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RMT:Shoddy Team

Max™

Needs to scarfduggy
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    Gyarados (M) @ Choice Scarf
    Ability: Intimidate
    EVs: 252 Atk/6 Def/252 Spd
    Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
    - Waterfall
    - Earthquake
    - Ice Fang
    - Stone Edge
    This guy fails to impress me. Just like Archer said, most people expect Tauntrados so I smash 'em with my scarfed Demon. Lately Husk teams have been used a lot and scarfed waterfall on Aero is pretty funny.

    Porygon2 @ Lum Berry
    Ability: Trace
    EVs: 252 HP/68 Def/80 SAtk/110 SDef
    Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Discharge
    - Ice Beam
    - Recover
    - Toxic
    This thing is AWESOME. I took the EVs from T_S's Porygon2 and apparently, had the exact same moveset by fluke ^^. Counters Gyarados and Garchomps that think Porygon2 is inferior to Porygon-Z and Toxic for Swampert and friends.(As mentioned by T_S)

    Lucario (M) @ Choice Band
    Ability: Inner Focus
    EVs: 252 Atk/252 SAtk
    Adamant Nature
    - Extremespeed
    - Close Combat
    - Swords Dance
    -Crunch
    Oh yea this is fun! Lucario with SD plain powns!

    Blissey (F) @ Nothing
    Ability: Natural Cure
    EVs: 40 HP/252 Def/216 SDef
    Calm nature (+SDef, -Atk)
    - Aromatherapy
    - Thunder Wave
    - Softboiled
    - Seismic Toss
    Pretty standard. My team has problems with status so I threw in Blissey.

    Gallade (M) @ Salac Berry
    Ability: Steadfast
    EVs: 252 Atk/252 Spd
    Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
    - Bulk Up
    - Shadow Sneak
    - Close Combat
    - Psycho Cut
    My standard. Shadow sneak to make up for the lousy speed. Close combat and Phycho Cut for STABed.

    Gengar (M) @ Wide Lens
    Ability: Levitate
    EVs: 252 Spd/252 SAtk
    Naive nature (+Spd, -SDef)
    - Thunderbolt
    - Shadow Ball
    - Focus Blast
    - Hypnosis
    Now this team wouldnt be complete without a fast finisher so lets give Gengar a warm welcome! Focus Blast for Rocks, Steels and Normals. Shadow Ball for STABed and other ghosty and phychics. Tbolt for water and SKarmory.

    cmon ppl its not that BAD? or is it?
     
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    I'd also like to see why you're using Naive >> Timid for Gengar's nature (Don't give me the "unable to breed for the nature" excuse, this is Shoddy.) You have no Explosion either. Also, Lucario with Brave is not good. T-Tar will smash you. Please, just run the SD set or use the same set and use Max Speed + Adamant. I also recommend a T-Tar counter, Gallade can not be relied on and your Brave Lucario certainly will not KO with Vacuum Wave. (I don't know if Bullet Punch will KO, but I doubt it will) Also, like Archer has said, consider Adamant on your ScarfDos. It's a bit too weak with Jolly and I can't see it outspeeding anything it already can't with Adamant, besides ScarfCross who can't really hurt you much.
    "You are 6-0ed by T-Tar if it gets a DD" <-- Especially Jolly ones, since Adamant ones risk being KOed by Gengar.
    Calculations:
    Damage: 239 - 281
    Damage: 69.88% - 82.16% <--- Your Jolly Scarf Gyara does that with Waterfall to 342 HP/256 Def T-Tar (4 HP/Min), see why Adamant is on all Gyara sets? :D

    Damage: 249 - 293
    Damage: 72.81% - 85.67% <--- Vacuum Wave from your Lucario does that much to 342 HP/236 SpD T-Tar (4 HP/Min) Although T-Tar gets boosted by Sandstorm, so the SpD is actually 354 for it. :D

    Damage: 181 - 213
    Damage: 52.92% - 62.28% <--- Bullet Punch from your Brave CB Cario does that to 342 HP/256 Def T-Tar (4 HP/Min).

    All three of these fail to KO. =[

    I recommend Machamp >> Gallade, to counter T-Tar. Gallade also seems to do nothing for your team so it's highly recommended. Also, DDTar comes out late-game where things are either severely weakened or dead (yes I refuse to say fainted, it's silly IMO). So, Lucario and Gyara are probably dead, or one of them has died and the other will be threatened. (For Lucario, EQ. While Gyarados can't take Stone Edge at all)
     
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    Maxgauge said:
    Gyarados (M) @ Leftovers/Wacan Berry
    Ability: Intimidate
    EVs: 252 HP, 12 Atk, 204 Def, 40 Sp. Def
    Adamant nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
    - Rest
    - Sleep Talk
    - Ice Fang
    - Stone Edge/Earthquake/Waterfall/Toxic
    This guy fails to impress me. Just like Archer said, most people expect Tauntrados so I smash 'em with my scarfed Demon. Lately Husk teams have been used a lot and scarfed waterfall on Aero is pretty funny.

    Choice Scarf is...bad. This is my own set, and it works VERY well. This has a chance to not be 2HKO'd by CB Heracross Stone Edge (very good chance), and can survive plenty of threats, while definately 2HKO'ing Garchomp with Ice Fang, and high chance of 2HKO'ing Gliscor. (Definate if you have SR support) This can become your Physical wall, and switches in very well. Wacan Berry is for the likes of Starmie, Deoxys-e and Thunderpunch Metagross mainly, but leftovers is more reliable.

    Porygon2 @ Lum Berry
    Ability: Trace
    EVs: 252 HP/68 Def/80 SAtk/110 SDef
    Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Discharge
    - Ice Beam
    - Recover
    - Toxic
    This thing is AWESOME. I took the EVs from T_S's Porygon2 and apparently, had the exact same moveset by fluke ^^. Counters Gyarados and Garchomps that think Porygon2 is inferior to Porygon-Z and Toxic for Swampert and friends.(As mentioned by T_S)

    tah. ;)

    Lucario (M) @ Life Orb
    Ability: Inner Focus
    EVs: 252 Atk, 252 Spd, 6 HP
    Adamant nature (+Atk, -Spd)
    - Extremespeed
    - Close Combat
    - Swords Dance
    - Crunch
    Oh yea this is fun! Lucario with Choice Band plain powns. No need for speed investments because majority are Priority.Vacuum Wave for people who think it's Specs just to switch their Blisseys in on a Close Combat.

    SD Lucario pwns stuff. D-E is probably your best mixed sweeper currently, so use this to its full advantage, and that is pwning stuff. =p Extremespeed is your main weapon against Deoxys-E, after a SD it's a guaranteed OHKO. Crunch for Gengar/Cress/Dusknoir etc.

    Blissey (F) @ Nothing
    Ability: Natural Cure
    EVs: 40 HP/252 Def/216 SDef
    Calm nature (+SDef, -Atk)
    - Aromatherapy
    - Thunder Wave
    - Softboiled
    - Seismic Toss
    Pretty standard. My team has problems with status so I threw in Blissey.

    fine, just perhaps 100 HP, 252 Def, 156 Sp. Def

    Gallade (M) @ Leftovers/Life Orb
    Ability: Steadfast
    EVs: 252 Atk/252 Spd
    Adamant nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
    - Swords Dance
    - Shadow Sneak/Night Slash/Psycho Cut
    - Close Combat
    - Hypnosis
    My standard. Shadow sneak to make up for the lousy speed. Close combat and Phycho Cut for STABed.

    Bulk Up when running Close Combat is redundent, as I found out. =p Hypnosis gives you an easy Swords Dance. Shadow Sneak is great for D-E, but not much else, so think perhaps Night Slash/Psycho Cut here.

    Gengar (M) @ Life Orb
    Ability: Levitate
    EVs: 252 Spd/252 SAtk
    Timid nature (+Spd, -SDef)
    - Thunderbolt
    - Shadow Ball
    - Focus Blast
    - Hypnosis
    Now this team wouldnt be complete without a fast finisher so lets give Gengar a warm welcome! Focus Blast for Rocks, Steels and Normals. Shadow Ball for STABed and other ghosty and phychics. Tbolt for water and SKarmory.

    Timid and Life Orb please. Wide Lens is hopeless here really, making 70%-77% isn't much compared to being able to KO things.

    cmon ppl its not that BAD? or is it?
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    This looks a lot like my team, but I'm not complaining. =p (I did run Gallade for awhile there, for D-E)

    Yeah, so as Archer pointed out, you don't have a major Physical Wall, but by changing Gyarados up a bit, you've found a great Physical Tank that's able to KO major threats like Garchomp and Gliscor, and with EQ you could even give Lucario a scare. (Haven't run calcs there though, you may wanna check)

    Good luck!

    ~T_S
     
    Seriously, Gallade is doing nothing for this team. I would place a Physical Wall over it. Considering you don't have any Dragons, it is a great opportunity to give Gliscor a go. Or if stealth rock becomes a problem for Gyarados, you could run a Forretress. It laughs at Deoxys and hits it with a STABed 150 power Gyro Ball.
     
    my team has a somewhat problem taking out Bronzongs. THe best I can usually do with it is put it to sleep with gengar and FOcus Blast and Shadow BAll it for neutral. None of my guys carry a fire move so I'm going back to the normal, NP Azelf! If it doesnt fit with my team or opens a weakness of some sort, someone tell me.

    Azelf @ Leftovers
    Modest
    252spa/252spe/6hp
    Nasty Plot
    Grass Knot
    Flamethrower
    Phychic

    Grass knot for bulky grounds and waters and sometimes ground/water. Flamethrower for Skarmoryu and BRonzong, Phychic for Gengar and Weezing and other Poison types + its a reliable STABed!!!
     
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