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oh and also firestar stopnputtin muscle band on everything, have lefties on steelix and lifeorb on ttar or summin,NEVER EVER use rockslude on ttar, u already have a 80 power accurate stab move (crunch) so wats the point?
 
FinalPaladin said:
oh and also firestar stopnputtin muscle band on everything, have lefties on steelix and lifeorb on ttar or summin,NEVER EVER use rockslude on ttar, u already have a 80 power accurate stab move (crunch) so wats the point?
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Rock Slide and Crunch are used for entirely different threats. Rock Slide hits Flying- and Ice-Types and Crunch hits Ghost/Psychic.
 
rockslide is unneeded when u can have stoneedge
 
hey Im new to this so please bare with me Im looking for a dark and ice squad based around

froslass and umbreon

I do not wnna use houndoom or pre/vos
swinub and evo's
or jynx as I dislike these pokemon and the whole point is to use pokemon I do like

also the teams for double battles any help and I would be so greatfull =]
 
Ok, my team is nearly done I think, but how about this;

Linoone @ Choice Scarf
Jolly
EVs: 252Spe/252Atk/4HP
Moveset:
Shadow Claw
Hyper Fang
Dig
Iron Tail

Kingdra @ Choice Specs
Timid
EVs: 252Sp.Atk/252Spe/4HP
Moveset:
Draco Meteor
Surf
Hydro Pump
Dragon Pulse

Tyranitar @ Life Orb
Brave (+Atk-Spe)
EVs: 252Atk/152Spe/104Def
Moveset:
Dragon Dance
Stone Edge
Crunch
Aqua Tail/EQ (Can't decide)

Steelix @ Leftovers
Adamant
EVs: 252Atk/152Def/104HP
Earthquake
Gyro ball
Stone Edge
Explosion/Fire fang/Ice fang (Probably going towards FF but again, can't decide)

Celebi @ Meadow Plate
Modest
EVs: 252Sp.ATk/252Spe/4HP
Moveset:
HP Fire
T-Wave
Leaf Storm
Recover

Jolteon @ Choice Specs
Naive (+Spe -Sp.Def)
EVs: 252Spe/252Sp.Atk/4HP
Moveset:
Thunder Wave
Thunderbolt
Rain Dance
Thunder

This is meant to be an OU team, so Exploud was out of the question really, but otherwise I would have used it. Specsdra requires no setting up, Jolteon, just because I wanted a Electric type I suppose, and Linoone as my Revenge Killer. Steelix as a Tank, and Tyranitar as a Sweeper. Any more advice is highly welcomed. I think I'm nearly there.
 
Steelix wants Stealth Rock and 252 HP / 252 S.DEF / 6 Att with a Relaxed Nature. This gives you better defense and increases the power of Gyro. Also every team NEEDS Stealth Rock if you like winning.

Linoone is the worse Choice Scarfer in the game and a terrible pokemon in OU. Get something more useful.

Tyranitar wants Jolly to beat base 115's after a DD and use a Babiri Berry with Fire Punch over Aqua Tail or Scizor just owns it so much.

That Jolteon set is horrific.

Jolteon@Choice Specs
Timid Nature
252 SP.Att / 252 speed /6 HP
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power Grass
- Shadow Ball
- Baton Pass

Baton Pass is to escape Pursuit and to scout your counters.

Celebi wants Timid (180 speed / 252 s.att / 76 HP) to outspeed Lucario and use a Life Orb.
 
Firestar, you should consider Rest > Recover on Celebi. Rest helps Celebi to recover full HP while Recover only recovers 50%. If you're worrying of the sleep Rest gives you, you can just switch out and Celebi's Natural Cure ability will heal you ;)
 
Is Staraptor viable? I just love him.
Also, any good Suicune set? I'd like him to be offensive but as my new team leans very much toward defense (Other than the possible Staraptor, and my spin blocker Gengar)

Also, what is a good lead to set up hazards?
 
I havent ever used Staraptor, so idk about that.

You can use this Suicune:
Suicune @ Leftovers / Life Orb (use Leftovers with the first EV spread and LO with the second one)
Nature: Timid
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 172 HP / 120 SpA / 216 Spe or 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe (the first one is to make Suicune bulky while the second one is the standard one)
Moveset:
~ Calm Mind
~ Surf / Hydro Pump
~ Ice Beam
~ Hidden Power [Electric]

Do you want an offensive good lead or a defensive good lead? Specifying that might help.
 
Instead of Forry, you can also use Tentacruel, it is a great MixApe counter, isn't setup fodder for anything and can also set up Toxic Spikes while absorbing them and spinning away SR and Spikes. You can get something else for Spikes.
 
Many stall teams are weak to MixApe; I always use a Tentacruel in my stall teams for that.
 
Looks like I'd drop Suicune then. With Staraptor I would have 3 elec weaknesses.

My team so far:
Swampert
Zapdos
Skarmory
Tentacruel
Suicune?
EDIT: Dusknoir might work because it's very bulky and stops rapid sping.
 
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