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Suggestion: Programming subsection for C&T

twocows

twocows

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    I've been thinking for a while now that a programming subsection of C&T would be really neat. It could be a place for people to discuss programming languages, how to solve particular problems in a given language, help each other learn new languages, and work on projects together. I think it would encourage programming-related discussion and possibly drive people to make some really cool stuff and share it with others.
     
    Couldn't you just make a "Programming Discussion Thread" or something? most of PC is kids who don't know much of programming so it seems like a whole section would probably just be dead.
     
    I agree with .Gamer, here. It seems like a better idea to make a thread about it than request a forum. I've been to C&T enough to know that there are members here that do know programming languages, but enough for a whole forum dedicated to it without any threads about it to begin with? Seems excessive. I think if there was a thread active enough, higher staff may consider discussing the matter, though.
     
    .Gamer said:
    Couldn't you just make a "Programming Discussion Thread" or something? most of PC is kids who don't know much of programming so it seems like a whole section would probably just be dead.
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    It's really too broad of a field for a single thread, I think. Plus, it's hard to see responses to a specific question or topic in a thread structure.

    I don't think a lack of discussion would really be too much of a problem. So long as it exists, people will check it out now and then. Webmaster Discussion doesn't see much action, but people still discuss things from time to time.

    Patchisou Yutohru said:
    I agree with .Gamer, here. It seems like a better idea to make a thread about it than request a forum. I've been to C&T enough to know that there are members here that do know programming languages, but enough for a whole forum dedicated to it without any threads about it to begin with? Seems excessive. I think if there was a thread active enough, higher staff may consider discussing the matter, though.
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    To start off with, there could be a few stickies about how to learn programming languages and links to texts like SICP that teach the basics of programming.
     
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    I don't think it would get so much traffic to it that members' responses would be ignored. Take the Simple Questions and Answers threads in ROM Hacking, for example. There's a high demand for answers, but everything is reasonably facilitated within one thread. There are a good number of people on this forum that know at least one programming language, but I'm pretty sure one thread would suffice - at least for now.

    I mean, what could you lose from making the thread? The worst that could happen is it would get too busy, and that would only give you further reason to push for a sub-board from the H-staff. :]
     
    Hiidoran said:
    I don't think it would get so much traffic to it that member's responses would be ignored. Take the Simple Questions and Answers threads in ROM Hacking, for example. There's a high demand for answers, but everything is nicely facilitated within one thread. There are a good number of people on this forum that know at least one programming language, but I'm pretty sure one thread would suffice.

    I mean, what could you lose from making the thread? The worst that could happen is it would get too busy, and that would only give you further reason to push for a sub-board from the H-staff. :]
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    I found the exact opposite to be true with the Simple Questions and Answers thread. My friend, a scripter, asked a number of questions that never got answered in that thread, and after the first day or two they were buried and nobody else got the chance to look at them. I personally think threads like this are a bad idea. Plus, you can't really have programming contests or project collaboration in a single thread.
     
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    twocows said:
    I found the exact opposite to be true with the Simple Questions and Answers thread. My friend, a scripter, asked a number of questions that never got answered in that thread, and after the first day or two they were buried and nobody else got the chance to look at them. I personally think threads like this are a bad idea. Plus, you can't really have programming contests or project collaboration in a single thread.
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    Well, you could always make other threads for that. I just don't think higher staff would vote yes for this idea without any activity on the subject. I think I've seen about three threads in there that dealt with programming and programming languages in my time here. I think if you can prove that a forum is needed, then you have a good shot of having this forum approved and put up by higher staff. I don't think it'll hurt to just use C&T as a pool for those types of threads until there's enough activity on this subject to bring this suggestion up again.
     
    Patchisou Yutohru said:
    Well, you could always make other threads for that. I just don't think higher staff would vote yes for this idea without any activity on the subject. I think I've seen about three threads in there that dealt with programming and programming languages in my time here. I think if you can prove that a forum is needed, then you have a good shot of having this forum approved and put up by higher staff. I don't think it'll hurt to just use C&T as a pool for those types of threads until there's enough activity on this subject to bring this suggestion up again.
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    Hmm, you may be right on that account, actually. I just feel like having a subsection might encourage discussion that we wouldn't ordinarily see.
     
    While I agree with you on the usefulness of a subforum for that, I think if you work with Zet and get several good threads on that topic running, stickied and decently busy, that they'll seriously consider that section idea.

    Personally, I don't understand why the h-staff is so skittish about adding sub-forums to fine-tune where clearly different topics can go, but that's not highly relevant. Still, I do see why they don't wanna jump into every idea, since they've gotta put it to a vote, and ask the mod of that area, and convince the stubborn holdouts on h-staff. XD
     
    Althought there are a lot of languages, the main ones that people would discuss, I think, would be C, C++, C#, XNA and web languages.

    I would love to see some of these, as I am working with most.

    I don't think a whole sub-forum would get enough traffic, but the individual topics would best suit the subject, personally anyway.
     
    Oh, I loved the idea of a Programming sub-section too XD. Oh well, No shipping Sub-section, no programming sub-section either...
     
    Team Fail said:
    Plus it's organized. I would definitely use some of the C tutorials as I wish to learn some of it.
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    Organization, Tutorials, and Contests. Packed in a sub-section of awesomeness. I mean really, who wouldn't like that? Just a few stickies on major programming language tutorials. Help threads. Contests for like the smallest source code or efficient for a hard objective.

    Oh, and trust me, I won't like "No, because this is a Pokemans forum with kids in it we don't need Programming" excuses or some other steaming pile of crud because we have a webmaster section.
     
    There are a lot of different things that could be put in there.

    iPhone app section could be created since it is done in Objective C, even if it is a horrid and messy language!
     
    Adding a subforum can also kill discussion.

    ...just so you know.

    (Webbies was a LOT more busy before it got demoted to subforum... we at one time had 4 subforums of our own...)
     
    aRedMoon said:
    Adding a subforum can also kill discussion.

    ...just so you know.

    (Webbies was a LOT more busy before it got demoted to subforum... we at one time had 4 subforums of our own...)
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    It was pretty dead before we made it a subforum though. The Pokemon webmastering scene in general is pretty much dead and has been for a while.

    I'd love to have a programming subforum, but I just don't see it as a viable option. There would be 5 or so people that would post in it regularly and there really aren't that many programming threads in Comp/Tech to warrant their own separate forum.
     
    Team Fail said:
    I'd say it would be incredibly useful, as it's so broad. Also, putting it in the Computers and Technology section would make it harder to find, as there are all the other threads, like computer problems, technology discussions and such. Plus it's organized. I would definitely use some of the C tutorials as I wish to learn some of it. I'm totally in favor of this part of the Community materializing.
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    I... don't think you quiiiite understand where I, and others, were going. :(

    A dedicated forum is obviously going to make it more organized and easy to find something, but before a dedicated forum can be considered, there has to be some activity on the subject already going on. I don't think higher staff would approve of the idea if they don't know there's a need for it.

    Like Audy said, there needs to be a demand for it. That doesn't mean people asking for it, either. It means threads on the topic being posted enough for higher staff to think to themselves that there needs to be a forum dedicated to strictly those topics. There needs to be a surplus of active threads in order for it to be considered by higher staff, and from looking at the Computers and Technology forum, there are hardly any. -- Supply and demand.
     
    @Greg: Yeah, but Webbies got demoted to a subforum simply because it wasn't active, eventually. :( Its demise had a lot more to do with all the active members leaving the fandom for bigger & better things rather than it being bounced around the index.

    Anyway, I agree with what Audy said 100%. I wouldn't be adverse to a subforum there eventually but for now, let's see some activity related to programming. The most we get is... a poll every so often asking which languages everyone knows and maybe the odd "help me!" thread. D: That's not enough to make a forum. If we made one now, yeah, we'd probably get a lot of threads at first but once we get over the curve of initial excitement over a new forum... it'd probably just die out like the programming threads we do get, except with the added bonus of leaving a dead forum behind, too. :s

    But as stated, if there's demand, we'll probably add it, so show us there's a need for it. :)
     
    Well, in the instance of webbies - we had it split into the 3 sections, and even then, activity seemed to dwindle. When you get too specific, it seems to kill conversation.

    (And I blame all of you for the death of the webbies!!! >3)
     
    PC is the last place where I would discuss any problems I'm having with my programs...
    There are better communities suited for this purpose.

    Go ahead and try creating a thread, and see how active it is? I'm pretty sure it will either die or become the chit-chat thread for a handful of people.

    The only thing I agree with is... A thread doesn't suit programming discussions, such discussions are too diverse and the questions will be lost in the heaps of noob questions. In comparison, a forum should be better.

    However, if this does ever happen, I'll be one of the supporters... Since I love programming myself.
     
    I think only one or two of us said "put it all in one thread" and I disagree with that too. There's nothing wrong with having several threads on it. I encourage it, in fact, since it's likely the best way to see if activity for a section like that would stick around or dwindle. :/ It's much easier to gauge the activity of several threads rather than one sticky.
     
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