Project Alpha Fan: Hoenn chapter

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    [PokeCommunity.com] Project Alpha Fan: Hoenn chapter

    Goal
    To create an unbreakable record for fastest completion of Ruby or Sapphire (or emerald, but there are more events). Then, get that record certified by the Guinness Book of World Records: Video Game Edition.

    Introduction
    ChrisTom found a record in the Guinness Book of World Records: Video Game Edition for Pokemon Blue Version. An Australian boy beat the game in 2:40. Then, after a bit of research, he found the true record holder was someone with the time of 1:59. Since then, a few members of Pokecommunity have been working hard to break that record, and earn Pokecommunity a spot in the record books. However, some people found that they Red and Blue Versions weren't as natural as others, so they were not able to participate. It is for this reason that the Hoenn chapter was created.

    Where you come in
    Then, I got thinking. Why doesn't Pokecommunity create their own records for the other games as well? So, I went through the list of participants on the RBY one, and asked them for their help. A few quick responders agreed. But we will need more to help. I am calling upon the masses of trainers in Pokecommunity. The Pokecommunity Forums have been kind to you, a place for you to hang out and talk about Pokemon. Now give back to them by placing their name in the record books.

    Strategy
    I believe that blindly going through the game is the wrong approach. What's to say that someone else just gets a bit luckier and goes through the game faster? So, like any school class, in order to be successful, proper research must be done first. We need people to gather tips for the game. We need people to come up with the team that has the best chance of setting the record. After that, we need people to find the fastest path from start of the game to the end. There are many needs here. I think it is good to have a balance of people speed running and gaining intel that way, and people not running, strategizing off the field. If you are interested, then post in this thread. In advance, I can assure you that any help is much appreciated.

    Tips and Tricks

    Teams
    Fire Wolf's Mudkip start
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    Melvern's Treeko start
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    Participants
    Myrrhman
    Redsaber5859
    The Opera Ghost
    Melvern
    Fire Wolf
    seal
    artificial-insanity
     
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    I'm in this, I could do on Sapphire.

    I know that Mudkip is the best starter. But, I don't have any other tips and tricks to suggest here. Maybe a Swampert solo run? I can do a solo run with Swampert as I've done it before. Surf or Muddy Water/Earthquake/Ice Beam/Brick Break is a good and balanced moveset for Swampert. You'd need Ethers and Elixers, because I used 2 or 3 in my solo run.

    I'll first do a research run, and then start my actual solo run.
     
    Thank you for not only trying to bring this immense project over to the Hoenn region, but also for being kind enough to give me credit for starting this series of projects and for giving me credit for the name. I thoroughly appreciate you and your tenacious spirit. I hope that all of the participants will not only enjoy themselves and try hard, but also gain something from this. Thank you all for being part of the biggest challenge ever.

    With all regards,

    -ChrisTom
     
    I probably won't be playing it, but I'll join to give some tips.

    I tried speedruns with EVERY starter in Emerald, and before I reached the parts the Emerald differ from Ruby/Sapphire, I got stuck at this certain point: the second Rival right. Yes, the one at the route below the Cycling Road.

    If you choose Mudkip:
    Water/Ground Marshtop gets completely owned by Absorb.
    If you choose Torchic:
    Combusken's low defense gets completely owned by Mud Shot.
    If you choose Treecko:
    Grovyle gets owned by Ember (or at least what I remember). Rock Tomb doesn't work as Combusken's Fire/Fighting, neutral to Rock attacks.

    These tests were done based on defeating as little trainers as possible (for speed), so you will not overlevel the rival enough for your normal attacks to break through his starter.
     
    Heya guyz.... i used Ruby..... VBA.... if any of u knows how to play movie on VBA u can continue mine coz mine will be on VMV format...
    UPDATE~!!!!!
    Did the starting stuff.... bla bla.... bla bla......
    and picked treecko... Beaten the poochyena and do the stuff like nickname and blah
    saved and i wasted 3 mins for starting stuff>_<


    Some tips:
    Change Text speed to Fast
    Change Battle Scene to off.
    if u plan to play with one pokemon Solo u should turn Battle style to set
    and when talking with Prob Birch Don't mash A button coz you will talk to him again and it wastes time... well mash B button but when He asked you about seeing may dont keep mashing B it will waste time.

    I researched...... but i havent found out the record of Pokemon RSE....
    So.... we PokéCommunity members shall create a record, not just for us but For PokéCommunity......
    well feel free to check my attachment, we can do it it's not impossible...
    i remembered that my last Ruby run is Grovyle,Zangoose and Kecleon trio
    Some advice here... Kecleon must have fire and ice moves, to mock elite4 easier, Zangoose's attack is insane high so use it u will need alot of it and Kecleon is essential so catch it when u are using Devon scope from Steven to see lvl 30 kecleon. But finding zangoose might waste alot of time, probably need alot of restart, but trust me you will need it on many gym......I would reccomend u to evolve grovyle.... coz in my latest run i didn't press it to maximum.. before challanging E4 prepare TM fire blast with u and save after each E4. if u cant pass steven give zangoose Fire blast TM then his Metagross is going down... Do not fear his Armaldo and Cradily whilst u have grovyle and kecleon. i recommend moves for zangoose is Sword Dance,Slash,Crush Claw,Quick attack.if u need fire blast replace Quick attack, also the vital part of my team is Zangoose, zangoose is my sweeper with high dmg and easy lvl up, whilst my Hybrid is Kecleon with Ice beam,Slash,Psybeam,Fire Blast. recommended moves for Grovyle is Leaf Blade,Dig,Aerial Ace,and Bulk up.but the main problem is on Wattson, its tough to take out his Magneton with Grovyle himself, (well this is in my opinion no offense) and i need suggestion.... first also u must catch taillow, u need it to fly.. the water pokemon dont ask me...... i dunno O_O. when u got surf from wally's father dont waste time surfing to Dewford... Go to oldale town and go up, there will be water then surf straing then u are between Slateport and Mauville city,you will also need Aron to beat Wattson coz his magneton have no leviate.well Vigoroth is essential too in case it have insane speed and attack but raising it from a slakoth is tough and waste of time.on my run before i used Zigzagoon to surf,rock smash,Strength, also Pickup. Use map guide on Serebii, and when u were surfing on zigzagoon if you found pokemons like tentacools catch it, you can use it for Dive and Waterfall. flash isnt needed as u can use guide on serebii.net,in my run before i didnt use aron, i use it only on mauville city.
    Sry if its too long o.o
    I hope this summed, i will try and remember some more..

    ~Melvern

    EDIT: oh... catch groudon with master ball... with it's fire blast too it can take out steven with ease.. my lil bro did catch it so he have no prob on Steven.
     
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    Melvern, I'd rather run from Groudon than catching it with Masterball, as finding and taking MasterBall from Aqua Hideout is pretty time consuming. If it was like FRLG where you could get the MasterBall automatically, I would've surely caught Groudon.

    For Steven, Swampert could easily defeat him. You could target Skarmory's low SpDefense and hit it with Surf, Metagross and Aggron are no problem with Earthquake, Armaldo is weak to Surf and Cradily can't take two Ice Beam's if Swampert is around level 60. Claydol too can't withstand a Surf like Armaldo.

    Catching a Zangoose could be a pain as (a) its only available to Ruby users and (b) in Ruby as well its rare.

    Melvern, I never thought of going from Oldale to Slateport. I always went to Rustboro, used Rusturf tunnel and went to Mauville from Verdanturf. Why didnt that ever strike my mind? o_o

    Swampert and [insert ghost type/dark type] could probably beat the E4 alone. Brick Break's from Swampert could take care of Sidney, [dark/ghost type] could beat Phoebe, Swampert can beat Glacia like Sidney, and Drake is weak to Ice Beams from Swampert. Steven could be taken care of with Swampert as I told.

    But, what would be the ideal team for the gyms? Swampert could beat these leaders: Roxanne, probably Brawly, Wattson, Flannery, Winona and Tate & Liza (I hate them because their Gym Puzzle in R/S is pretty annoying and Emerald has them changed to a easy puzzle but Emerald would take time).

    That is 6/8 leaders, so something to take care of Norman and Wallace/Juan would be ideal as partners to Swampert.

    @emoxy: In my Swampert solo run I remember Grovyle being a problem. There was a rule that you cant train your solo runner in wild as well. I got that rule changed because Grovyle was a major trouble lol.
     
    em.... i guess you're right ^^, btw i have knew the way to solve the gym puzzle lol.

    EDIT: ah well..... i will try my best, using Sceptile as main member.
     
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    I'm pretty sure the 2nd battle with Rival I mentioned is a problem, and training in the wild would seriously increase the finish time by a LOT.
     
    Another tip: Trick House might be fun, but avoid it as it takes time.

    Also, Melvern, you suggested that you should take the Oldale route to Mauville after getting Surf, right? I think going through Petalburg Woods to Rustboro and going to Rusturf after that is better because if you go to Oldale and surf, there are a few unavoidable battles. You also have to go through Cycling road/route below it and in Cycling road there are quite a few battles and in the route below it is grass so you will run into wild pokemon which will waste your time. I think reaching Verdanturf straightaway might be better. If someone's using an Emulator, you could use Save States to save after getting surf, and someone could use both ways to see which takes lesser time.
     
    Duskull? It's obtained pretty late.

    Well, something to take care of Phoebe doesn't need to be part Dark or part Ghost, it just needs to know a Dark or Ghost attack.
     
    Fire Wolf said:
    I'm in this, I could do on Sapphire.

    I know that Mudkip is the best starter. But, I don't have any other tips and tricks to suggest here. Maybe a Swampert solo run? I can do a solo run with Swampert as I've done it before. Surf or Muddy Water/Earthquake/Ice Beam/Brick Break is a good and balanced moveset for Swampert. You'd need Ethers and Elixers, because I used 2 or 3 in my solo run.

    I'll first do a research run, and then start my actual solo run.
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    I don't know if its just me, but Surf definitely beats Muddy Water. They have the same Power, and Muddy Water has 15 less accuracy.

    Ether/Elixer won't be a problem, I'm sure there are some around the main path of the game that we can pick up.

    Melvern said:
    I researched...... but i havent found out the record of Pokemon RSE....
    So.... we PokéCommunity members shall create a record, not just for us but For Pokecommunity...
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    Exactly, and it will be unbreakable, so our record stays in the books forever.

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    Melvern, I'd rather run from Groudon than catching it with Masterball, as finding and taking MasterBall from Aqua Hideout is pretty time consuming. If it was like FRLG where you could get the MasterBall automatically, I would've surely caught Groudon.
    IIRC you only have to enter like two more rooms, and we would know exactly where to go when we attempted the record setting run. Also, Groudon could really help with Wallace with his Solar Beam, although having Groudon on your team takes away from Swampert's water move's power because of his ability.

    Swampert and [insert ghost type/dark type] could probably beat the E4 alone. Brick Break's from Swampert could take care of Sidney, [dark/ghost type] could beat Phoebe, Swampert can beat Glacia like Sidney, and Drake is weak to Ice Beams from Swampert. Steven could be taken care of with Swampert as I told.
    You mean Sableye? That's the only Ghost/Dark in the game. I've Solo'd with a Sableye, its very possible with moves from the list of Shadow Ball/Psychic/Brick Break/Water Pulse/Shock Wave/Rock Tomb/Faint Attack, but Sableye is one of those Pokemon that is harder to get.

    But, what would be the ideal team for the gyms? Swampert could beat these leaders: Roxanne, probably Brawly, Wattson, Flannery, Winona and Tate & Liza (I hate them because their Gym Puzzle in R/S is pretty annoying and Emerald has them changed to a easy puzzle but Emerald would take time).

    That is 6/8 leaders, so something to take care of Norman and Wallace/Juan would be ideal as partners to Swampert.
    From above, Groudon would easily be able to take out Wallace (I'm just ignoring Juan, because lets be honest, I don't see anyone getting the record on Emerald), but again from above, it has its setbacks. Wallace does have a Whiscash, so Grass moves are better than Electric here. As for Norman, idk, you'll probably just have to overpower him.

    @emoxy: In my Swampert solo run I remember Grovyle being a problem. There was a rule that you cant train your solo runner in wild as well. I got that rule changed because Grovyle was a major trouble lol.
    Yeah, we really need to figure out how to get around this. Luckily, his only grass attack is Absorb, which isn't that powerful if it isn't hitting for x6 power.
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    Melvern said:
    EDIT: ah well..... i will try my best, using Sceptile as main member.
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    This is good, we need people testing all the starters with different strategies.

    Fire Wolf said:
    Duskull? It's obtained pretty late.

    Well, something to take care of Phoebe doesn't need to be part Dark or part Ghost, it just needs to know a Dark or Ghost attack.
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    Ah, I see now. I thought you were suggesting Sableye, but just couldn't remember his name, so you left it as Dark/Ghost type. My bad, and I agree that Sableye is not the strongest choice.
     
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    Are you only using a Sceptile? Or will you have other Pokemon with you to help with like Winona? Can you post the movesets?
     
    I did some research and found out these pokemon obtainable in R/S learn Crunch by level up:

    Mightyena at level 47,
    Mawile at level 36,
    Sharpedo (Carvanha) at level 22,
    Flygon (Trapinch) at level 33,
    Seviper at level 28
    Glalie (Snorunt) at level 28.

    I'll probably use Sharpedo between them as Carvanha gets Crunch pretty early, it has STAB Crunch and Rough Skin is a useful ability. Flygon or Glalie can be used as well.

    myrrhman, I've also solo runned with Sableye, its rare in Granite Cave, not available to users of Ruby and isn't really powerful. I'd prefer Sharpedo to it.

    Also, by [insert dark/ghost type], I meant any Dark or Ghost type attack user.

    Like Norman, you could overpower Wallace, by using STAB Earthquakes and Brick Break if he has any Ice/Water's.

    I've got an idea which will require patience but will probably pay off. Before the 2nd rival battle, use save state 1 and save. In the 2nd rival battle, when Grovyle is sent out, save on save state no. 2.

    Then, attack. If it Absorbs, and you survive, save again on save state 2. If you can't survive the Absorb, load till it doesn't use Absorb and save again when it doesn't use Absorb or till your attack crits or something. (note: only valid for emulator users like me)
     
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    btw i used Kecleon.... i added shockwave to ease beating winona and zangoose as killer with high attack

    EDIT: of well... killing wallace wont be a problem against Groudon. the only difficulty i have with my Grovyle,Zangoose and Kecleon run is Steven's metagross till i must give zangoose fire blast.anyways kecloen got nice defend
     
    Melvern said:
    btw i used Kecleon.... i added shockwave to ease beating winona and zangoose as killer with high attack

    EDIT: of well... killing wallace wont be a problem against Groudon. the only difficulty i have with my Grovyle,Zangoose and Kecleon run is Steven's metagross till i must give zangoose fire blast.anyways kecloen got nice defend
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    K, I'll add those to your team. And there's another place where Groudon would be useful. STAB'd Earthquake on Metagross or Drought powered Flamethrower, take your pick.
     
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