Rate...Please....thanks.....(please let this through guy who gives me infractions!?!)

[Divine~Deoxys]

:nervous:Please let this through dudes!!:'(

Okay, just so you know, this is for if Lati@s DO get declared fit for OU, if not i shall use differnet pokes instead.

Latios @ Leftovers
Naive
252spd,252sp.atk,4hp
Dragon Pulse
Psychic/Substitute
Grass Knot
Calm Mind

Calm Mind to set up my other moves, although substitute might make this easier, i am not sure whether to drop Psychic for it. Special Sweeper.

Latias @ Leftovers
Calm
200hp,200spd,108sp.def
Mist Ball
Wish
Psycho Shift
Protect

Nothing like the smogon sets, as i am using it as a special wall, not a sweeper.

Dragonite @ Leftovers
Jolly
252atk,252spd,4hp
Outrage
Dragon Dance
Fire Punch
Earthquake

Physical sweeper. Probably makes this a bit Dragon-heavy, but hey, that's just how i roll.

Suicune @ Leftovers
Bold
252hp,252def,4sp.atk
Surf
Ice Beam
Reflect
Roar

Made for durability, but without a healing move of its own, so if Latias is down, i'm screwed. can hit what the Dragons can't.

Gengar @ Life Orb
Timid
252sp.atk,252spd,4hp
Shadow Ball
Thunderbolt
Focus Blast
Hypnosis

Just standard for me thanks. After the Lati@s and my Lucario i am not very confident at making my own sets.

Lucario @ Leftovers
Naive
200atk,200spd,108sp.atk (coz the only one is STAB boosted anyway)
Aura Sphere
Extremespeed
Substitute
Focus Punch

Sub-puncher that can sub before it gets hit itself. ucario are awesome, hope i haven't ruined one.

So, like i said, this is for if the Latis ARE declared OU, and it's very dragon heavy, but i just think these three are cool, even more than all other dragons, the other three in the team, and penguins.

 

[Archer]

Good luck with the Latis getting into OU.

1. If Latios is running CM, then you should give it some HP EVs over SAtk. And why on Earth is it naive? Timid please.

2. Mist Ball is pretty Sad. You get 8 hits and can't do a thing to Dark Pokemon. Protect is a waste of a slot. Run Dragon Pulse so you can hit things. You do realise that after a calm mind, Latios is going to take hits better, no? Run a steel to take some Dragon/Ice hits.

3. Check some speed tiers list and reconsider those EVs. Also, how do you expect to get this in, if you are leading with something with the same weaknesses?

4. Suicune wants Resttalking or CM & Rest. That is too physically bulky for something that can wall decently on both sides of the spectrum.

5. Latios is an adequate sweeper.

6. Those EVs are sickening. Luke is too slow to outrun the things that are likely to OHKO it.

Summary - You have a HUGE Weavile weak. Suicune is the only thing that isn't weak to it, but there are better Physical Walls. Three of the same type kills this team and the Latis are so similar, that it just seems like you're looking for a way around species clause. Rethink the entire team structure. If you're not sure how to build a decent team, check this out.

 

[Aquilae]

Great.. people putting two Lati's in a team and use subpar movesets make me want to argue the Lati's back to Uber..

Anyways, Weavile weak, and Ttar can come in 5/6 of your team. Mist Ball is an inferior move, 8 PP, 70% acc, 70 power is not worth it. Running Latias as is Wishpasser is not good since Pursuiters will switch in for free and do you in.

Even with Reflect, Suicune isn't going to wall physical attackers anytime soon. 100/115 with no reliable recovery and no notable resistances make it a poor choice for a physical wall. I recommend ditching Suicune for something else.

As it stands, three dragons are redundant on a team, 3x Ice weakness, 2x Pursuit weak is really detrimental to your team. I recommend Latias be ditched as it isn't doing anything at all.

Latios WANTS Modest/Timid, not Naive as it hinders your ability to take random Ice Beams, <Insert name of Steel type here> walls your whole set. As such, Latios is a poor choice for a CMer due to it being walled easily. I recommend something else over Latios, as it does not help your team much not being able to sweep effectively, and Metagross/Jirachi walls your whole team sans Dragonite.

SubPunching Lucario is an extremely inferior choice given the existence of Close Combat, 120 BP Fighting move that rips through stuff. Don't go mixed with Lucario, Aura Sphere won't hit anything that walls the conventional Lucarios - Gyarados, Gliscor among other Flying types.
Just go SDLuke:

Lucario @ Life Orb
Adamant, 252 Attack, 252 Speed, 6 whatever
Swords Dance
Close Combat
Extremespeed/Bullet Punch
Crunch/Bullet Punch/Stone Edge

Lead with Gar, it makes a much more effective lead than Latios, which carries the risk of being Pursuited, and gets walled by Bronzong and beaten by other leads, most notably Gengar.

Smogon Analysis for Lati@s is for Uber play, so it should not be taken for standard OU play. As such, I cannot recommend any sets for a special wall Latias, but it is ruined by the Ice weak and its initial defence (80/90). 80/130 isn't stellar, it pretty much needs CM to survive special attacks.

Edit: Dragons are uncool. Go use Bugs, something like Shuckle in SS

 

[Divine~Deoxys]

Okay, so SDluke, Timid Latios, drop Latias for this stalling Regigigas:

Regigigas @ Leftovers
Adamant
252hp,252atk,4def
Confuse Ray/Avalanche????
Thunder Wave
Fire Punch (haha Weavile)
EQ

This would be a stalling lead. Fire Punch says "screw you Weavile!" and EQ deals with T-tar. Confuse Ray as the aim of this is to stall out slow start, the same for T-wave, although that stil works regardless of switches. Could i put Avalanche in there instead of Confuse Ray and take advantage of Slow Start?

 

[Anti]

Fire Punch for Weavile is absolutely worthless considering slow Start makes your attack horrible (230 max) and it can beat you down quickly with Brick Break...not to mention STAB Return does more damage to it. Fire Punch is really only good for ghosts and perhaps Bronzong. That's about it.

I just wouldn't use Regigigas, as your team can't really support it.

 

[The Beast]

I think they're all cool because they all have their own different movesets and skill tutor moves.

 

[Divine~Deoxys]

I just wouldn't use Regigigas, as your team can't really support it.

Not a complaint, but wadda you mean? Do you mean i don't have a cleric to heal it?I will scrap it anyway, but i'm curious.

Suicune @ Leftovers
Bold
128hp,124def,128sp.def,128sp.atk,
Surf
Ice Beam
Rest
Sleep Talk

Is this Suicune better?
I was thinking of using this as a tank and putting one these in:

Weavile @ Life Orb
Jolly
252atk,216spd,42hp
Swords Dance
Night Slash
Brick Break
Ice Shard

SDvile

Medicham @ Choice Scarf
Adamant
252spd,216atk,36def
T-punch
Firepunch
Substitute
Focus Punch

Sub-punching Medicham. Dunno why cham is BL, its quite good.

Would either of these two do well in my team?

 

[luke]

Yes because a Choice item and substitute go great together.

 

[Dark Azelf]

Not a complaint, but wadda you mean? Do you mean i don't have a cleric to heal it?I will scrap it anyway, but i'm curious.

Suicune @ Leftovers
Bold
128hp,124def,128sp.def,128sp.atk,
Surf
Ice Beam
Rest
Sleep Talk

Is this Suicune better?
I was thinking of using this as a tank and putting one these in:

Weavile @ Life Orb
Jolly
252atk,216spd,42hp
Swords Dance
Night Slash
Brick Break
Ice Shard

SDvile

Medicham @ Choice Scarf
Adamant
252spd,216atk,36def
T-punch
Firepunch
Substitute
Focus Punch

Sub-punching Medicham. Dunno why cham is BL, its quite good.

Would either of these two do well in my team?

Bad evs and CM >> Ice Beam.

Suicune@Leftovers
252 HP / 252 DEF / 6 HP
Bold Nature
- Calm Mind
- Surf
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

Yes because a Choice item and substitute go great together.

LOL XD

 

[Divine~Deoxys]

Bad evs and CM >> Ice Beam.

Suicune@Leftovers
252 HP / 252 DEF / 6 HP
Bold Nature
- Calm Mind
- Surf
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

Hmm....what about if it was a mixed wall, rather than a physical one? That was what i was aiming for.

Yes because a Choice item and substitute go great together.

Oops, i should have put lefties, wasn't thinking.

Okay, how does this linup sound?
Weavile-one from last post
Latios-special sweep
Suicune-mixwall
Dragonite-physical
Gengar-top of thread
Lucario-SDluke

 

[Azonic]

Weavile rampages through 5 / 6 of this team, and yet no true Weavile counter. Tyranitar does too, and it will Dragon Dance on the switch. It won't be afraid of Lucario. You need to be playing with your lineup a bit. I'd suggest removing the Latis since they are the main source of your weakness and you won't be getting into many battles anyways. You have yet to get a strong wall in this team.

 

[Dark Azelf]

Hmm....what about if it was a mixed wall, rather than a physical one? That was what i was aiming for.


Oops, i should have put lefties, wasn't thinking.

Okay, how does this linup sound?
Weavile-one from last post
Latios-special sweep
Suicune-mixwall
Dragonite-physical
Gengar-top of thread
Lucario-SDluke

Well, you will get a mixed tank after a few Calm minds.

 

[Divine~Deoxys]

What instead of Latios? He really suits my style (yes, i have one, its just not very tactical).

Okay, what should replace Latios? It really suits my style of sweeping without tactics.

 

[Azonic]

Kay, I must have missed your new lineup. It still is hugely weak to Tyranitar and Weavile. Suicune is your only hope to counter them.

 

[Divine~Deoxys]

Yeah, you're right, although that was the reason i put Aura Sphere on Lucario, just everyone said it was rubbish. Dunno how really, with perfect accuracy.

 

[Anti]

All of Lucario's other moves that are actually viable on it have 100 accuracy anyways >.>

And yeah, Suicune can't wall special attackers until it has one or two CMs in...meaning it can't wall them since walls have to switch into attacks.

clade is absolutely right...you HAVE to put in more walling than Suicune. Throw a bulky ground and a special wall in there.

 

[Sora_8920]

All of Lucario's other moves that are actually viable on it have 100 accuracy anyways >.>

And yeah, Suicune can't wall special attackers until it has one or two CMs in...meaning it can't wall them since walls have to switch into attacks.

clade is absolutely right...you HAVE to put in more walling than Suicune. Throw a bulky ground and a special wall in there.

Mm... Yeah, you may want to go Donphan and Snorlax does great if you don't want Blissey.

 

[Divine~Deoxys]

Okay, should i drop Suicune then?

How about these guys?:

Snorlax @ Leftovers
Thick Fat
Impish
244hp,28def,236sp.def
Roar
Toxic
Rest
Sleep Talk

Does this work or not? I was aiming for it to be a poke that baasicly Toxics and removes, with Sleep Talk meaning it can do this mmost of the time.

Torterra @ Leftovers
Jolly (not impish as i want to outrun Snorlax and Blissey if possible)
212hp,252def,44atk/spd (which would i benefit from?)
Wood Hammer
EQ
Stealth Rock
Leech Seed

OR

Steelix @ Leftovers
Impish
Rock Head
252hp,120sp.def,136sp.atk
EQ
Stone Edge
Stealth Rock
Ice/Thunder/Fire Fang/Gyro Ball

I know these are both BL on Smogon, but that doesn't mean they're no good. Torterra's Wood Hammer & EQ combo means it can hit Fire,Steel,Rock,Water,and Ground super-effectively, although probably not hitting them that hard. Steelix could hit a few super-effectively, although with its crummy attack i duno what difference it would make. But, it could hit most Dragons hard with Stone Edge, and Stealth Rock hurts those foolish enough to switch in. Dunno which fang to use. Thunder could hit Dos hard enough to 2HKO it, Ice could be another option for Dragons, as well as hurting Torterra and other Grass types, Fire could hit Grass again, as well as other Steels, although the only thing that could do better than EQ is hit Skarm & Levitating Bronzong. The other option would be Gyro Ball, although EQ can hit rocks, and SE can hit Ice types.

 

[Sora_8920]

Okay, should i drop Suicune then?

How about these guys?:

Snorlax @ Leftovers
Thick Fat
Impish
244hp,28def,236sp.def
Roar
Toxic
Rest
Sleep Talk

Does this work or not? I was aiming for it to be a poke that baasicly Toxics and removes, with Sleep Talk meaning it can do this mmost of the time.

Torterra @ Leftovers
Jolly (not impish as i want to outrun Snorlax and Blissey if possible)
212hp,252def,44atk/spd (which would i benefit from?)
Wood Hammer
EQ
Stealth Rock
Leech Seed

OR

Steelix @ Leftovers
Impish
Rock Head
252hp,120sp.def,136sp.atk
EQ
Stone Edge
Stealth Rock
Ice/Thunder/Fire Fang/Gyro Ball

I know these are both BL on Smogon, but that doesn't mean they're no good. Torterra's Wood Hammer & EQ combo means it can hit Fire,Steel,Rock,Water,and Ground super-effectively, although probably not hitting them that hard. Steelix could hit a few super-effectively, although with its crummy attack i duno what difference it would make. But, it could hit most Dragons hard with Stone Edge, and Stealth Rock hurts those foolish enough to switch in. Dunno which fang to use. Thunder could hit Dos hard enough to 2HKO it, Ice could be another option for Dragons, as well as hurting Torterra and other Grass types, Fire could hit Grass again, as well as other Steels, although the only thing that could do better than EQ is hit Skarm & Levitating Bronzong. The other option would be Gyro Ball, although EQ can hit rocks, and SE can hit Ice types.

Depends, unless you're an offensive-person, 1-2 Walls is probably what you want to go for. :0

44 speed does nothing for Torterra, go attack, and that Snorlax set is pretty much screwed, so you may want to scrap. I like the notion, though, go stalling. >:0

Anyways, go max special defense, or special sweepers like Azelf and the likes, > you. Needs moar defense, though, or the powa of walling is reduced. >:0

But to sum it up, I like the creativity you're trying to come up with, but if you want something novelty, stuff like Rock Polish Rhyperior should help you on that.

 

[Dark Azelf]

I think you mean sp.def evs on steelix and not sp.att.