Pro choice or pro life?

Pro or no?

  • Pro

    Votes: 36 56.3%

  • no

    Votes: 28 43.8%
  • Total voters
    64
Rellyms said:
Abortion is also not considered murder because you'd see more than thousand woman either in jail or on trial.
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You didn't really answer me question. Plus, they're not in jail because the government doesn't consider it to be murder. If they did, they'd obviously be all facing the bars right now, don't you think?
 
wakachamo said:
You didn't really answer me question. Plus, they're not in jail because the government doesn't consider it to be murder. If they did, they'd obviously be all facing the bars right now, don't you think?
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Ok then to answer your question. I'm saying because it's not considered a mammal nor aquatic life it can be terminated.

The government doesn't think it's murder because it's not human.
 
Clairissa said:
No, slaves and slavery is not like abortion.
"Go ahead and say "you're calling fetuses fungus!" ", glad you took my advice.
Saying "don't tell people they're going to hell if you get an abortion" is not like saying "you can't enslave a fellow human being".
Also, yearning for life would involve yearning, fetuses are unable to even voice an opinion, or understand what opinion means, making them, essentially, animals, while that may sound hypocritical to the "don't kill animals for no real reason" thing, I only support abortion for legitimate causes, IE, rape, age, financial situation, ect. that would make this "wonderful life" you think it being alive would ensue for the parent, in those cases it wouldn't... Adoption agencies and families are horrible by the way.

I'll be awaiting your next post with the same reworded paragraphs about fetus development, "slavery=abortion" and 'scary' photos of a fetus being ripped out of a uterus.
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But you did say that, and I quote
It's not a child until it's actually moving around, becoming sentient, until then it's pretty much just like fungus or mold, it grows but it doesn't know anything at all.
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What about hell? I'm confused as to why you even mention it.

If you ask people today who survived after their mother attempted to abort them, I'm pretty sure they'd say they want to live.

There's also the movie, The Silent Scream. Please watch it.

The Silent Scream, narrated by Dr. B. Nathanson, a former abortionist. It dramatically, but factually, shows the pre-born baby dodging the suction instrument time after time, while its heartbeat doubles in rate. When finally caught, its body being dismembered, the baby's mouth clearly opens wide — hence, the title.
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Rape is a fair enough reason, but I don't think it will help with the trauma.
Age? She had sex. Sex makes babies. Abortion is not a contraceptive.
Financial situation? Support is available, from either families or non-profit organisations.

Sure they are. Any proof?

"scary"? It wasn't meant to be scary. It was to show you the reality of the procedure.

TRIFORCE89 said:
I would like the father to have a say in the decision, but that's not always possible or wise. If you're married, yeah he should have a say (she still decides though). If you're young and you find yourself pregnant (I don't think you should abort for such a reason anyway, but whatever) and the father has gone and run off somewhere. Then, no. No say for him. Dude's an ass. Not married, but in a serious relationship, I would say he should be involved.


Heartbeat and brain development doesn't start until weeks 4-6 of the embryonic cycle. Essential organs start to form around the six week mark to eight weeks.

Most places that allow abortion have the waiting period set between 12 weeks to 24 weeks. That's a long time. I would prefer if the process occurs before heartbeat and brain development, but chances are you're not going to know you're pregnant by then. I would limit it then to before it enters the fetal stage.

Still bad, still a living thing, still human cells. But...I think that's a better window. Two months after having sex.

EDIT: Hey. Half my message disappeared :c Let's fix that...

I live in Canada, so I'm not sure how it is in the States, but... I was under the impression that abortion was legal. With differing rules from state to state (parental notification, consent, waiting period, etc). But, despite that - proper abortion providers are still limited.

Here in Canada, it's legal and the procedure is funded by the provinces (except Quebec and some northern territories), performed in hospitals, and covered under universal health care.

Side note: We're at a point now where we can know the gender of a baby before hand. I fear a little bit, that this plus abortion would lead to selective births if you don't get the gender you want at first. :\
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Well of course if the father isn't there he shouldn't have a say. Couldn't, even, since he isn't even there.

But if men don't have a say then why are we required to pay child support? (not specifically directed at you Tri, just a general statement).

Ah, I was just saying those are as early they have been detected. My bad once more.

Sadly enough, in some countries selective births are already occurring. Heck, we all know the situation in China with people leaving their freshly born daughters out on the street.
Rellyms said:
Abortion is also not considered murder because you'd see more than thousand woman either in jail or on trial.
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it's because in the eyes of the law the child inside is not considered human, though as someone mentioned earlier, if someone kills a pregnant woman and the child inside, some laws regard that as double homicide. Funny that.

How is it not human when it has everything it needs to become a human?
 
Rellyms said:
Ok then to answer your question. I'm saying because it's not considered a mammal nor aquatic life it can be terminated.

The government doesn't think it's murder because it's not human.
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Uhhh....

Well, a fetus is a developing viviparous vertebrate (meaning the embryo develops inside the mother and the creature forming will have backbones or spinal columns). And that means a mammal.

And it is human. It may not legally be a "person". But it is living and it is human.
 
Watch That Pin said:
it's because in the eyes of the law the child inside is not considered human, though as someone mentioned earlier, if someone kills a pregnant woman and the child inside, some laws regard that as double homicide. Funny that.

How is it not human when it has everything it needs to become a human?
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In some states it also depends on how far along the mother is, before it can actually be considered double homicide.

Everything has a chance at being human, it's the development we take along the way that differentiates us from them.

@ Tri: It's only considered living after a heartbeat is heard. Which is the 5 - 6 week, still within law borders of 5 weeks.
 
Rellyms said:
In some states it also depends on how far along the mother is, before it can actually be considered double homicide.

Everything has a chance at being human, it's the development we take along the way that differentiates us from them.
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What the difference between a toddler, a teenage, an adult, and an old person?

They're all human. They're just at different stages in their life. So is the child in the womb, it's just at another stage.
 
Oh! I'm sorry I mean Embryo. Egg --> Chick --> Chicken ? Do you call an egg a bird ?
 
TRIFORCE89 said:
No, an egg doesn't turn into a bird. A bird comes out of the egg. The egg protects the bird embryo. An embryo is living because it grows and cell division is present.
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I wasn't saying it did, but you don't hear normal people saying " I want some bird embryo sunny side with a side of bacon."
 
I had just finished watching "The silent scream" through Drifloons link, and i have to state that i simply could not stop watching it. Both in the way that it was presented by Dr. Bernard Nathanson, and the way it's content was factual and was explained to us in an honest fashion. I completely agree that this video/similar video should be shown to all people at least before they attempt to go through the procedure of abortion. I also implore people here, whether they are pro choice or pro life, to watch the amazing video that's been provided on the thread.

So congratulations, Watch That Pin, Drifloon! You and Nathanson have officially converted me to pro life.
 
Mitchman Is said:
While this is off topic a bit i really dont care. English is my first language and well i really dont feel like typing properly just long sentences. If you have a problem well then yeah.
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uhhhhhh English isn't my first and I can speak it? Not exactly something to be proud of.

I'm sure I'm not the only one that has a problem with it, since nobody can understand a thing you say most of the time.

If you want to speak gibberish, then by all means go ahead. Don't expect anybody to understand and agree with you, though.
 
Cassino said:
Most humans, if they are honest, would have to say yes to that.
Many kill flies and spiders and things unnecessarily.
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Would you not call it a necessity instead of "unnecessarily"?

Not saying it's not unnecessary, but that can point of view can vary from person to person.
 
wakachamo said:
uhhhhhh English isn't my first and I can speak it? Not exactly something to be proud of.

I'm sure I'm not the only one that has a problem with it, since nobody can understand a thing you say most of the time.

If you want to speak gibberish, then by all means go ahead. Don't expect anybody to understand and agree with you, though.
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no need to go off-topic, keep that sort of thing to VM/PM.
Cassino said:
Most humans, if they are honest, would have to say yes to that.
Many kill flies and spiders and things unnecessarily.
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Yeah, so? We are talking about people here, not animals.
 
Watch That Pin said:
Yeah, so? We are talking about people here, not animals.
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Human~
Kingdom: Animalia
Phylum: Chordata
Class: Mamalia
etc, etc.

Also, I searched around the site you've been supplying for reasoning behind your beliefs. Conclusion: It's kindddaa biased. Like major biased. I'd prefer to look to a site written by those in the science realm, not the "why I'm right, and reasons you're wrong" realm. The site also isolates African-Americans, saying that they are for abortion because it's a "civil right." It also gives stereotypical reasons for being pro-choice.
 
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