyway), and it's me.
he cited statistics. just because you dont like his video doesnt mean he is islamophobic. Saying the video is a "horrific joke" is not really staying objective.
You. Haven't. Seen. The. Video? Half of what he says is baseless or fictional, the rest is either entirely void of context or heavily misrepresented. As per 99% of arguments from the Anti Islam crew.
I think race realism is stupid as hell and is not backed up by sufficient date; however, he does cite experts and studies. He has said that race realism to justify white supremacy is wrong because (according to his argument) humans evolved differently in different areas, meaning the resulting adaptations make humans different, but not better than one another. He has never claimed whites are superior.
His whole point of the video blaming multiculturalism and feminism for the fall of Rome is that we let the noble savages in and they stabbed our superior world in the back for it. That's supremacy.
Rejecting conservatism as an anarchist is fundamentally different from rejecting conservatism as an Alt-Rightist. And I already explained how anarchism and the alt-right are totally incompatible because one is all about nonaggression and removing the government and the other is far more authoritarian.
Neither is about non-aggression. Anarchists have always had violent tenancies as have the alt right. The only difference is the Alt Right has a much more internet based presence whereas Anarchists have traditionally held a more physical presence. Although AnCaps are an oxymoron really and just a poor version of Libertarians.
I have no disagreements with you here, but you should probably find a more academic source lol.
When a single webpage for children tears apart a grown man's insane argument I really don't think anything more backing on my end needs to be supplied haha.
Anyways, I never claimed his opinion is correct, merely that he cites his sources to back up his argument. I still want to watch the video and review counterarguments before I make up my mind tho... got to be open minded. I should also throw out there that he has a masters in history from University of Toronto, which is a top school. That doesnt make him right, but it does add to his credibility.
That's even worse. That despite being educated he still deliberately lies and deceives the least intellectual among the right.
Why do you keep labeling things you dont like racist or sexist?
Because those things are demonstrably sexist and/or racist.
Its almost like you have to compartmentalize everything you disagree into these labels to justify your disagreement with them without any actual argument.
I just disproved his entire argument with a page for children. I don't know what makes you think I'd waste my time writing a long argument about something that is wrong at every single corner. It's a waste of time. He's racist and sexist, I've explained why twice now, there's really nothing more that I should say.
Its the equivalent of me calling all socialists racists because Che Guevara was a racist and pretending there are no differences between leftists while simultaneously ignoring all evidence brought forth by leftists.
Only, whilst El Che was a racist, the majority of the left have always stood for equality. That's why the right hates us so much, calls us snowflakes, PC, thought police etc. David Cameron was neither a homophobe nor racist but he was a huge right wing turd who cut much needed funding from the disabled to facilitate tax cuts to his rich friends. There's a vast difference between the odd big figure in a movement being this or that and the movement itself being racist, sexist etc.
Believe it or not, I'm actually left on some issues
I don't doubt it, you've always struck me as a good person.
For example, i believe in affirmative action in housing for minorities that have been historically discriminated against in the realm of housing policy. (this is actually where I have a huge divergence with other pro-free market people) I have an entire essay on it if you would like to read it.
Yeah, send me it, I'll happily read it. I think if we continue this discussion though we should take it to PMs/VMs because whilst our discussion on the video is relevant, we're getting further and further away from the monstrous incident in Sweden
