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Old February 23rd, 2008 (11:30 AM). Edited March 14th, 2008 by Unlimited NiGHTS.
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    I give credit to Anti-Pop for helping me make this team. However, I'm still not certain if it's good enough to go for.

    Swampert @ Leftovers; Torrent
    Relaxed; 240 HP, 216 Defense, 52 Special Attack
    Hydro Pump
    Earthquake
    Ice Beam
    Roar

    Registeel @ Leftovers; Clear Body
    Relaxed; 252 HP, 56 Defense, 200 Special Defense
    Hammer Arm
    Explosion
    Stealth Rock
    Toxic

    Articuno @ Leftovers; Pressure
    Calm; 252 HP, 96 Defense, 160 Special Defense
    Ice Beam
    Roost
    Reflect
    Heal Bell

    Salamence @ Choice Band; Intimidate
    Adamant; 4 HP, 252 Attack, 252 Speed
    Dragon Claw
    Earthquake
    Flamethrower
    Stone Edge

    Tentacruel @ Leftovers; Liquid Ooze
    Calm; 204 HP, 172 Special Defense, 96 Special Attack, 36 Speed
    Surf
    Ice Beam
    Rapid Spin
    Toxic Spikes

    Gliscor @ Leftovers; Sand Veil
    Impish; 252 HP, 4 Attack, 252 Defense
    Earthquake
    Aerial Ace
    Knock Off
    Roost

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    Old February 23rd, 2008 (11:50 AM).
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    I give credit to Anti-Pop for helping me make this team. However, I'm still not certain if it's good enough to go for.

    Swampert @ Leftovers; Torrent
    Relaxed; 240 HP, 216 Defense, 52 Special Attack
    Surf
    Earthquake
    Ice Beam
    Roar

    Registeel SRs fine so Roar would be preferred.

    Registeel @ Leftovers; Clear Body
    Relaxed; 252 HP, 56 Defense, 200 Special Defense
    Stealth Rock
    Hammer Arm
    Toxic
    Explosion

    Attacking with Registeel is a bad idea. You could still use EQ over hammer arm but you have a problem with Porygon-Z.

    Articuno @ Leftovers; Pressure
    Calm; 252 HP / 96 Def / 160 SDef
    Ice Beam
    Roost
    Reflect
    Heal Bell

    With Swameprt to PHaze, Articuno will be able to use Reflect.

    Salamence @ Choice Band; Intimidate
    Adamant; 4 HP, 252 Attack, 252 Speed
    Dragon Claw
    Earthquake
    Fire Fang / Flamethrower
    Stone Edge

    If you really fear Skarmory then go ahead, but even then Stone Edging it is fun and there's a good chance of a crit.

    Starmie @ Leftovers; Natural Cure
    Timid; 172 HP, 120 Special Attack, 216 Speed
    Surf
    Thunderbolt
    Rapid Spin
    Recover

    Due to the fact that Gyarados massacres your team, go go go Thunderbolt!

    Gliscor @ Leftovers; Sand Veil
    Impish; 252 HP, 4 Attack, 252 Defense
    Earthquake
    Aerial Ace / Ice Fang
    Knock Off
    Roost

    fine.
    It's actually pretty good. you can tell I like this due to Articuno and Registeel being here

    It's actually pretty solid. Swampert is a bit annoying though.
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    Old February 23rd, 2008 (11:54 AM).
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      Thanks, Anti-Pop! I was hoping you'd post here.

      All fixes made.
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      Old February 23rd, 2008 (11:58 AM).
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      Just so you know Smogon's Articuno EVs aren't really that good. It needs special defense...

      Watch out for subseeders and crap.
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      Old February 23rd, 2008 (12:02 PM).
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        Articuno @ Leftovers; Pressure
        Calm; 252 HP, 76 Defense, 64 Special Attack, 120 Special Defense
        Ice Beam
        Roost
        Reflect
        Heal Bell
        Will that work, Anti-Pop?
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        Old February 23rd, 2008 (1:26 PM).
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        Just use 252 HP / 96 Def / 160 SDef with Calm. Articuno doesn't even need SAtk.
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          All right, done. Thanks, Anti-Pop!
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          Old February 23rd, 2008 (2:15 PM).
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          SD Weavile is a pest, but I suppose Registeel can take Brick Break and fire back Hammer Arm.
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          Old February 23rd, 2008 (2:18 PM).
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            I hope so. What would you recommend if not?
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            Old February 23rd, 2008 (2:35 PM).
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            Well that's going to have to do, just pray Brick Break doesn't score a critical hit...or that it doesn't have a Focus Sash (though Articuno can finish it)
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            Old February 23rd, 2008 (3:56 PM).
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              All right.

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              Old February 23rd, 2008 (6:46 PM). Edited March 1st, 2008 by Arcknight316.
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                If 'Vire gets a Motor Drive in and Swampy dies, then your only hope will be for Registeel to blow up, and blowing up isn't something that your Registeel, who provides plenty of support, is gonna wanna do.
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                  If 'Vire gets a Motor Drive in and Swampy dies, then your only hope will be for Registeel to blow up, and blowing up isn't something that your Registeel, who provides plenty of support, is gonna wanna do.
                  How would you solve this problem?
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                    How would you solve this problem?
                    Well....if you give Gliscor Yache Berry, it could survive Ice Punch and OHKO with EQ.
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                      Well....if you give Gliscor Yache Berry, it could survive Ice Punch and OHKO with EQ.
                      That could work. I'll try that.
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                      No Yache Berry on Gliscor, it needs Leftovers recovery.

                      Swampert is a good enough counter for Vire, and if it has HP Grass it probably lacks Ice Punch which means Gliscor can take it.
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                      Old February 28th, 2008 (3:28 PM).
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                        Oh. Okay then.

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                        Old March 1st, 2008 (1:30 PM). Edited March 1st, 2008 by Arcknight316.
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                          To reply to Anti-Pop....

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                          If 'Vire gets a Motor Drive in and Swampy dies, then your only hope will be for Registeel to blow up, and blowing up isn't something that your Registeel, who provides plenty of support, is gonna wanna do.
                          I specifically said THAT.

                          And BTW, just because a team has ONE Pokemon that doesn't die instantly to a threat doesn't make that team GOOD against it.
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                          Old March 1st, 2008 (1:36 PM).
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                            I think Anti-Pop's point was that either Swampert or Gliscor can handle Electivire, depending on whether it has Hidden Power or Ice Punch. So, if Electivire has Ice Punch, I counter with Swampert. If Electivire has Hidden Power, I counter with Gliscor. Most likely, Electivire won't have both.
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                              I think Anti-Pop's point was that either Swampert or Gliscor can handle Electivire, depending on whether it has Hidden Power or Ice Punch. So, if Electivire has Ice Punch, I counter with Swampert. If Electivire has Hidden Power, I counter with Gliscor. Most likely, Electivire won't have both.
                              I never said 'Vire would be the one killing Swampy. Some other Poke would.

                              And if a 'Vire has HP Grass, then that means it's Special orientated, and Gliscor dies to Special moves anyway.
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                                I never said 'Vire would be the one killing Swampy. Some other Poke would.

                                And if a 'Vire has HP Grass, then that means it's Special orientated, and Gliscor dies to Special moves anyway.
                                Electivire's Cross Chop will do a maximum of 149 damage to Registeel, and that doesn't look high to me. I can just kill it with Registeel's Hammer Arm if I really need to, what with Electivire's low Defense.
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                                  It's a good team, but the problem is 4 out of the 6 have double weaknesses.
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                                    It's a good team, but the problem is 4 out of the 6 have double weaknesses.
                                    That's not as much an issue as you might think. It would take an idiot to keep a Pokémon in battle against something it'll obviously lose to. It's like trying to use Swampert against Roserade; it won't end well for you.

                                    This is a switch-happy game, so don't think that those double weaknesses will be a problem.
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                                      That's not as much an issue as you might think. It would take an idiot to keep a Pokémon in battle against something it'll obviously lose to. It's like trying to use Swampert against Roserade; it won't end well for you.

                                      This is a switch-happy game, so don't think that those double weaknesses will be a problem.
                                      Good point. I need to switch more now that I think about it, I have 4 switch ins on my team.
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                                        Yeah.

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