Rain Team

Unlimited NiGHTS

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    I plan on going on WiFi with this for all purposes possible, so it needs to be strong.

    Ludicolo @ Damp Rock; Rain Dish
    Calm; 204 HP, 120 Special Defense, 104 Speed, 80 Special Attack
    Surf
    Ice Beam
    Leech Seed
    Rain Dance

    My leader, who proves annoying with Rain Dish and Leech Seed, especially so considering the Damp Rock.

    Jolteon @ Leftovers; Volt Absorb
    Timid; 4 HP, 252 Speed, 252 Special Attack
    Thunder
    Hidden Power
    Agility
    Baton Pass

    Thunder takes advantage of the rain, Hidden Power will be Grass to take care of pesky Ground Pokémon, and the Agility and Baton Pass combination grants Speed to whomever may need it, such as Kingdra.

    Kabutops @ Life Orb; Swift Swim
    Adamant; 32 HP, 252 Attack, 120 Speed, 104 Defense
    Stone Edge
    Waterfall
    X-Scissor
    Rain Dance

    My favorite physical sweeper, even more so than Swampert. This is a Pokémon I've wanted to use for a very long time.

    Kingdra @ Life Orb; Swift Swim
    Naughty; 252 Special Attack, 16 Speed, 240 Attack
    Waterfall
    Dragon Pulse
    Hidden Power
    Rain Dance

    A special Sniper, for use with Jolteon. No, I won't get rid of the Scope Lens. Hidden Power is Electric here.

    Blissey @ Leftovers; Natural Cure
    Bold; 252 Defense, 100 Special Attack, 156 HP
    Seismic Toss
    Water Pulse
    Aromatherapy
    Softboiled

    I'm using Water Pulse over Ice Beam here to take advantage of the rain, and Water Pulse has a better chance of a side effect. I prefer the Pokémon damaging itself over not being able to move.

    Cresselia @ Leftovers; Levitate
    Bold; 144 Defense, 112 Special Defense, 252 HP
    Charge Beam
    Ice Beam
    Sleep Talk
    Rest

    A prototype physical wall and status absorber. I'm willing to consider some other Pokémon here, but I'm not sure what Pokémon both works well in rain and can be a physical wall at the same time.
     
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    Team is too reliant on Rain Dance (even for a Rain Dance team) and all the pokemon cover the same things. Seriously stuff like Magnezone are going to be a pain.
     
    Anti-Pop said:
    Team is too reliant on Rain Dance (even for a Rain Dance team) and all the pokemon cover the same things. Seriously stuff like Magnezone are going to be a pain.
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    Okay. Any ideas on how I fix that?
     
    Well you need a physical wall.

    Also it should be pretty obvious...get something that doesn't rely on the rain.
     
    Anti-Pop said:
    Well you need a physical wall.

    Also it should be pretty obvious...get something that doesn't rely on the rain.
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    "Something that doesn't rely on the rain" is a little too generic. I was hoping you had a specific suggestion. The physical wall would be an example of that.
     
    Unlimited NiGHTS said:
    "Something that doesn't rely on the rain" is a little too generic. I was hoping you had a specific suggestion. The physical wall would be an example of that.
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    Um you're supposed to make the team, not me. But if you insist...

    Anything that doesn't rely on the rain that fits into your team. that shouldn't be tough.

    As for a physical wall Donphan is probably your best bet.
     
    Anti-Pop said:
    Um you're supposed to make the team, not me. But if you insist...

    Anything that doesn't rely on the rain that fits into your team. that shouldn't be tough.

    As for a physical wall Donphan is probably your best bet.
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    Right, sorry...Donphan could work. I could switch it in against a predicted Thunder, in case Jolteon's already KO'd or I need an Earthquake. Would this work?

    Donphan @ Leftovers; Sturdy
    Impish; 4 Attack, 252 Defense, 252 HP
    Earthquake
    Ice Shard
    Knock Off
    Rapid Spin

    Also, I thought of using this before I saw your post.

    Bronzong @ Leftovers; Levitate
    Relaxed; 252 HP, 96 Defense, 8 Special Defense, 152 Attack
    Gyro Ball
    Earthquake
    Hypnosis
    Stealth Rock
     
    Unlimited NiGHTS said:
    Right, sorry...Donphan could work. I could switch it in against a predicted Thunder, in case Jolteon's already KO'd or I need an Earthquake. Would this work?

    Donphan @ Leftovers; Sturdy
    Impish; 4 Attack, 252 Defense, 252 HP
    Earthquake
    Ice Shard
    Knock Off
    Rapid Spin

    Also, I thought of using this before I saw your post.

    Bronzong @ Leftovers; Levitate
    Relaxed; 252 HP, 114 Defense, 144 Sp Defence
    Gyro Ball
    Earthquake
    Hypnosis
    Stealth Rock
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    No matter how many Attack EVs you have, you are only going to do damage to the fragile opponents. Might as well bulk him up a bit
     
    Um Bronzong's EVs are really messed up but yeah, it's fine. also Donphan has no business with Jolteon, HP Ice/Grass = gg Donphan.
     
    I'm going to keep the Kingdra the same, since it's the main reason why I'm using Jolteon anyway.

    Okay, I'll edit the team in a moment. Which is better, though: Donphan or Bronzong?
     
    Unlimited NiGHTS said:
    I'm going to keep the Kingdra the same, since it's the main reason why I'm using Jolteon anyway.

    Okay, I'll edit the team in a moment. Which is better, though: Donphan or Bronzong?
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    Um that's too broad of a question to answer.

    Also Jolteon is an overrated passer just to point that out. you won't be able to pull off many passes and by then that rain you so heavily rely on will be gone.

    Again relying on luck is a terrible idea since it rarely comes through for you.
     
    Anti-Pop said:
    Um that's too broad of a question to answer.

    Also Jolteon is an overrated passer just to point that out. you won't be able to pull off many passes and by then that rain you so heavily rely on will be gone.

    Again relying on luck is a terrible idea since it rarely comes through for you.
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    That may be, but I like luck sets.

    Who would I use, if not Jolteon?

    I mean for this team, which is better?
     
    Unlimited NiGHTS said:
    That may be, but I like luck sets.

    Who would I use, if not Jolteon?

    I mean for this team, which is better?
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    Vaporeon passes subs with more HP and gets boosted Surf in Rain.

    Vaporeon @ leftovers
    Bold
    252hp/ 148def/ 108spdef or spatk cant remember
    -Surf
    -Wish
    -Substitute
    -Baton pass
     
    Unlimited NiGHTS said:
    That may be, but I like luck sets.

    Who would I use, if not Jolteon?

    I mean for this team, which is better?
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    Well its not really lucky, 1/3 chance to crit, pretty good odds, but still relies on chance, although its actually a pretty nasty set, id run Hydro pump >> surf, if you get a crit with that it has the chance to ohko standard Blissey i believe and passing agility works wonders with it.
     
    I'm telling you I have a few logs of what happens when you rely on luck, only in the form of flinch hax Togekiss (which has a much better chance or working :0)

    Jolteon will get PHazed and if you manage to pull off the pass, Blissey will destroy you and Water Absorbers will also play mind games and make it really diffcult for Kingdra to sweep. I don't know what your HP type is but I hope it's electric, and Ice Beam NEEDS to go over Focus Energy.

    Really I've tried that set with a Scope Lens before, even then all Kingdra did was get KOed.

    Honestly Jolteon is a waste of a team slot when you can just give Kingdra Swift Swim, which suits it better on a Rain Dance team.
     
    Dark_Azelf said:
    Well its not really lucky, 1/3 chance to crit, pretty good odds, but still relies on chance, although its actually a pretty nasty set, id run Hydro pump >> surf, if you get a crit with that it has the chance to ohko standard Blissey i believe and passing agility works wonders with it.
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    All right, I'll try Hydro Pump instead.

    PhoenixFlare said:
    Vaporeon passes subs with more HP and gets boosted Surf in Rain.

    Vaporeon @ leftovers
    Bold
    252hp/ 148def/ 108spdef or spatk cant remember
    -Surf
    -Wish
    -Substitute
    -Baton pass
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    I need Agility to be Baton Passed, not necessarily Substitute.

    Anti-Pop said:
    I'm telling you I have a few logs of what happens when you rely on luck, only in the form of flinch hax Togekiss (which has a much better chance or working :0)

    Jolteon will get PHazed and if you manage to pull off the pass, Blissey will destroy you and Water Absorbers will also play mind games and make it really diffcult for Kingdra to sweep. I don't know what your HP type is but I hope it's electric, and Ice Beam NEEDS to go over Focus Energy.

    Really I've tried that set with a Scope Lens before, even then all Kingdra did was get KOed.

    Honestly Jolteon is a waste of a team slot when you can just give Kingdra Swift Swim, which suits it better on a Rain Dance team.
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    Yeah, but I'm usually really lucky when it comes to battling anyway, so relying on a little bit of luck won't hurt me. Yeah, Hidden Power is Electric.

    Maybe my luck's better than yours? *shrug*

    Besides, you still haven't answered which is better on this team. Donphan or Bronzong?
     
    I've told you it's too broad of a question. What sets are you going to use and what are their roles going to be?
     
    First off, know that relying on anything with lesser than 60% chance of happening is usually bad.

    Oh, Gyarados, Heracross, Mixmence weaknesses. Add a Physical wall.
     
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