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mystery said:
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my team is like yours but its just ou
my team relied mainly on one pokemon as a counter {kinda like yours}
if your pig is taken out by oooo say.....dugtrio then your team is left to be swept
i dont like that idea thats why i wanted you to get something that can also back up your grumpig if something misfortunate such as that were to happen. grumpig looks to be your "last stand" pokemon. im just looking for a way that your team wouldnt be as weak to fire/ice weakness....
what would be another option.......ill think on it though
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Not so much. First off, Grumpig is my SP.Wall, not a "last stand". He isn't meant to wall everything, only Sp.moves. Also, that is why I have Reflect. Plus, Dusknoir can help ease off some slack, and Vileplume can also back Piggy up. He is in no way the "last stand", although that was a somewhat decent try.

I never understood why some of the better raters seem to ignore my threads most of the time, leaiving me with some D-list rates. Oh well.
 
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well maybe you don't bump it enough, foo XD

hmm well i know how attached to your pokemon you are, so i won't make you do anything you don't want to. but sure, grumpig should be able to handle cressy VERY well, but the biggest issue with it is: it can't handle physical attackers at all. so all the opponent has to do is switch out, and BAM those 4 CMs you boosted plotting death against that galactic duck have went to waste.

i guess the biggest problem is that your team has no surprise value. almost everything on your team that can do some real damage requires some setup time. it's quite ineffective. you need harder hits at shorter time intervals.
 
Ah, you didn't see the updates. I took out Calm Mind for Reflect for that exact reason. Dugtrio, as was previously mentioned, is a B. And Ttar always coming in, ruining those 4 CM, which had happend exactly like that before.

But that last sentence hit me hard, as I had always thought that to be my weakness. It is a tad hard to play Sceptile, as I need to use at least one SD (once I do, it's sweeping time, however), and Raichu is the same, although Expert Belt helps out.
 
hmm how is your gyara currently doing? i dropped taunt on my gyara long ago for ice fang and it does well. almost everyone is equipped to deal with gyara nowadays, it's just a lot easier to force him into attack mode so he can hit any given opponent. just a thought.
 
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hmm how is your gyara currently doing? i dropped taunt on my gyara long ago for ice fang and it does well. almost everyone is equipped to deal with gyara nowadays, it's just a lot easier to force him into attack mode so he can hit any given opponent. just a thought.
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I actually agree with that. Taunt isn't needed as much as people think, especially since people have gotten smarter and aren't going to randomly switch in Skarmory to take it out. DD/3 attacks Gyarados is a better sweeper IMO.

Anyways, I think people don't respond to your threads sims because we know you will only use your favorite pokemon, so recommending things can be tricky ;)
 
This team is Uber you know...right? I saw Vileplume and I'm like "OMFG UBERZ!"

I'm planning to go IceQuakeFall myself and drop the taunt. That way, I have more reliablity in my moves.

The team does require some setup, and against people who like to play a hasty beatdown at times will prevent you from doing so in an easy way. Your best bet would be vs. Stall teams that can set up without much threat coming straight out of the first attack. If you want less setup, try out CBDos, but that'll ruin the "bulky sweeper" thing. Metagross may sound good, but 3 fire weaknesses is a problem. Dragonite does the same, only on the Ice spectrum.
 
Of course, I can only "freak" when they say something that is widely untrue, or especially half thought. If anyone on this thread is remotely smart, have a shred of intellegence, I won't have a need to freak. Seriously, stupidity is annoying, especially when it's done to my favorites. What REALLY grinds my gears about it is when I clearly say, several times, "I AM KEEPING VILEPLUME!", yet people still suggest him off, as if they can't read. If THOSE are the reason people don't respond, then so be it. They can take their uppity, self righteous selves out of my thread, which I see all over this forum. It is pretty annoying when I look at my user CP, just to see something unhelpful pop up.

I also freak when people bark things around as if these changes must be made. Samson was the perfect example of what I am looking for in a rate. No "you must use this", just a warning of exactly I am looking for. He knows that I know what I am doing when I make these somewhat odd teams, but I often lose sight of some detail. So he tells me. Good, now I can see what I can do to fix it.

And any good rater can give me some options, which is usually what I am looking for. Sure, I am fickle, but that's because I don't want to settle. I do not want to use something I don't like, or it won't be fun for me. Maybe all of you can just throw crap together and be happy with it, I can not.

Now, to the only one (whille I was gone) who actually helped, CBDos sounds good. Of course, then I'd still be Ttar weak. How is ScarfDos?
 
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You do sometimes get too defensive though :P

Anyways, no Gyarados is going to stop you from being Tar weak considering Stone Edge is going to wipe it out in one hit most likely. Even if it doesn't, Gyarados will be in critical condition and Tar can just come again later.

The best counters are those that resist its STAB attacks. Forretress is pretty good, so something like a rock resist to help it out is helpful. I haven't looked at your team update in awhile, but I can tell you that without a rock resist, countering Tyranitar simply isn't going to happen.
 
Yeah, I do. But understand, not without reason. For instance, Blueberry's post kinda put me in a foul mood. I don't mind the critizism, I really don't, Aquallie showed that. But, well, I said the rest.

Forry wouldn't be too good, since Ttar also carrys Fire Blast. Really, Hitmontop makes the most sense, but I'm just not too keen on it's set. I guess I'll try both Rolling Kick & probably Pursuit. O+I might remove Rapid Spin, as I am not in such a dire need for a Spinner.

Oh,I knew Gya wasn't going to counter Ttar, but I was curious. I mean, it makes sense. I would like to try out Scarf Gya in the near future. No time soon, but yeah. When you guys were talking about Tauntdos, I started thinking it was obsolete as well.
 
I think Tauntrados might be past its prime considering every team is prepared for it and people totally misuse it.

The awesome thing about rock resists is that they're uber-easy to find...any fighter, bulky ground, or steel (besides Skarmory and Forry) will ususally do fine. Tar doesn't carry fire moves very often, but it is usually a good idea to prepare for them. Something like Swampert is good with Tyranitar considering you have forretress to take Crunch.

Really, a lot works. Hitmontop is good, but it seems a bit useless for you outside of that, so maybe something else? I mean, I don't know what you'd use so I can't really make suggestions. But Hitmontop will work.
 
Hava look at page 5 for the updates.

Don't be afraid to suggest, even if they aren't added right away, they are considered.

I'll stay Hitmontop for now, but I'll lose Rapid Spin for, I dunno, Stone Edge? For Gya hurtin. I don't seem to need Spin as much anymore. I'll also give it Mind Reader, in order for Stone Edge to hit.

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Oh that spoiler tag is juicy with win qualities...especially since I fell for it :(

Anyways, Hippowdon is really great at beating CBtar, and Donphan is pretty good. Ground/Water types do decently. The really good ones are fighters, especially bulky ones like Machamp or even Hitmontop.

I wouldn't use Rapid Spin, as it's easily predicted and kinda useless since you can't beat ghosts to save your life with Hitmontop. Bulk Up is cool...fighters always have something interesting to work with.
 
Well, you've been kicked off for a spell, but when you get PC working, I should mention that a Technican Pursuit really hurts ghost types.

As for Hippo, I don't really want Sandstorm on my team, even though it's GONNA happen whether I like it to or not.

Fighters are oddly defensive.
 
No, I'm sorry. A little bit heated from Fish class today. Didn't mean to snap like that.
 
Hmm...What about Hariyama? It's a decently defensively fighter (Knock Off, Whirlwind, a ton of HP to compensate for lesser defenses), and some pokemon cry when they lose their precious item...NO LIFE ORB FOR YOU! NO LEFTOVERS FOR YOU! NO CHOICE FOR YOU!

It's one of the best T-Tar and Weavile counters you can get your hands on.
 
Along with Top.

I am in the mist of training a Hariyama, although it reminds me of how much weight I lost. 10 Ibs! I need to eat moar.

He has what I like-Whirlwind. I love PHazers.
 
Well, Payback nails ghosts hard, and some fighting move of your preference (Cross Chop, Brick Break, Close Combat, HP Fighting) Hit the Rocky Reptar and fragile Grendel (Weavile)

Don't use WITH Hitmontop though. lol that'd be rather stupid.
 
Heh, well of course. So I'll go all Knock Off, Whirlwind, Toxic, & Focus Blast, with is superior sp.atk, so good, it can 23HKO a Mewtwo.
 
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