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    I figure that I might as well go ahead and post my team. It's not particularly great/ good, but it works well for me (although I can count the amount of times I've battled in the past month on one hand).

    Gengar @ Life Orb
    Timid
    252 SAtk/ 252 Spe/ 6 HP
    - Shadow Ball
    - Thunderbolt
    - Focus Blast
    - Hypnosis

    Wide Lens is for pussies. I prefer the raw power of Life Orb over actually hitting opponents. Although I'll probably bend and put in Wide Lens if even one person suggests it. ;_;

    Weavile is an ever-present fear, but hopefully he's not that common as a lead.

    Lucario @ Life Orb
    Adamant
    252 Atk/ 252 Spe/ 6 HP
    - Close Combat
    - Extremespeed
    - Crunch
    - Swords Dance

    A total beast. I think, anyway, as I've never actually gotten off a Swords Dance and hit something before...

    Weavile @ Choice Band
    Jolly
    40 HP/ 252 Atk/ 216 Spe
    - Ice Shard
    - Night Slash
    - Brick Break
    - Pursuit

    The only thing stopping Garchomp from rampaging through my team. Although the last time he tried to stop him, Ice Shard missed due to Sand Veil. ;_;

    Weezing @ Leftovers
    Bold
    60 SAtk/ 252 HP/ 196 HP (Something like that)
    - Sludge Bomb/ Thunderbolt
    - Flamethrower
    - Pain Split
    - Will-o-Wisp

    A pretty good wall. I love WoW for crippling threats and DoT. Strongly considering Thunderbolt over Sludge Bomb, due to Gyarados.

    Swampert @ Leftovers
    Relaxed
    240 HP/ 216 Def/ 52 SAtk
    - Surf
    - Ice Beam
    - Earthquake
    - Stealth Rock

    Swampert. He's pretty cool. I think...

    Blissey @ Leftovers
    Calm
    252 Def/ 216 SDef/ 40 HP
    - Softboiled
    - Seismic Toss
    - Aromatherapy
    - Toxic

    Eventually I'm going to ditch my Bold Blissey for this hip new Calm Blissey. Eventually. Outside of that, this is my Blissey. Aromatherapy is useful, and I absolutely love Toxic.

    There probably isn't much point in me posting this, but I figure that I should at least try to make my team better. Tear it apart, please. ;_;
     
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    I figure that I might as well go ahead and post my team. It's not particularly great/ good, but it works well for me (although I can count the amount of times I've battled in the past month on one hand).

    Gengar @ Life Orb I'd actually like to see where this goes... I prefer the accuracy, but it's only 10%, so has Life orb worked okay?
    Timid
    252 SAtk/ 252 Spe/ 6 HP
    - Shadow Ball
    - Thunderbolt
    - Focus Blast
    - Hypnosis

    Wide Lens is for pussies. I prefer the raw power of Life Orb over actually hitting opponents. Although I'll probably bend and put in Wide Lens if even one person suggests it. ;_;

    Weavile is an ever-present fear, but hopefully he's not that common as a lead. Haven't seen any in a while, but I've been lazy...

    Lucario @ Life Orb
    Adamant
    252 Atk/ 252 Spe/ 6 HP
    - Close Combat
    - Extremespeed
    - Crunch
    - Swords Dance

    A total beast. I think, anyway, as I've never actually gotten off a Swords Dance and hit something before...

    Consider:
    Lucario @ Life Orb/Expert Belt
    Adamant
    160 Atk/ 188 Spe/ 160 HP
    - Close Combat
    - Extremespeed
    - Crunch
    - Swords Dance

    A bulky Luke that will take hits better than standard. After a SD, it still dishes out the damage well and can usually survive to get an SD and a hit or two in. Expert Belt allows you to stop taking recoil, which is going to hurt if you take a hit setting up, so it just gives a little more survivability. Try it out.

    Weavile @ Choice Band
    Jolly
    40 HP/ 252 Atk/ 216 Spe
    - Ice Shard
    - Night Slash
    - Brick Break
    - Pursuit

    The only thing stopping Garchomp from rampaging through my team. Although the last time he tried to stop him, Ice Shard missed due to Sand Veil. ;_;

    Weezing @ Leftovers
    Bold
    60 SAtk/ 252 HP/ 196 HP (Something like that)
    - Sludge Bomb/ Thunderbolt TBolt hits Gyara, whereas Sludge Bomb hits... Breloom? Flamethrower still roasts Breloom for SE.
    - Flamethrower
    - Pain Split
    - Will-o-Wisp

    A pretty good wall. I love WoW for crippling threats and DoT. Strongly considering Thunderbolt over Sludge Bomb, due to Gyarados.

    Swampert @ Leftovers
    Impish
    240 HP/ 216 Def/ 52 SAtk
    - Surf
    - Ice Beam
    - Earthquake
    - Stealth Rock

    Swampert. He's pretty cool. I think... You could lead with Swampert if Gengar doesn't seem to be achieving much. It is able to hit most leads and set up Stealth Rock.

    Blissey @ Leftovers
    Calm
    252 Def/ 216 SDef/ 40 HP
    - Softboiled
    - Seismic Toss
    - Aromatherapy
    - Toxic/Ice Beam Gives Specsmence support if Weavile is out. I can understand if you decide against it...

    Eventually I'm going to ditch my Bold Blissey for this hip new Calm Blissey. Eventually. Outside of that, this is my Blissey. Aromatherapy is useful, and I absolutely love Toxic.

    There probably isn't much point in me posting this, but I figure that I should at least try to make my team better. Tear it apart, please. ;_;

    I assume this is for Shoddy? Its pretty good. Edit in bold.
    A few little things, but yeah...
    (Poor AC seems to have been neglected.)
     
    Archer, isn't a Life Orb on a bulky SDluke kind of defeating the purpose? ._. Blissey doesn't need Ice beam to stop SpecsMence, for the record :P

    Gyarados gives you tons of problems, so I would put Thunderbolt on Weezing to help with that.

    BTW Wide Lens is trash on Gengar. Definitely use Life Orb if you want it to do anything.

    Weavile as your only Garchomp defenses just isn't going to work (unless it's some noob Outraging with his Scarfchomp in the early game). Yache Berry Chomp is just going to roll this team over almost uncontested. HP Ice on Gengar for further revenge is probably your best bet to help in beating it some. Really though, it's going to be a big problem, especially the Choice Bander.

    Weavile leads are pretty common, so I would lead with Swampert who gets you that SR that would help you so much (especially SDluke who relies on its damage for kills). Just watch out for Luvdisc leads! They have been growing in popularity recently on ABYAY's server!
     
    Wow, given my last few teams I've made, I was expecting this team to receive much harsher criticism. Well, I suppose it shows that I'm getting better at this. :D

    And Archer, this is a WiFi team. So go easy on the Hidden Power recommendations. Also, Wide Lens raises accuracy by 10% of the move's accuracy. So, in Hypnosis'/ Focus Blast's case, the accuracy would be raised to 77% (not 80%).

    The thing about HP Ice Gengar is that while my Gengar DOES have HP Ice (really, what are the odds? ._.), it's 45 BP, which isn't enough to OHKO a standard Garchomp- especially not a Yachechomp. Even with Life Orb. ;_;

    As for Duster (Lucario), I realized he actually is a complete beast. I was able to get an SD off on a Blissey and, despite being Thunder Waved the same turn, was able to crush about half of the enemy team. I love him. <3

    I'll give the Swampert lead thing a try. Gengar works well for me, and while I've never seen a Weavile lead (like I said, I don't battle nearly as much as I ought to), I certainly do fear them. The only thing is that I'll have to switch up my trainer card, so people think I'm leading with something else.

    (Poor AC seems to have been neglected.)

    Don't worry, I'm used to it a bit. ;_;
     
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    Wow, given my last few teams I've made, I was expecting this team to receive much harsher criticism. Well, I suppose it shows that I'm getting better at this. :D

    And Archer, this is a WiFi team. So go easy on the Hidden Power recommendations.
    I was checking, as Weavile leads seem to be more common on Wifi than on Shoddy.
    Also, Wide Lens raises accuracy by 10% of the move's accuracy. So, in Hypnosis'/ Focus Blast's case, the accuracy would be raised to 77% (not 80%).
    I'm fully aware of that, sorry if I worded it strangely...

    The thing about HP Ice Gengar is that while my Gengar DOES have HP Ice (really, what are the odds? ._.), it's 45 BP, which isn't enough to OHKO a standard Garchomp- especially not a Yachechomp. Even with Life Orb. ;_;
    It must have really bad SDef...

    As for Duster (Lucario), I realized he actually is a complete beast. I was able to get an SD off on a Blissey and, despite being Thunder Waved the same turn, was able to crush about half of the enemy team. I love him. <3
    So you're happy to run your set?

    I'll give the Swampert lead thing a try. Gengar works well for me, and while I've never seen a Weavile lead (like I said, I don't battle nearly as much as I ought to), I certainly do fear them. The only thing is that I'll have to switch up my trainer card, so people think I'm leading with something else.
    Posting trainer cards really makes it difficult for you, as your enemy already knows your team.

    Anti-pop said:
    Archer, isn't a Life Orb on a bulky SDluke kind of defeating the purpose? ._. Blissey doesn't need Ice beam to stop SpecsMence, for the record
    Yeah, I meant to take it out, (C&P'd his set, making changes). That's sort of why I suggested Expert Belt.
    And with the Blissey thing, I said it was just an option, I guess I'm just over-concerned about Weavile handling all the dragons....
     
    Posting trainer cards really makes it difficult for you, as your enemy already knows your team.

    But it makes me look SUPER COOL ON THE INTERNET. Plus, I try and make it somewhat misleading (I don't use Swampert as a lead right now, despite what my card implies).

    And with the Blissey thing, I said it was just an option, I guess I'm just over-concerned about Weavile handling all the dragons....

    Me too, actually. The last time I fought an Outraging Garchomp, Ice Shard missed due to Sand Veil- the only reason I killed that thing was because he ate a Toxic while switching into Blissey. ;_;

    Any suggestions on that front?
     
    Ew scouting teams is really pathetic. It sucks when it happens, but you figure it out quickly and you use it against the opponent.

    Toxic stops any dragon from sweeping if they switch in on Blissey. Toxic shuts down Garchomp and it can't sweep all too well, especially as it will lack Leftovers recovery. Most dragons don't really...try to switch in on Blissey because it's so silly (Ice Beam go), and the physical dragons just CRUSH Blissey if it dares switch in. Honestly I find Ice Beam only really useful for Gengar and stuff like that, and Flamethrower actually does something to Meta/Hera/Lucario switch-ins.

    You mentioned Garchomp was only beat because of Toxic...exactly, that's all you'll really need if Garchomp gets any bright ideas on switching in on a pokemon where Ice Beam is standard on its most popular set...

    If you want Garchomp defense, get a straight-up wall that can beat it. Nothing else is very reliable. If Weavile is for Dragon revenge only, I would suggest Mamoswine who is a lot tougher to wall and has a more powerful Ice Shard and second STAB.

    I would make suggestions but the synergy of this team would be quite interrupted. For example, using something like Ice beam Suicune >>> Swampert for Garchomp coverage would make you Tyranitar weak.

    Just noticed a pretty bad MixApe weak, especially against those that forgo Nasty Plot and can just smash Gengar and friends with Flamethrowers. You can decently revenge it, but it's a pretty shaky tactic there.

    Again I really don't know what to suggest ._. One thing that could work is Ice Fang Gliscor >>> Weezing, but then Gyarados would give you troubles again :0 Then you could use something like HP Electric Vaporeon >>> Swampert to beat MixApe and Gyarados, while Gliscor would make a decent switch-in on Tyranitar (Ice beam ones would be problematic, but they aren't nearly as common as something like Garchomp).

    Just throwing stuff out there. I'm trying to keep the base of this team as fully intact as possible.
     
    I'm sorry, but it seems that each post that AC makes brings him closer & closer to WINING TEH INTERNETS.

    Personally, I'd use Sludge Bomb over T-Bolt. No sensible trainer will try & stay in, and Sludge Bomb does 28% max per hit. Then there's Pain Split.

    Thunderbolt is for pussies.
     
    Use Life Orb on Lucario. You're going to want the extra power when you SD up and start killing everything in sight with Extremespeed (things like Infernape, Weavile, Starmie, etc...) all outspeed Lucario, althought I think Luke can survive a Starmie Surf and OHKO with Crunch.

    Don't use Wide Lense, it increases accuracy by a sliver. Gengar is supposed to be destroying things HARD. Swampert makes a good lead, considering not many things counter it in the lead slot.

    For example: Hippowdon, Weavile, Tyranitar, Zapdos, Jolteon (barring HP Grass versions) and Gengar (barring Energy Ball versions) can't OHKO it (unless Gengar has Specs) In closing, Swampert makes a very reliable lead. In my expierances with it, it almost always took something down.

    You are also horribly Mixape weak. Nothing you have, besides Weezing, can safely switch into one. Even Weezing has his limitations, and still, the opponent can switch out. Sure, one on one, Luke can Extremespeed it, but it does not guarantee a OHKO.

    I agree with Anti about HP Electric Vaporeon over Swampert, but if you want to keep Swampy...Well, you're just inviting Infernape to come and Nasty Plot in on a switch.
     
    Of all the leads out there, Swampert is my least favorite. Always seems that I match up with a grass-using poke. Most likely my bad luck.
     
    Well, take time to think of how many leads actually use grass types. I don't think there's a majority going around.
     
    I said grass type ATTACKS. Not grass types. And that goes for all the Mixapes out there that annoys the hell out of me.
     
    Who switches Infernape into Swampert? Remember, it's a lead Swampert, but I can see where you're coming from. 4x Grass weakness hurts.
     
    I meant lead Mikxape, but no lead is perfect.
     
    Lead Mixape gets hammered down by a lot of things and is easy to counter. But yeah, I guess you always have to predict even the most crazy things.
     
    Er, I'm gonna say no to HP Electric Vaporeon. Breeding for HP is one thing, but breeding it on a bulky Poke (who needs 4 IVs, two of them being HP and Def, which are notoriously difficult to pass down) will drive me insane. And I refuse to Pokesav one, as hacked Pokemon aren't raised with love. >:(

    However, I did just finish soft-resetting for a cool new Azelf, who might be able to go over Gengar to help my Mixape weak. The only problem is that Gyara still hurts bad, and Azelf can't really fit Thunderbolt on his sets. Not that Gengar could really do much after one DD either...

    I'm sorry, but it seems that each post that AC makes brings him closer & closer to WINING TEH INTERNETS.

    ... Wait, what?
     
    Er, I'm gonna say no to HP Electric Vaporeon. Breeding for HP is one thing, but breeding it on a bulky Poke (who needs 4 IVs, two of them being HP and Def, which are notoriously difficult to pass down) will drive me insane. And I refuse to Pokesav one, as hacked Pokemon aren't raised with love. >:(

    However, I did just finish soft-resetting for a cool new Azelf, who might be able to go over Gengar to help my Mixape weak. The only problem is that Gyara still hurts bad, and Azelf can't really fit Thunderbolt on his sets. Not that Gengar could really do much after one DD either...



    ... Wait, what?

    Grass Knot still does a very nice amount of damage to Gyarados.
     
    Oh, cool. But why Grass Knot? Wouldn't a STAB Psychic do more than a regular Grass Knot?

    Grass Knot has 120 base damage against Pokemon that are 200 kg or more. Gyarados weighs 235 kg, meaning you are hitting it with a thunderbolt, or something along those lines.
     
    Grass Knot has 120 base damage against Pokemon that are 200 kg or more. Gyarados weighs 235 kg

    Yeah, I know that. However, factoring in STAB, Psychic has a BP of about 135. 135 > 120.

    meaning you are hitting it with a thunderbolt, or something along those lines.

    No, I'm hitting it with a Grass Knot. Azelf doesn't usually carry Thunderbolt.
     
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