The only time that I say an unborn child may be killed is when a rape occurs. Especially when it is a teenager.
It should be up to them in that case.
But when it is between husband and wife, the child MUST be born, you can't just go around recklessly making children with your partner; you must be responsible for what you made.
If you just allow it for rape, what will happen is that many women will lie about how they became pregnant. I'm not saying that women are liars and I mean no offense to those who are a victim of rape, but if abortion is permitted exclusively for the reason above, both women and even abortionists will fabricate the story and falsely report so that the woman may have an abortion.
Radical feminist guru Gloria Steinem, in a 1985 interview with USA Today said that "to make abortion legal only in cases of rape and incest would force women to lie."
Up until 1988, Pennsylvania's Medicaid program funded abortions, for women who claimed they had been raped, without any requirement for reporting of the purported assault to a law enforcement agency. Under this law, abortion clinic personnel issued thinly veiled public invitations for women to simply state that they'd been raped, and the state ended up funding an average of 36 abortions a month based on such unsubstantiated claims. In 1988 the legislature added a requirement for reporting the rape to a law enforcement agency, and the average dropped to less than three abortions per month.
https://www.abortionfacts.com/online_books/love_them_both/why_cant_we_love_them_both_29.asp
So if abortion was only permitted in the case of rape, victims would need to be more responsible in informing the police and increased involvement would need to be required on the part of law enforcement agencies.
I pretty much think that you can't O.K abortion because:
--A teen got pregnant due to consensual sex.
--A person cannot afford the child. (Leads me to think they should be practicing safe sex!)
--A means of birth control.
The only case I can ever see where abortion is OK is:
--Due to rape.
--Due to the health of the mother.
I just can't imagine a woman would want to live and nurture the face of their rapist. That's too twisted.
I have to give it to you guys. I came into this thread pretty liberal and more in line with "Their body, their choice" but a few well thought out posts and well placed links changed my mind.
I think the answer is pretty clear: contraceptives. Use them. Abortion should be allowed in cases like rape or if the health of the mother is jeopardized.
Immediate hospital treatment, after rape, can be abortive through the use of the morning after pill. Since the morning after pill does work like a contraceptive as well as a abortifacient, the abortion would still be available to rape victims.
However, both rape and having an abortion are traumatic experiences and terrible tragedies. At the very least an abortion should not be encouraged. Instead, help should be provided to the mother so that she can heal.
What percentage of rape pregnancies are aborted?
Less than half. The balance carry the baby to term. In one study of 37 rape pregnancies, 28 carried to term. S. Makhorn, in Psychological Aspects of Abortion, Mall & Watts, Univ. Pub. 1979, Pg. 58
That number may well have changed in recent years, but mothers do not always kill the baby.
This thread has always been a hot topic. That wont change. There are a lot of differing opinions here.
Anyways, back on topic, I happen to feel that they are wrong in comparing slavery with abortion. Slavery IS NOT abortion and it's not really a citizen which is protected under ANY rights doctrine until it's born in a country where the laws protect it's life. Therefore, ABORTION IS NOT MURDER. The unborn child does not enjoy the same rights because it has not yet been born into being a citizen of any country. However, I do agree that abortion is wrong in most situations. As I've said before, abortion should only be used in circumstances where the life of both the mother and the child are threatened.
I do agree that the mother shouldn't have the choice to terminate pregnancy at any point beyond the morning after. (yes, i do agree with use of the morning after pill, it's not abortion, it's a contraceptive measure, and if you think it isn't one it's because you've been lied to)
I wasn't comparing slavery to abortion. I was comparing the situation black people and unborn children were/are in. Slaves weren't considered citizens or more than the property of the master, and children inside the womb aren't considered citizens either or more than the property of the mother. Did you even read my post or did you just make an assumption?
What does organised religion have to do with anything here? What does studying the bible have to do with this? Don't try and make yourself look big, especially since no one cares.
I can't believe that I have to try and explain this to you again.
Actually, stuff that. Here, read this.
The combination pill has three functions. One is to thicken the mucus plug at the opening of the cervix. This can act as a barrier mechanism to prevent sperm entrance. The main function of the pill is to prevent ovulation.
If there is no egg, there can be no fertilization. A third function is to harden the lining of the womb. If fertilization does occur, this can and, at times, does prevent implantation at one week of life resulting in a micro-abortion at that time.
https://www.abortionfacts.com/online_books/love_them_both/why_cant_we_love_them_both_35.asp
It does both - it can prevent fertilisation or
it can kill the newly created life, and that's obviously an abortion.
Yeah but contraceptives don't have a 100% guarantee. I mean yeah I see where you are going, but I just wanted to make that clear that only reduces the risk of an STD or pregnancy.
Exactly. AIDS can actually move freely through the condom, even though sperm cannot.
Furthermore, teenagers are not informed that contraceptive methods are not 100% effective in preventing anything, and so teen pregnancy and STD rates rise as a result of sex education only seeming to encourage sex between teenagers.
