If it is Gentle nature, I doubt anyone would EV train it lol.
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If it is Gentle nature, I doubt anyone would EV train it lol.
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Nope, it isn't EV trained. I checked. x3
Been a while since I posted here, buuut, that doesn't matter. Was looking for a good set for Haxorus, since my non-EV trained one works well.
I have this so far:
Haxorus @ Life Orb
Mold Breaker
EVs: 252 ATK / 252 SPD/ 4 HP
Jolly Nature
Moves:
Outrage
Dragon Dance
Earthquake
Brick Break
Is this set OK?
I have this so far:
Haxorus @ Life Orb
Mold Breaker
EVs: 252 ATK / 252 SPD/ 4 HP
Jolly Nature
Moves:
Outrage
Dragon Dance
Earthquake
Brick Break
Is this set OK?
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In regards to Tailwind.
While reading this, please keep in mind that I'm specifically talking about triple battles:
What is up with Tailwind? Was its effect recently disabled for random online fights? Why is it that I've been outran in three consecutive battles in rating mode?
In free mode, it doubled my speed like it was supposed to and it sped me up on the turn that it was used (which is normally the first, assuming nobody stops my Prankster Whimsicott with a higher priority move). Now things that haven't gained a speed boost are outrunning me despite the fact that things like Darmanitan, Porygon-Z, and Mienshao (all of whom have either the Adamant or Modest nature with a perfect speed IV and 252 speed EVs) had their speed doubled. With Tailwind, I should even be outrunning most things with a Choice Scarf since I get a 2x speed boost instead of a 1.5x speed boost.
I also noticed in a match that I had yesterday that somebody's Thundurus was outran by my Mienshao immediately after being sped up by my opponent's Whimsicott's Tailwind at the end of the battle. Both of us used Tailwind on the first turn, but my Whimsicott was KO'd before mine petered out, so I know I didn't use the move again. The thing is that, while I saw the message telling me that my opponent's went out, I never saw the message telling me that mine did. Until my Mienshao somehow outran Thundurus, I'd just assumed that I just wasn't paying enough attention to the battle captions.
Is there something about this move that I'm just not understanding? I'm sorry for the long post, but I wanted to be detailed. I'd've just posted the battle video numbers if I'd thought to save any of the three videos from today or if my opponent from yesterday didn't quit on me before I could save the fight.
Edit: Reading up on the move elsewhere, I have more than one place saying that the move raises the move by one stage instead of two. If this is true, then that makes Bulbapedia wrong and I retract my previous statement about how my team should be able to outrun most Choice Scarf users. Still, though, I should still be outrunning most things that don't have a speed boost, so I'm still confused about what's happening here.
While reading this, please keep in mind that I'm specifically talking about triple battles:
What is up with Tailwind? Was its effect recently disabled for random online fights? Why is it that I've been outran in three consecutive battles in rating mode?
In free mode, it doubled my speed like it was supposed to and it sped me up on the turn that it was used (which is normally the first, assuming nobody stops my Prankster Whimsicott with a higher priority move). Now things that haven't gained a speed boost are outrunning me despite the fact that things like Darmanitan, Porygon-Z, and Mienshao (all of whom have either the Adamant or Modest nature with a perfect speed IV and 252 speed EVs) had their speed doubled. With Tailwind, I should even be outrunning most things with a Choice Scarf since I get a 2x speed boost instead of a 1.5x speed boost.
I also noticed in a match that I had yesterday that somebody's Thundurus was outran by my Mienshao immediately after being sped up by my opponent's Whimsicott's Tailwind at the end of the battle. Both of us used Tailwind on the first turn, but my Whimsicott was KO'd before mine petered out, so I know I didn't use the move again. The thing is that, while I saw the message telling me that my opponent's went out, I never saw the message telling me that mine did. Until my Mienshao somehow outran Thundurus, I'd just assumed that I just wasn't paying enough attention to the battle captions.
Is there something about this move that I'm just not understanding? I'm sorry for the long post, but I wanted to be detailed. I'd've just posted the battle video numbers if I'd thought to save any of the three videos from today or if my opponent from yesterday didn't quit on me before I could save the fight.
Edit: Reading up on the move elsewhere, I have more than one place saying that the move raises the move by one stage instead of two. If this is true, then that makes Bulbapedia wrong and I retract my previous statement about how my team should be able to outrun most Choice Scarf users. Still, though, I should still be outrunning most things that don't have a speed boost, so I'm still confused about what's happening here.
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I was looking at Dreamworld abilities and I saw that Hitmonlee gets an ability that doubles his speed whenever he uses a hold item. I was wondering if this set could possibly be any good.
Hitmonlee@Fighting Gem (Or could use a stat boosting berry)
Unburden
Adamant
252 atk/252 Speed/4 hp
Close Combat/Hi Jump Kick
Stone Edge/Rock Slide
Mach Punch
Blaze Kick/Endure (If using stat berry)
Any thoughts? comments?
Any help would be helpful :)
Hitmonlee@Fighting Gem (Or could use a stat boosting berry)
Unburden
Adamant
252 atk/252 Speed/4 hp
Close Combat/Hi Jump Kick
Stone Edge/Rock Slide
Mach Punch
Blaze Kick/Endure (If using stat berry)
Any thoughts? comments?
Any help would be helpful :)
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Mightyena @ Life Orb
6 HP/ 252 Attack / 252 Speed
Ability: Moxie
Howl
Sucker Punch
Fire Fang
Return
Tangrowth @ Leftovers
Trait: Regenerator
Nature: Bold
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Defense / 6 Sp.Atk
Protect
Toxic
Leech Seed
Giga Drain
6 HP/ 252 Attack / 252 Speed
Ability: Moxie
Howl
Sucker Punch
Fire Fang
Return
Tangrowth @ Leftovers
Trait: Regenerator
Nature: Bold
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Defense / 6 Sp.Atk
Protect
Toxic
Leech Seed
Giga Drain
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What nature would be better for Jellicent: Bold, or Calm? Calm boosts its already good Special Defense, but Bold lets it take physical hits better (with 252 Def EVs). I'm stuck between both natures and was wondering which one is better.
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This will be my first competitive pokemon.
Victini (fire/psy) @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Victory Star
EVs: 252HP/252 SpA/6 Spe
Nature: Modest (+SpA,-Att)
- Fire Blast (Fire TM: 120/85 10% burn)
- Psychic (Psychic TM: 90/100 may reduce targets SpD)
- Energy Ball (Grass TM: 80/100 may reduce targets SpD)
- Shadow Ball (Ghost TM: 80/100 may reduce targets SpD)
Black is my first Pokemon game. My pool of pokemon is limited but I've finished the core storyline and acquired the promotional Victini. I thought that would be a good choice for training my first competitive pokemon. I read up on natures, EVs and IVs but am limited in practice. What I'd like is a well-rounded comptetive pokemon that would be a welcome addition to just about any team I might make. This Victini is of modest nature (+Sp.Att,-Att) so I figure I'd focus on special attacks. His promotional physical attack looks super-awesome but I don't have it and from what I can tell his special attacks are pretty solid.
252 HP, 252 Sp.Att, 6 Speed
My thought is that the extra HP bulk is better for a general-use Pokemon since I don't know what teams he might be in, or if he will be for 1v1, 3v3 or whatever format. I don't really even know what the various formats are since I'm brand new to this. Reviewing team construction, I've seen that most attack pokemon are termed sweepers and usually choose speed over HP. I'd like to know if I should follow suit and put 252 in speed. From what I've read Victini has been shown to be subpar for a full-out SpA sweeper. I'm guessing most people tried him with 252 speed. Since that hasn't worked, I thought I'd try HP. I'm torn in this aspect.
I checked this guy's IVs and unfortunately they are bad. Closest estimate is HP 8, Att 2, Def 2, SpA 18, SpD 19, Spe 21. At least the higher numbers are in decent stats. I don't know if that information will help you give advice on how I should proceed. So far I've put 252 EVs into SpA.
Rocky Helmet
Frankly I haven't researched the items much and I'm not sure how inhibiting the choice items are. This seemed like a decent and generic option.
Fire Blast
My STAB fire attack. Chosen over Searing Shot to take advantage of Victory Star ability. This will miss 1 out of 20 attacks. Will be my primary attack. Used against eight types: Grass 3x, Ice 3x, Bug 3x, Steel 3x, Normal 1.5x, Electric 1.5x, Flying 1.5x and Dark 1.5x.
Psychic
My STAB psychic attack. This will be used against four types: Fighting 3x, Poison 3x, Fire 1.5x and Dragon 1.5x.
Energy Ball
Filler grass attack to cover weaknesses to Water, Ground and Rock. It deals 2x damage to those types. Those are three types of pokemon that are exceptionally dangerous to Victini as they all do 3x damage. I'm not sure if Grass Knot is a better option. I guess it depends how heavy typical pokemon of those types are.
Shadow Ball
My secondary filler, this ghost attack covers weaknesses to Psychic and Ghost and will deal 2x damage to those types. This would be the attack I'd drop for some sort of utility attack, if one is recommended. With all the hype about Chandelure, I chose this.
I've chosen four damaging special attacks. I'm a bit unhappy not to be taking better advantage of Victory Star. All in all, the attacks have good coverage. No attack should just deal base 1x damage to any single-type Pokemon. To summarize:
3x damage (6): Grass, Ice, Bug, Steel, Fighting, Poison
2x damage (5): Water, Ground, Rock, Psychic, Ghost
1.5x damage (6): Normal, Electric, Flying, Dark, Fire, Dragon
Just to reiterate, this is my first attempt at training a competitive mon. All that is set in stone at the moment is a modest Victini with 252 points in SpA, as I've already trained them.
Thanks in advance for any advice given. The more in-depth the better!
Victini (fire/psy) @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Victory Star
EVs: 252HP/252 SpA/6 Spe
Nature: Modest (+SpA,-Att)
- Fire Blast (Fire TM: 120/85 10% burn)
- Psychic (Psychic TM: 90/100 may reduce targets SpD)
- Energy Ball (Grass TM: 80/100 may reduce targets SpD)
- Shadow Ball (Ghost TM: 80/100 may reduce targets SpD)
Black is my first Pokemon game. My pool of pokemon is limited but I've finished the core storyline and acquired the promotional Victini. I thought that would be a good choice for training my first competitive pokemon. I read up on natures, EVs and IVs but am limited in practice. What I'd like is a well-rounded comptetive pokemon that would be a welcome addition to just about any team I might make. This Victini is of modest nature (+Sp.Att,-Att) so I figure I'd focus on special attacks. His promotional physical attack looks super-awesome but I don't have it and from what I can tell his special attacks are pretty solid.
252 HP, 252 Sp.Att, 6 Speed
My thought is that the extra HP bulk is better for a general-use Pokemon since I don't know what teams he might be in, or if he will be for 1v1, 3v3 or whatever format. I don't really even know what the various formats are since I'm brand new to this. Reviewing team construction, I've seen that most attack pokemon are termed sweepers and usually choose speed over HP. I'd like to know if I should follow suit and put 252 in speed. From what I've read Victini has been shown to be subpar for a full-out SpA sweeper. I'm guessing most people tried him with 252 speed. Since that hasn't worked, I thought I'd try HP. I'm torn in this aspect.
I checked this guy's IVs and unfortunately they are bad. Closest estimate is HP 8, Att 2, Def 2, SpA 18, SpD 19, Spe 21. At least the higher numbers are in decent stats. I don't know if that information will help you give advice on how I should proceed. So far I've put 252 EVs into SpA.
Rocky Helmet
Frankly I haven't researched the items much and I'm not sure how inhibiting the choice items are. This seemed like a decent and generic option.
Fire Blast
My STAB fire attack. Chosen over Searing Shot to take advantage of Victory Star ability. This will miss 1 out of 20 attacks. Will be my primary attack. Used against eight types: Grass 3x, Ice 3x, Bug 3x, Steel 3x, Normal 1.5x, Electric 1.5x, Flying 1.5x and Dark 1.5x.
Psychic
My STAB psychic attack. This will be used against four types: Fighting 3x, Poison 3x, Fire 1.5x and Dragon 1.5x.
Energy Ball
Filler grass attack to cover weaknesses to Water, Ground and Rock. It deals 2x damage to those types. Those are three types of pokemon that are exceptionally dangerous to Victini as they all do 3x damage. I'm not sure if Grass Knot is a better option. I guess it depends how heavy typical pokemon of those types are.
Shadow Ball
My secondary filler, this ghost attack covers weaknesses to Psychic and Ghost and will deal 2x damage to those types. This would be the attack I'd drop for some sort of utility attack, if one is recommended. With all the hype about Chandelure, I chose this.
I've chosen four damaging special attacks. I'm a bit unhappy not to be taking better advantage of Victory Star. All in all, the attacks have good coverage. No attack should just deal base 1x damage to any single-type Pokemon. To summarize:
3x damage (6): Grass, Ice, Bug, Steel, Fighting, Poison
2x damage (5): Water, Ground, Rock, Psychic, Ghost
1.5x damage (6): Normal, Electric, Flying, Dark, Fire, Dragon
Just to reiterate, this is my first attempt at training a competitive mon. All that is set in stone at the moment is a modest Victini with 252 points in SpA, as I've already trained them.
Thanks in advance for any advice given. The more in-depth the better!
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I'm starting a sun team, consisting of BL/OU pokemon, my main two pokemon being ninetales (obviously) and arcanine. the movesets I've got for them so far are:
Ninetales @Leftovers
252 HP / 6 SDef / 252 Spd
Timid Nature
Ability: Drought
-Flamethrower
-Toxic
-Disable
-Substitute
Arcanine @Life Orb
EVs: 148 Atk / 124 SAtk / 252 Spd
Rash Nature
Ability: Intimidate
-Fire Blast
-Close Combat
-Extremespeed/Wild Charge/Dragon Pulse
-Morning Sun
although the thing is, I'm not sure about any other team mates to use. anyone have any suggestions?
right now I'm thinking venusaur/lilligant would be a good choice because they have chlorophyll and can handle swampert.
Ninetales @Leftovers
252 HP / 6 SDef / 252 Spd
Timid Nature
Ability: Drought
-Flamethrower
-Toxic
-Disable
-Substitute
Arcanine @Life Orb
EVs: 148 Atk / 124 SAtk / 252 Spd
Rash Nature
Ability: Intimidate
-Fire Blast
-Close Combat
-Extremespeed/Wild Charge/Dragon Pulse
-Morning Sun
although the thing is, I'm not sure about any other team mates to use. anyone have any suggestions?
right now I'm thinking venusaur/lilligant would be a good choice because they have chlorophyll and can handle swampert.
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Help, New to Competitive Battles
I just started wanting to do competitive battles but i dont know pokemon off the back of my hand like IVs/EVs Natures etc.
But i really want these pokemon in my team
Gallade, Honchcrow, Fortress and Kingdra
i only have the move sets and that for Gallade
Gallade
Lv. 100
Nature. Jolly
Train Sp.Def ev and Hp evs
Moveset -
- Bulk Up
- Hypnosis
- Shadow Sneek
- Drain Punch
Could anyone help with the Evs and moveset and 2 other pokemon which would suite well with my team? Thanks
I just started wanting to do competitive battles but i dont know pokemon off the back of my hand like IVs/EVs Natures etc.
But i really want these pokemon in my team
Gallade, Honchcrow, Fortress and Kingdra
i only have the move sets and that for Gallade
Gallade
Lv. 100
Nature. Jolly
Train Sp.Def ev and Hp evs
Moveset -
- Bulk Up
- Hypnosis
- Shadow Sneek
- Drain Punch
Could anyone help with the Evs and moveset and 2 other pokemon which would suite well with my team? Thanks
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A good team
Well, Kingdra could be a special attacker or an attacker, it has the same base stats pretty much. Though I would go for a Jolly Kingdra as it can learn Outrage which is dead powerful, something like this then...
Kingdra - Jolly
252 EV attack/252 EV Speed/ the remaining 4 in whatever you want.
(It should have Swift Swim)
Moveset-
Rain Dance
Waterfall
Outrage
Dragon dance or substitute depending on your style of play, or you could replace with it another attack move.
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Forretress is a huge wall with great defence, not so much great sp defence.
Forretress - Careful
100 EV HP/ 156 EV Defence/ 252 Sp Defence
Moveset-
Spikes
Rapid spin
Explosion
And giving how Forretress has terrible speed possibly Payback.
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Honchkrow has some really handy tools, so it should also be used as a physical attacker.
Honckrow - Adamant/Jolly
252 EV attack/252 EV Speed/ EV HP
Moveset-
Bravebird
Drill Peck
Superpower
Steel wing
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Though thats leaves you with a lot of physical attackers, you'll need more Sp attackers. I recommend Starmie it has a great movepool and it's quite brick the breaker.
Starmie - Timid
252 EV SpAttack/252 EV Speed/4 EV HP
Moveset-
Psychic
Thunderbolt
Ice beam
Hydro Pump (or surf for better accuracy)
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I would also recommend a Gengar, it's fast, good movepool and has a great status inflicter.
Gengar - Timid
252 EV Sp attack/ 252 EV Speed/ 4 EV HP
Moveset-
Hypnosis
Shadow Ball
Focus Blast
Thunderbolt
These are just my personal choices, I guess no one's wrong, anyway hope you have luck with your team.
Well, Kingdra could be a special attacker or an attacker, it has the same base stats pretty much. Though I would go for a Jolly Kingdra as it can learn Outrage which is dead powerful, something like this then...
Kingdra - Jolly
252 EV attack/252 EV Speed/ the remaining 4 in whatever you want.
(It should have Swift Swim)
Moveset-
Rain Dance
Waterfall
Outrage
Dragon dance or substitute depending on your style of play, or you could replace with it another attack move.
--------------------------------------------------------------
Forretress is a huge wall with great defence, not so much great sp defence.
Forretress - Careful
100 EV HP/ 156 EV Defence/ 252 Sp Defence
Moveset-
Spikes
Rapid spin
Explosion
And giving how Forretress has terrible speed possibly Payback.
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Honchkrow has some really handy tools, so it should also be used as a physical attacker.
Honckrow - Adamant/Jolly
252 EV attack/252 EV Speed/ EV HP
Moveset-
Bravebird
Drill Peck
Superpower
Steel wing
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Though thats leaves you with a lot of physical attackers, you'll need more Sp attackers. I recommend Starmie it has a great movepool and it's quite brick the breaker.
Starmie - Timid
252 EV SpAttack/252 EV Speed/4 EV HP
Moveset-
Psychic
Thunderbolt
Ice beam
Hydro Pump (or surf for better accuracy)
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I would also recommend a Gengar, it's fast, good movepool and has a great status inflicter.
Gengar - Timid
252 EV Sp attack/ 252 EV Speed/ 4 EV HP
Moveset-
Hypnosis
Shadow Ball
Focus Blast
Thunderbolt
These are just my personal choices, I guess no one's wrong, anyway hope you have luck with your team.
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Thanks il try to go for it.
Will it be hard trying to get all the natures and EVs?
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Will it be hard trying to get all the natures and EVs?
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My Drifblim
Hi, my Drifblim is going to be in my final team and i was wondering anyone could help me by telling me if what i've done to it was good so these are it's moves...
Double Team
Ominous Wind
Will-o-Wisp
Acrobatics
I have EV'd it in speed so the double team will be used for the first two moves so they find it hard to land hits. Ominous wind is a good STAB move which has a small chance of raising all of it's stats. Acrobatics is another good STAB as it does lots with no item. Will-o-Wisp would be used after Double Team to give me another advantage.
Thanks for your time :11:
Hi, my Drifblim is going to be in my final team and i was wondering anyone could help me by telling me if what i've done to it was good so these are it's moves...
Double Team
Ominous Wind
Will-o-Wisp
Acrobatics
I have EV'd it in speed so the double team will be used for the first two moves so they find it hard to land hits. Ominous wind is a good STAB move which has a small chance of raising all of it's stats. Acrobatics is another good STAB as it does lots with no item. Will-o-Wisp would be used after Double Team to give me another advantage.
Thanks for your time :11:
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Not hard, just a bit long. EV training takes like...Maximum 2-3 hours even less when done correctly, natures...I guess you have to breed them, or if you have a sychronizer with the nature you want, there's a 50% more chance of picking up the desired nature. Remember to also use vitamins when EV training, it's a handy way to train faster, not to mention Pokerus and power items. Shouldn't take too long. You could also go for IVs, but that's a bit advanced and is mostly luck, though there are methods to get some good IVs.
Good luck.
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If this is for competitive then forget about Double Team, it's banned.
Replace Ominous Wind with Shadow Ball, and make sure the Nature doesn't hinder it's offensive stats, go for Naughty/Rash/Mild/Naive/Hasty.
Replace Ominous Wind with Shadow Ball, and make sure the Nature doesn't hinder it's offensive stats, go for Naughty/Rash/Mild/Naive/Hasty.
Bumping this for the new page.
Well, while this does work, I'd rather go with the Politoed that hits like a bus.
Politoed @ Choice Spec
Nature: Modest/Timid
Trait: Drizzle
EVs: 252 Spl Att/ 252 Spd/ 6 HP
-Hydro Pump
-Ice Beam
-Focus Blast
-Hypnosis
Vrai
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30 is fine if you're willing to settle for it.
Both of those movesets look fine. Venusaur is definitely a good partner on any Drought team because it's speedy, bulky and hits hard.
Venusaur @ Life Orb / Leftovers
ability: Chlorophyll
nature: Modest
evs: 252 SpA / 252 Spe / 4 HP
~ Energy Ball
~ Growth (it's like Nasty Plot + Swords Dance in the sun)
~ Sludge Bomb
~ Hidden Power [Fire]
Thunder and Focus Blast respectively give better supereffective/neutral coverage iirc and both kinda abuse Victory Star (but Thunder only goes up to 77% accuracy so who knows if you really want to use that or Thunderbolt). You also want Speed > HP; Victini's typing isn't good enough to be taking any strong hits no matter how much investment it has. It'd much rather outspeed them and damage them first. Life Orb lets you hit harder because Rocky Helmet isn't doing anything for you. Lastly, Psyshock can be used to hit Pokemon that are more specially defensive in their weaker stat, but Psychic is just as viable.