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RMT, again.

airconditioning said:
Hmm... Tentacruel is starting to sound pretty good (Is HP Electric ABSOLUTELY necessary on it, though?). My only worry is leaving Weezing to do all the physical walling by himself.
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If you choose Sludge Bomb on Weezing, yes, it is necessary. You could go with whatever set you want.

Weezing does great as a physical wall. Pain Split lets you gain HP and damage enemies. Just make sure you don't burn Heracross, because Tbolt isn't efficient in taking a SD, Burned Facade.
 
airconditioning said:
Hmm... Tentacruel is starting to sound pretty good (Is HP Electric ABSOLUTELY necessary on it, though?). My only worry is leaving Weezing to do all the physical walling by himself.
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Its not ABSOLUTELY necessary, just use Ice Beam or Sludge Bomb (If you want hit other waters harder than any of your other moves, but otherwise, just use Ice beam).
 
Giga Drain hits waters harder than Sludge Bomb.
 
airconditioning said:
Hmm... Tentacruel is starting to sound pretty good (Is HP Electric ABSOLUTELY necessary on it, though?). My only worry is leaving Weezing to do all the physical walling by himself.
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Not to my experience. Just use Thunderbolt on Weezing.
If someone arguments with 'then Tentacruel can't do anything to Vaporeon/Suicune!', remember they won't like losing their Leftovers. Not to mention Giga Drain is also an option.
 
King Tyranitar said:
Sorry sims, but just because an option seems "sissy" doesn't mean it won't work. Look at Sludge Bomb. What does it cover? Poison is mostly a defensive typing, not offensive. Thunderbolt, however, is electric, which we all know is an offensive type. So, naturally, Thunderbolt will be better for Weezing at countering Gyarados. 4HKOing is not impressive, let's say in the 4HKO, Gyarados DD's twice. Sure, it won't OHKO Weezing, but it puts AC's team in KO range. If the enemy Gyarados is Rest-Talker, it can outstall Weezing.


Tentacruel is a great choice, but it has an EQ/Psychic weakness. It does make a great Mixape counter though. I'd run HP Electric/TSpikes/Surf/Rapid Spin OR Ice Beam over one of these moves.
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For God's sake, King, it was a damn joke, that everyone but you picked up on. It was aimmed towards airconditioning, and he got it. even Anti got it.

Second, please, don't think that you are educating me about anything. Anyone who put a littlte thought in can see that I know that T-Bolt would be betterat taking Gya,, but I say that it isn't the only way. However, you can clearly see that when I said, quite a few times "since his team is Gya weak, he may notbe able to afford using Sludge Bomb over T-Bolt". I also know what the difference between a 4HKO, and what that is. However, if you paidany sort of attention, you'll see my reasoning for that, which I will not go into detail a fifth time.

I have never said that it was a failure because it was the sissy way, and anyone who uses common sense, and has READ EVER POST HERE can see that we were joking. Stop trying to come in & "show off" your kniowledge, because it isn't anything special. Telling him Tenta's weakness is like assuming he doesn't know that common knowledge himself.
 
That's because it wasn't aimmed at you. He knows what counters Tenta, and why it has been suggested. That doesn't help. Sludge Bomb itself wasn't a joke, and any competant rater can see my arguements. If you have been reading the thread, you'll see many times that while I said Sludge Bomb was stronger, he may need T-Bolt instead. I said that more than once, and even quoted that. Trying to come in and tell me how a 4HKO works doesn't mean crap.

The only thing that truly insults me, other than the fact that you didn't bother to really read the post, is that you thought me saying that it was the sissy way of doing things was actually serious,, as if I said it wouldn't work because of that.
 
King Tyranitar said:
You think I don't know it was a joke? :P
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You are in seventh grade. I wouldn't put it past you. :/

King Tyranitar said:
Comments in bold. Internet jokes really fail, especially since this one wasn't particularly funny.
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YOU'RE not particularly funny. What do you have to say to that?

Now that we've got that out of the way, can we turn off the drama switch now? Seriously, it's like everyone in here turned into Anti-Pop. :/

EDIT: Alright, how's this set for Tenta?

Tentacruel @ Leftovers
Nature?
EVs?
- Surf/ Ice Beam
- Knock Off
- Toxic Spikes
- Surf/ HP Electric/ Sludge Bomb

Yeah, I dunno what I'm doing.
 
Ok, guys lets stay to the matter at hand, not arguing about T-Bolt vs Sludge bomb.

T-Bolt is better for this team on Weezing. END.


And King T-Tar, in regards to Tenta, the only Bulky waters Giga Drain hits harder than Sludge Bomb is Swampert, Gastrodon and other 4X weak. Giga Drain = 120 power vs all mono waters and Sludge Bomb gets STAB, thus being stronger on all non 4x grass weak waters.


EDIT : So drop the arguments ALL of them.
 
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I really don't care about this "joke" I deleted my posts. But I will say this: If Weezing dies, Mixape has a very good chance to KO the rest of your team. Tentacruel is bulky, but Starmie outspeeds and easily OHKO's Mixape, regardless of the variant.
 
King Tyranitar said:
I really don't care about this "joke" I deleted my posts. But I will say this: If Weezing dies, Mixape has a very good chance to KO the rest of your team. Tentacruel is bulky, but Starmie outspeeds and easily OHKO's Mixape, regardless of the variant.
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Since when does Weezing stand in the way of MixApe? Flamethrower absolutely smashes Weezing. Unless you meant Tentacruel? It is also quite obvious that when Y's counter for X goes down, X can rip through the rest of Y's team.
 
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Weezing doesn't get completely smashed. It can bother Mixape a hell of a lot (Haze NP's, Tbolt it) and if a Flamethrower will do a lot to Weezing, Pain Split will deal that damage back.
 
King Tyranitar said:
Weezing doesn't get completely smashed. It can bother Mixape a hell of a lot (Haze NP's, Tbolt it) and if a Flamethrower will do a lot to Weezing, Pain Split will deal that damage back.
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You serious? Thunderbolt does barely anything even to Infernape and it will be OHKOed before it can "deal damage back." Weezing is just...totally obliterated. It doesn't even come close to MixApe coverage. Not even close. I must also ask how it will "Haze NP's" when Infernape is faster and OHKOs it with a NP Flamethrower? It's just beyond silly to even try to combat MixApe with Infernape.

I generally don't like Starmie with how easily it gets killed, not to mention that it is really smashed by the CB and Scarf versions of Garchomp. Cresselia is much more reliable...then again Starmie is A LOT better than what you have now so go ahead and use that, especially since it's easier to get ingame.
 
I can get Cresselia (not easily, but that's not the point). I don't want to 'settle' for my team. If Cressy would be better, that's what I want to use.

The only problem is who to put her over. Swampert seems to be the best choice, but doing so would put me out of a lead.
 
Gengar or Weavile (the latter preferably) serve as good leads. Nothing likes taking a Hypnosis, even Sleep-Talkers.
 
Gengar is completely forfeited by Weavile leads, so he's out of the question. And I'd imagine Sleep Talkers would enjoy taking Hypnosis.

As for Weavile, Is he really a good lead? He just seems kinda 'meh' to me. :/
 
He's not an "awesome" lead in my opinion, but he's the best you have, unless you use Weezing (which I STRONGLY advise against)
 
The most effective for me has been Thunder wave/ROFLect (Reflect, yeah stole it from Azelf :P)/Ice beam/Psychic, with Wish Support. Makes it less of a set-up fodder and a heck of a lot harder to hurt. Still, you lack such support so just use the Resttalker.
 
airconditioning said:
Gengar is completely forfeited by Weavile leads, so he's out of the question. And I'd imagine Sleep Talkers would enjoy taking Hypnosis.

As for Weavile, Is he really a good lead? He just seems kinda 'meh' to me. :/
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He was good until people started leading with Bronzongs. When Specsmence and Gengar were common leads, it was great. As the metagame has turned bulky, Weavile is much less useful.
 
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