Rant on Jaden Yuki's Deck's Theme

[Unlimited NiGHTS]

Elemental Heroes are not created equal.

For example, I can send "Metamorphosis" from my hand and "Elemental Hero Bubbleman" on my side of the field to the Graveyard to get "Elemental Hero Neo Bubbleman". I can't do that with "Elemental Hero Burstinatrix". In the anime, you could do that with "Elemental Hero Clayman" to get "Elemental Hero Clay Guardian", but that card never was printed in real life. And still, "Elemental Hero Sparkman", "Elemental Hero Avian", and "Elemental Hero Burstinatrix" should have the ability to morph like that as well.

Also, let's have a look at the "Neo-Spacian" monsters and their "extended" forms. There's a Normal Spell, "NEX", that powers up a "Neo-Spacian". For example, "Neo-Spacian Aqua Dolphin" becomes "Neo-Spacian Marine Dolphin". We even have an "Elemental Hero Marine Neos" to go with it. However, even though we have "Neo-Spacian Twinkle Moss" as the extended form of "Neo-Spacian Glow Moss", we don't have "Elemental Hero Twinkle Neos", and I doubt we're getting extended forms of the other four "Neo-Spacian" monsters, let alone "Elemental Hero Neos" Contact Fusing with them.

Also, when Jaden became the Supreme King, he ran an "Evil Hero" Deck, which contained "Evil Hero" versions of some of his "Elemental Hero" monsters. There's only one "Evil Hero" monster exclusive to its archetype: "Evil Hero Infernal Gainer". The rest are twisted, dark versions of "Elemental Hero" monsters. However, Jaden wasn't ruled by his dark side for long, and thus he didn't play many different "Evil Hero" monsters. As such, there are only a few "Evil Hero" monsters as opposed to a ton of "Elemental Hero" monsters. This just isn't fair.

Finally, "Super Polymerization" is supposed to be the ultimate Fusion Summoning card. It's not. First, it can only fuse monsters on the field. I can't fuse anything in my hand, in the Graveyard, etc. Second, it doesn't ignore the Summon conditions of the Fusion Monster it plays. "Evil Hero Dark Gaia", for example, has 1 Rock-Type monster and 1 Fiend-Type monster as its Fusion Material Monsters, but can only be played by "Dark Fusion". "Super Polymerization" was used in the anime to play it anyway, and should be able to do this in real life as well.

Honestly, there should be "Neo" versions of all "Elemental Hero" Normal Monsters, bar "Elemental Hero Neos". There should be Extended versions of all "Neo-Spacian" monsters, with "Neos" Contact Fused forms to go with them. And finally, there should be an "Evil Hero" for every "Elemental Hero" Fusion Monster, at the very least.

But just you watch. Konami won't make them.

Stupid morons. I guess I'll just have to do it myself. I'll give you one example of an idea I had.

"Elemental Hero Neo Avian"
WIND Warrior-Type/Effect
Level 3 ATK 1000 DEF 1000
This card cannot be Normal Summoned or Set. This card cannot be Special Summoned except from your hand or Deck by sending 1 "Metamorphosis" in your hand and 1 "Elemental Hero Avian" you control to the Graveyard. This card's name is treated as "Elemental Hero Avian" while it's face-up on the field. This card can attack twice in the same Battle Phase.

There. That's an idea Konami could use, but they most likely won't. Honestly, if you're going to make an archetype, complete it.

 

[Alter Ego]

Umm...you do realize that Metamorphosis is banned and not looking to become unbanned any time in the foreseeable future, right? It would be sort of pointless to make a card that's entirely dependent on a card you can't use. The neo e-heroes were made of epic fail anyway. I mean come on; who wants Neo Bubbleman when you can use that very same card to bring out Fiend Skull Dragon, Dark Balter the Terrible, Dark Blade the Dragon Knight, Reaper on the Nightmare, or even Cyber Twin Dragon or Cyber End Dragon? The poor thing never stood a chance in that competition. :\ Personally, I'm just thinking of this as Konami realizing what a dud card they made and not continuing down a path that no-one caress to follow.

On the neos fusions...I do get what you mean about the continuity here, but then it's not at all unusual for them to wait between sets in releasing. Contact Fusions for the rest may well pop up in future sets, or as promos when GX has become a somewhat more distant memory. The evil heroes are the ones I'd worry about least, though. They're still a new set and it's not at all uncommon for Konami to build on the existing ones with new additions later on (The D-Heroes, If you will recall, didn't start out with that many members either, and now look at them. :x). I guess it all depends on general interest and marketing trends. If evil heroes make a big splash in some tournament, they may very well get follow ups.

So um...yeah, I personally don't think Konami is stupid for finally giving heroes a rest and focusing on some other cards. But then, I never was a big fan of hero cards to begin with. *Shrug* Personally, I'm a lot more interested in entire types of monsters that have been neglected. Sea Serpents, anyone? Care to go and count the number of usable sea serpents out there? Or Fish for that matter? The poor things have been left high and dry (no pun intended), though I will commend Konami on finally giving plants a much-needed break with Gigaplant and Lonefire Blossom. Even frogs and Batterymen got a leg up in Light of Destruction (gawd, how long have those been left in the dark? xD), so I wouldn't give up the hope of seeing more set expansions so easily. Just give it a while; 5Ds is brand spanking new so you can expect focus to be on the cards showcased there for a while, synchros and psychics in particular, no doubt.

Finally, on Super Polymerization...well, that's the anime for you, always exaggerating card strengths in an attempt to add drama. I do agree that it should cover the dark fusions given its origins, but that's not for me to decide. Meh, again I can't really feel that strongly on the subject because I personally think there are so many more interesting cards about. But yeah, it's far from glorious, certainly, could at least have done with skipping that discard bit. :\


So yeah, just...less anger, please? Keep in mind that not everyone shares your taste in cards and that Konami has an awful lot of people to please (Me, I'd be badgering them for more fish and sea serpent. xD). Can't make a set that satisfies everyone, you know. That's what we have the You Make the Card thread for, anyway. xD

 

[Unlimited NiGHTS]

Umm...you do realize that Metamorphosis is banned and not looking to become unbanned any time in the foreseeable future, right? It would be sort of pointless to make a card that's entirely dependent on a card you can't use. The neo e-heroes were made of epic fail anyway. I mean come on; who wants Neo Bubbleman when you can use that very same card to bring out Fiend Skull Dragon, Dark Balter the Terrible, Dark Blade the Dragon Knight, Reaper on the Nightmare, or even Cyber Twin Dragon or Cyber End Dragon? The poor thing never stood a chance in that competition. :\ Personally, I'm just thinking of this as Konami realizing what a dud card they made and not continuing down a path that no-one caress to follow.

My point isn't that the cards would be bad, it's just that the theme is incomplete without them, and that bugs me. I don't care about what other uses "Metamorphosis" had, and I don't care if the cards suck monkey balls. They need to be there.

On the neos fusions...I do get what you mean about the continuity here, but then it's not at all unusual for them to wait between sets in releasing. Contact Fusions for the rest may well pop up in future sets, or as promos when GX has become a somewhat more distant memory. The evil heroes are the ones I'd worry about least, though. They're still a new set and it's not at all uncommon for Konami to build on the existing ones with new additions later on (The D-Heroes, If you will recall, didn't start out with that many members either, and now look at them. :x). I guess it all depends on general interest and marketing trends. If evil heroes make a big splash in some tournament, they may very well get follow ups.

That's true, but I haven't seen a "Neo-Spacian Shadow Panther" or something on the Yu-Gi-Oh! Wiki, while I have seen "Neos Wiseman" and "Elemental Hero God Neos", which just is not fair, especially considering Jaden himself called "Elemental Hero God Neos" the "final and ultimate Hero". Also, I doubt they'll make anything more for the "Evil Hero" theme, except maybe "Evil Blast" (which doesn't fit in their theme at all, only in a Supreme King character Deck). My reason for this opinion is that Jaden wasn't the Supreme King for long, and thus didn't get the chance to play many "Evil Hero" monsters, and the ones in the anime are already fully covered.

So um...yeah, I personally don't think Konami is stupid for finally giving heroes a rest and focusing on some other cards. But then, I never was a big fan of hero cards to begin with. *Shrug* Personally, I'm a lot more interested in entire types of monsters that have been neglected. Sea Serpents, anyone? Care to go and count the number of usable sea serpents out there? Or Fish for that matter? The poor things have been left high and dry (no pun intended), though I will commend Konami on finally giving plants a much-needed break with Gigaplant and Lonefire Blossom. Even frogs and Batterymen got a leg up in Light of Destruction (gawd, how long have those been left in the dark? xD), so I wouldn't give up the hope of seeing more set expansions so easily. Just give it a while; 5Ds is brand spanking new so you can expect focus to be on the cards showcased there for a while, synchros and psychics in particular, no doubt.

I have no problem with you not liking the Hero Set. Heck, the TCG has exactly 160 cards in the Hero Set, plus the three "Yubel" monsters, which is a hell of a lot to collect. And they just keep coming, too. I, too, would love to see support for Reptile-Type monsters that isn't for "Venom" or "Alien" themes, support for Sea Serpent-Type monsters, and other such things. But honestly, if you're going to start a theme, you really need to finish it. That's why I'm bugged by the absence of cards like "Elemental Hero Twinkle Neos" and "Neo-Spacian Firestorm Scarab".

Finally, on Super Polymerization...well, that's the anime for you, always exaggerating card strengths in an attempt to add drama. I do agree that it should cover the dark fusions given its origins, but that's not for me to decide. Meh, again I can't really feel that strongly on the subject because I personally think there are so many more interesting cards about. But yeah, it's far from glorious, certainly, could at least have done with skipping that discard bit. :\

I know. "Neos Wiseman", for example, isn't even a Fusion Monster. It can't Special Summon "Elemental Hero Neos" from the Graveyard when destroyed by battle, either. Still, it really bugs me that the "ultimate Fusion Summon card" is so pathetic.

So yeah, just...less anger, please? Keep in mind that not everyone shares your taste in cards and that Konami has an awful lot of people to please (Me, I'd be badgering them for more fish and sea serpent. xD). Can't make a set that satisfies everyone, you know. That's what we have the You Make the Card thread for, anyway. xD

I'm aware of that, but it's a terrible thing to let things go unfinished. I'm sure you agree with that, yes?

 

[Alter Ego]

My point isn't that the cards would be bad, it's just that the theme is incomplete without them, and that bugs me. I don't care about what other uses "Metamorphosis" had, and I don't care if the cards suck monkey balls. They need to be there.

And my point is that they most likely won't make a card that only works in conjunction with a banned card. Personally, I think they should just have settled for putting them in the fusion deck and making you discard Polymerization instead. Seems a lot more applicable to me, which in turn adds more point to the cards themselves, besides the collecting thing. :3

That's true, but I haven't seen a "Neo-Spacian Shadow Panther" or something on the Yu-Gi-Oh! Wiki, while I have seen "Neos Wiseman" and "Elemental Hero God Neos", which just is not fair, especially considering Jaden himself called "Elemental Hero God Neos" the "final and ultimate Hero". Also, I doubt they'll make anything more for the "Evil Hero" theme, except maybe "Evil Blast" (which doesn't fit in their theme at all, only in a Supreme King character Deck). My reason for this opinion is that Jaden wasn't the Supreme King for long, and thus didn't get the chance to play many "Evil Hero" monsters, and the ones in the anime are already fully covered.

But then, the most prominent E-hero in the game wasn't even touched upon in the anime. (Stratos, anyone?) Just because it isn't covered in the anime it doesn't mean that the OCG won't spawn it. The likelihood can be debated, but there's always a chance. And in a way I suppose that it's to be expected that a card hailed as the 'ultimate' would get released sooner; easier to market, you know. ;D

I'm aware of that, but it's a terrible thing to let things go unfinished. I'm sure you agree with that, yes?

You're something of a collector, aren't you? xD But yes, I can see why that would annoy you. It's sort of how I feel about the dark scorpions; a theme that was released half-arsedly with no real chance of succeeding and then just abandoned. Ah well, I can content myself with my own fakies. xD

 

[Unlimited NiGHTS]

And my point is that they most likely won't make a card that only works in conjunction with a banned card. Personally, I think they should just have settled for putting them in the fusion deck and making you discard Polymerization instead. Seems a lot more applicable to me, which in turn adds more point to the cards themselves, besides the collecting thing. :3

That function doesn't really make sense to me, since it's meant to be a transformation, not putting multiples together. But yes, I see your point.

But then, the most prominent E-hero in the game wasn't even touched upon in the anime. (Stratos, anyone?) Just because it isn't covered in the anime it doesn't mean that the OCG won't spawn it. The likelihood can be debated, but there's always a chance. And in a way I suppose that it's to be expected that a card hailed as the 'ultimate' would get released sooner; easier to market, you know. ;D

That's because he's not element-based, he's environment-based. He's used in the manga.

You're something of a collector, aren't you? xD But yes, I can see why that would annoy you. It's sort of how I feel about the dark scorpions; a theme that was released half-arsedly with no real chance of succeeding and then just abandoned. Ah well, I can content myself with my own fakies. xD

Yeah, I'm a better collector than Duelist anyway. And yeah, the "Dark Scorpion" theme was shamelessly left behind. I miss seeing them around, really.