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RMT, again.

airconditioning said:
Yeah, I know that. However, factoring in STAB, Psychic has a BP of about 135. 135 > 120.

Never knew that, I'll take your word for it



No, I'm hitting it with a Grass Knot. Azelf doesn't usually carry Thunderbolt.
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I know that, but 120 base power is pretty strong.
 
Still weaker than base 135.
 
I think that Swampy needs to be Relaxed so that you don't take power away from Surf and Ice Beam. You could use him as a P-Hazer too.
 
Mo Man said:
I think that Swampy needs to be Relaxed so that you don't take power away from Surf and Ice Beam. You could use him as a P-Hazer too.
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It actually is Relaxed. I typed the team from memory (although I did look up Swampy's EVs), and I'm bad with those +Def/+SDef natures. I dunno about PHazing, though. Do I really need it?
 
King Tyranitar said:
I know that, but what I'm trying to say is he doesn't have a huge, glaring Gyarados weakness.
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Wait, maybe I''m late in the convo, but even if he doesn't have a glaring weakness, why use Grass Knot if he's using superior Psychic?
 
sims796 said:
Wait, maybe I''m late in the convo, but even if he doesn't have a glaring weakness, why use Grass Knot if he's using superior Psychic?
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I already admitted to not knowing Psychic had a much higher base power.
 
Just something you could do, not something you really have to do. It could help, or it could cause you to lose a move slot. Your walls will probably hold long enough to stop things getting a clean sweep with a stat boost, so you might not need it.
 
Gengar can still own Cresselia and Dusknoir (barring Shadow Sneak), something Azelf can't do.
 
King Tyranitar said:
Azelf is superior to Gengar in every single way possible.
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That really isn't true...and this will shock you all but I'm not in favor of Azelf >>> Gengar at all in this case. The team's problems are lying on the defensive front, something that Gengar has over Azelf for sure. For the record Gengar also has better coverage, if that means anything.

I don't see what adding an Azelf would do for this team. It's not even close to Gyarados coverage (it can't even revenge kill it without thunderbolt).

I must disagree about Gyarados not staying in on Weezing sims. If your Weezing ends up not having Thunderbolt (and Gyarados is going to scout for it if it's smart), Gyarados will try to set up again and will sweep the team. Sometimes people just assume it doesn't have Thunderbolt and fire off DD waterfalls at it.

Also Swampert is a really good lead. Nothing is going to be knocking it out besides SpecsMence (love that thing) and a Grass Knot Bronzong, and I'm pretty sure not even that OHKOs (and nobody uses Grass Knot Bronzong leads). Inernape leads aren't common at all either.

Weezing isn't the best Gyarados counter, but it works, so I'd go Thunderbolt >>> Sludge Bomb right now and leave it at that. I don't see any usefulness in Sludge Bomb.

With the current lineup, the biggest problems are physical dragons and MixApe. the DDers are stopped by Swampert and if it fails, revenged by Weavile. Anything of a special sweeping variety is handled by Blissey. That basically leaves most Garchomp and also CBmence, as well as a MixApe weakness.

Guess what covers those? Mesprit and Cresselia! Both counter SDchomp and most Salamence, though CBchomp is trouble (but that's a given with any team not carrying a steel). Still, with a CB that means it lacks a Yache Berry which means that Garchomp is OHKOed by Weavile. That's the best I've got. I'm hesitant to put them over Gengar as you lack a way to hit physical walls hard otherwise. I'm hesitant to take out Weavile because it's a last-ditch effort to kill dragons. That leaves Lucario...
 
Bah. Sludge Bomb, along with a more powerful attack, 4HKO's Dos, on top of WoW damage, and bringing itself back up with Pain Split. On the times when I battled Dos (if it didn't switch) I didn't see much usefulness in T-bolt. Along with the fact that I forgot to give it T-Bolt (it had Haze, I forgot to teach it that. Gyarados doesn't do enough damage to scare Weezing off, and most powerful atacks that manages to at least do 50% damage gets Pain Splitted right off.

Only usefulness I see in T-bolt (other than hitting Gya, I suppose), is hitting heatran on the switch (as you are walled by him), but then again, you don't do enough damage to actually pose a threat. Unless one more hit would kill him. Or your relying on the 10% paralysis. Punk.

And sorry, I speak in terms of wifi, not shoddy. The majority of the leads I've faced were MixApe. Leading me to dislike Swampert, as a lead, at least.
 
Gyarados can Taunt Haze and Wow easily. A 4HKO isn't enough when Gyarados 3HKOs with Waterfall after a DD and is faster. Then it's going to sweep his team.
 
For one thing, he can easily go straight for the kill on the turn he uses Taunt, making it three easy hits to land (how did I know Haze was going to get bought up, when I said it had Haze, but I didn't mean for it too). Second, Gengar can easily take Gya out with a T-bolt. Hell, a little prediction can make life easier. And I do mean a little.
 
People seem to forget, Teams on wifi isn't as convinent as pushing edit team, making changes, & bam, perfect 31 IVs, barring perfect Hidden powers, and all shinys.

Geuss we gotta consider that this is a wifi team, and you are burdened with HP & Natures.
 
Well, if it was Pokesav'ed, the thread would be closed :P

But yeah, unless you wanna be a man & go all powah over T-Bolt, use Sludge Bomb. If ya wanna wear a tu-tu, go for coverage on T-Bolt. Ya dame.

Yeah, just shamelessly burning Anti-Pop for a moment. Like Highlander, there can be only one.

But since Gya with at least one DDance gives you issues, go T-Bolt.

You skirt.
 
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