Reputation announcement feedback.

[Condulimassos]

I didn't like the system in the first place,although it's great as it is now.
Too many people were obsessed with having +9000 green blocks,which led to favors and rep trades.This overshadowed the real meaning of the system-to be classified on your overall help on community matters.Right now,with the green blocks gone,we can finally make more quality posts,as now we are actually getting constructive criticism!*gasp*

 

[>Feelings<]

Yeah, I'm happy that the only thing that tried harming my free will to speak up my opinion is gone.

For example:
When I said this to the moderator named Amachi:

It's probably because you had a huge amount of Positive Rep. Otherwise, you would have hated the abuse too.

Some person used the new system commented my post with

Fail assumption about Amachi

This person probably posted the comment to me without getting the point of what I said in the first place.
But the best part is: I don't care at all. Isn't that lovely how I can completely stop caring about these comments now?

So yeah, I love the change that has been done, and I would like this change to remain until all the people in Pokecommunity become eligible to use the older reputation system, which is by taking out the actual task with that reputation feature that was meant to be done.

as now we are actually getting constructive criticism!*gasp*

Yes, I believe soon enough, if not all, then at least most of the comments I will receive from now on will actually be constructive criticism rather than a crappy comment of how much that person hates me revealing the truth or something similar.
For one, I might use this system if I see other people using it in a nice way. Otherwise, I'll totally ignore it.

 

[Pazuzu]

Yeah, I'm happy that the only thing that tried harming my free will to speak up my opinion is gone.

That made me laugh so hard, really. XD

 

[>Feelings<]

That made me laugh so hard, really. XD

Why? Is there something gramatically wrong with that sentence? Or is it just funny? Or is it both?

 

[The Red Chain]

OMG, thank god that something was done.

I hope that rep is something never mentioned again.

Rep isn't gone, Spey. >:
It still exists, just the point system is gone.
Negative and positive comments are still possible, but this time it's pointless for you to whine about negative comments, be it that no points are taken off this time around.

thank the freakin' lord we don't have to hear it anymore.

 

[>Feelings<]

Rep isn't gone, Spey. >:
It still exists, just the point system is gone.
Negative and positive comments are still possible, but this time it's pointless for you to whine about negative comments, be it that no points will be taken off.
thank the freakin' lord.

No matter what you say, logically thinking, rep really is gone.
It isn't rep anymore if other people can't know that you have such a thing as a negative comment or positive comment.

 

[The Red Chain]

No matter what you say, logically thinking, rep really is gone.
It isn't rep anymore if other people can't know that you have such a thing as a negative comment or positive comment.

Rep is entirely dependent on how you post, you don't need little green bars to show if you are an awesome poster or not, amirite?

 

[Cherrim]

If all you cared about were some little images in your post, then yes, rep is gone. If you ever paid attention to what was important about rep--and that's the feedback (positive or negative) you got on your posts, then it's still very much here and simply under a different name.

If you think rep was the former, you're the exact kind of person who made us change the system.

 

[Ho-Oh]

[jq]No matter what you say, logically thinking, rep really is gone.
It isn't rep anymore if other people can't know that you have such a thing as a negative comment or positive comment.[/jq]"good name; repute; character"

... is the definition of reputation according to the dictionary in front of me. Surprisingly, "reputation" does not equal a positive or negative number according to most dictionaries. People can either use the term post comments or reputation, since neither are set as only being negative and positive comments. And now getting to another point... XD;

Your reputation is how other people see you, not negative or positive comments people may say about you.

But seriously, I don't.. see why people miss it so much. Since post comments are basic and without positive and negative reputation... we should totally be able to see who gave us post comments, as they're generally positive... and since staff aren't going to do anything about bad post comments, the users should know so they could sort out their own problems? o3o;

 

[Mobile Tsk]

If all you cared about were some little images in your post, then yes, rep is gone. If you ever paid attention to what was important about rep--and that's the feedback (positive or negative) you got on your posts, then it's still very much here and simply under a different name.

If you think rep was the former, you're the exact kind of person who made us change the system.

Well, honestly, Erica, I think everyone was more concerned with the points, the images, and their rep altering power from the beginning. Even if the comments were supposed to be more important, they never were because the comments rarely provided legit feedback.

 

[>Feelings<]

Rep is entirely dependent on how you post, you don't need little green bars to show if you are an awesome poster or not, amirite?

Yeah, you're exactly right. But I was talking about the reputation system...
If its real rep you're talking about, then it's another matter.
So let me rephrase what I said earlier: "I love how the green bars are gone now."

You're now sounding like you really cared about it and the very definition of rep are those little green blocks.

It goes far deeper than that, though. XD;

I do sound like that? Actually, I hated the green blocks alone, and the way the rep system was used - not the rep thing itself...

If all you cared about were some little images in your post, then yes, rep is gone. If you ever paid attention to what was important about rep--and that's the feedback (positive or negative) you got on your posts, then it's still very much here and simply under a different name.

If you think rep was the former, you're the exact kind of person who made us change the system.

Maybe the bolded out part is true, but even if it is, I'm proud that I contributed to the death of this system.

To be clear about what I mean, I didn't care about the green images, but I did care about the fact that people would ignore my posts if they saw less green images or more red images attached to myself.

Also, I always paid attention to the real point of rep, and the part important about rep, but did the real and important part of rep actually get followed in the past by all the people who used rep? No, it didn't.

For the feedback part that you mentioned, if I actually received constructive, meaningful feedback like "You should improve your grammar", "Nice and detailed post you made there", "Please, don't bring about religion related issues to start a war in this way in such topics", "Your post was helpful and truthful", I would have not complained if these were the types of feedback that I received, and instead would have loved the rep system.
But no. That's not the case.
Most feedback comments that people complained were probably like "I hate you", "Why do you bother posting", "I don't think charmander is a good Pokemon, and therfore you deserve a negative rep", "You have a bad looking avatar", "I hate you so much", "I don't agree with you a bit, and therefore you deserve a negative rep", and unclear ones like the one that I got a while back saying "Fail assumption about Amachi".
That's why I said all the things that I said.



Here is a little piece of truth that I'd like to remind people before I finish:

they never were because the comments rarely provided legit feedback.

And that is all...

 

[Cherrim]

Actually, most complaints about negative rep we got were unneeded. ie, someone would complain about someone giving them bad rep when they actually deserved it. It was even worse when someone would send a PM with a list of every bad rep they got and request we remove all of it for being "unfair" when ALL of it was legitimate. :/

For the most part, we admins really had no problem deleting rep that really WAS pointless. But most requests we got were just people too butthurt to deal with the fact that someone might have disliked some of their posts and gave them a red pip (even if it took off maybe like 3 rep points) and those are the people who ruined the system for us.

 

[Mobile Tsk]

Actually, most complaints about negative rep we got were unneeded. ie, someone would complain about someone giving them bad rep when they actually deserved it. It was even worse when someone would send a PM with a list of every bad rep they got and request we remove all of it for being "unfair" when ALL of it was legitimate. :/

For the most part, we admins really had no problem deleting rep that really WAS pointless. But most requests we got were just people too butthurt to deal with the fact that someone might have disliked some of their posts and gave them a red pip (even if it took off maybe like 3 rep points) and those are the people who ruined the system for us.

There were problems on both ends I suppose. But I almost never received a negrep that I could make sense of. I rarely reported the reps though, because they'd only take away 2 or 3 points. It's hard to focus on the comments when the comments aren't real feedback.

Although what you said is also blatantly true because when a rep was deleted it was deleted from both user CPs. And that has turned into quite a few discussions on MSN. There was one particular person who unknowingly became notorious for that behavior because everyone could see that their reps were being reversed.

But either way I can't say that all negreps given since the system was reinstated provided legit feedback on how not to get another negrep while posting, which is generally what they are supposed to do. (eg. "Your post was bad because _______________")

 

[Cherrim]

Well, the system was also revamped to counter those people who left useless reps, good and bad. It was just triggered because we were so sick of the -rep whining. :P At least with comment-only, if you want your "rep" to have any sense at all, it has to say something--preferably something productive so people will know if it's positive or negative.

 

[Mobile Tsk]

Well, the system was also revamped to counter those people who left useless reps, good and bad. It was just triggered because we were so sick of the -rep whining. :P At least with comment-only, if you want your "rep" to have any sense at all, it has to say something--preferably something productive so people will know if it's positive or negative.

Yeah, I do like that it can now be used as somewhat of a C+C system for posts. I don't plan on using it horribly often, but I still find it nice to be able to let people know what you think of their posts without having to worry about them getting upset about getting negrepped. I think no matter what this system is clearly much more suitable for this type of forum.

 

[FoggyDoggy]

I know I already posted in this thread, but I have a point to get across that I feel I should say.
(I know people probably already know this, but I wanna say it still, lol)

As I said before, I am glad reputation is gone, but I have more of a reason now...
Now people won't think a certain person isn't so great because of the number of green squares near there names, and can now focus on the quality of said person's posts.
I still think it would be nice to have the option to hide your number of posts as well (As to stop people from thinking that post numbers count as well. I can't hide it, I too used to think that post numbers played an important role in a person's status on the forums, until I had THIS little epiphany.)
I personally think that would be a nice feature, along with the removal of reputation, what y'all think?

 

[Banjora Marxvile]

Removal of posts is too far to me, 0m3GA, as then what if you are new, and don't know post count, and are too scared to ask how to see it? You wouldn't know when you can post images.

Anyway, FINALLY, rep has gone. I hated it, if I am honest. Yay I got the occasional green rep, but it was abused to hell, made people argue, pointless posts etc. I am glad now, allows me to put my opinions in posts, and not be neg-repped for stupid reasons.

 

[Mobile Tsk]

I know I already posted in this thread, but I have a point to get across that I feel I should say.
(I know people probably already know this, but I wanna say it still, lol)

As I said before, I am glad reputation is gone, but I have more of a reason now...
Now people won't think a certain person isn't so great because of the number of green squares near there names, and can now focus on the quality of said person's posts.
I still think it would be nice to have the option to hide your number of posts as well (As to stop people from thinking that post numbers count as well. I can't hide it, I too used to think that post numbers played an important role in a person's status on the forums, until I had THIS little epiphany.)
I personally think that would be a nice feature, along with the removal of reputation, what y'all think?

Post count is used to gauge certain things such as when blog priveleges are given out, when pictures and links can be posted, etc. It's also a linear system that "rewards" people consistently: make a post, your post count goes up. If people "abuse" the system, they are likely spamming which is a violation that is not exacerbated heavily by the inclusion of a visible post count. Therefore, there is no evidence that hiding post count would deliver any positive results.

 

[FoggyDoggy]

Post count is used to gauge certain things such as when blog priveleges are given out, when pictures and links can be posted, etc. It's also a linear system that "rewards" people consistently: make a post, your post count goes up. If people "abuse" the system, they are likely spamming which is a violation that is not exacerbated heavily by the inclusion of a visible post count. Therefore, there is no evidence that hiding post count would deliver any positive results.

Oh, lol, I thought the 5000 posts=blog privileges thing was automated. (One of the few things that could possibly be so.)

I guess you have a point, but if someone is spamming, people would report it, I mean, that IS what you are supposed to do, report spam...
I was only thinking that the option of hiding your post count would be nice for people who don't want people judging them by that either. Just a suggestion, didn't think it would happen, wasn't hurting anything.

 

[Mobile Tsk]

Oh, lol, I thought the 5000 posts=blog privileges thing was automated. (One of the few things that could possibly be so.)

I guess you have a point, but if someone is spamming, people would report it, I mean, that IS what you are supposed to do, report spam...
I was only thinking that the option of hiding your post count would be nice for people who don't want people judging them by that either. Just a suggestion, didn't think it would happen, wasn't hurting anything.

It is automated but it's still rather nice to know "This person has a blog because (s)he has x posts"

But I don't think post count has ever been seriously used as a ranking system.