Alrighty, glad to see you guys interpreted my argument as I had intended it to be interpreted! So let's get the ball rolling once more (hopefully with a less tl;dr type atmosphere haha).
@D_A: Lots to cover, lol.
First, the idea that anything with a strong STAB move fits the support characteristic under my logic...well, I think you know that isn't true lol. The difference between Draco, Leaf Storm, and Overheat is simple and obvious: the type. Dragon is only resisted by one type. Fire is resisted by Waters, Dragons, other Fire-types, and Rock-types. Just look at the common OU Pokemon that resist it - Tyranitar, Suicune, Gyarados, Vaporeon, Salamence, Heatran (immune), Snorlax (Thick Fat, though he isn't too common anymore), Latias, Kingdra, Swampert...all of these Pokemon can take these attacks at least to some extent. Some of them take a ton of damage (see: Salamence), but a lot of Pokemon can take an Overheat from Specs Heatran. Heatran also does not have the benefit of a lot of Speed or the freedom to switch attacks, so it has trouble with anything faster with a recovery move or anything that can take its attack twice (the second one being weakened) that can then recover its health. SpecsTran also does not pose any threat at all to Blissey, which cannot be said about Salamence since Outrage is a 2HKO, and thus it can be risky to bring Blissey in (though as I mentioned, not to a great extent if it's on a stall team). Leaf Storm is basically a worse version of Overheat used primarily by Pokemon not as good as Heatran and certainly not Salamence. In other words, there is a difference for two main reasons: Salamence is a better user of its respective high-powered attack, and its type is far superior to Fire or Grass. On this first point especially I would like to emphasize that every other user of a high-powered attack has a reasonable amount of counters and checks, while Salamence does not. This certainly sets Salamence apart considerably. As for Dragonite, it is a slow Pokemon that locks itself into Outrage in order to be uncounterable. It does not have the freedom to switch attacks or switch out like Salamence has after using Draco Meteor. There's a reason no one uses CB Dragonite.
Ginger said:
Now i know the other pokemon i mentioned (Dragonite and Heatran) have other problems but if they get in you still risk losing something and that is what im trying to get at.
All of them have counters/are easily disposed of if they use a move with any kind of power. CB Dragonite is never used much for a good reason--it relies on Outrage to be uncounterable, which is essentially a death sentence whether it gets a kill or not. And its Speed DOES have an impact on its ability to impose risk on an opponent since it can't set up on as many things.
And no, Scizor taking 60% from DM isn't fitting the support characteristic, but you literally picked the example I used in saying that Salamence almost never has that little of an impact. As I mentioned, you're more skilled than the players you play against who use MixMence. Just like how I am more skilled than most of the players I fought when I used MixMence against others. And of course, 60% to Scizor happens over the course of one time Salamence is in only, and usually I almost never got less than two chances to unleash it. I won't disagree with your statement but it sure is mighty misleading/not really relevant, lol.
The characteristics, while I disagree with you extremely on them for very simple reasons I'll outline on the server, I will not mention them beyond this "paragraph" since their effectiveness or lack thereof is not relevant to whether or not Salamence should be tested or not. You could make a discussion thread on it though Ginger.
Also, before I counter that very last point (which I think is your best, so I will naturally keep you waiting <3), I just wanted to point out how humorous it is to me that most of your arguments apply to Pokemon in the Uber tier already like Shaymin-S and Rayquaza. Since Skymin still has pro-OU sentiment I'll move right to Rayquaza. You can "outplay" any version of Rayquaza, it gets its ass kicked by residual damage, and it has a handy weakness to Steel-typed revenge killers. Since these are the main "proven" ways of beating Salamence I am aware of, their relevance to Rayquaza makes me chuckle. Yes yes I know that "Rayquaza is way more powerful" but that doesn't significantly damage either argument. After all, you can switch Scizor into a Rayray Draco, take a bit more damage but still live, and now it's in a tough situation! onoes! If Rayray DDes and you bring in ScarfGar on it well it's going to have to switch out and then take SR damage again! onoes! I could easily make my own satirical thread for Rayquaza becoming OU so I mean...yeah lol. Just some food for thought =3.
Lastly, the fact that I don't really mention Outrage in my reason for a test of Mence despite that being what inspired it in the first place. This is a good point, but I will explain why Outrage is a major contributing factor. First of all, it made the DD set what it is, which means that more often than you'd think, people will switch a DDMence counter (like Porygon2) into Draco Meteor and just get creamed, lol. Outrage also helps as a late-game sweeping move, which can sometimes be helpful. As for my other main point, which is that while MixMence does not actually use Outrage much, the very threat of it is enough to have an impact, especially on how gutsy Blissey is to switch in. It also makes for easy kills on Latias that thinks it can come in when you're at -2 and it gets creamed yet again. It's nothing overwhelming, and indeed, many of the things I argue can be said for other Pokemon. However, The set simply would not be as good without Outrage. what Outrage does is it allows Salamence to support itself in a sweep since it can now pose that threat, though it's usually temporary since LO recoil and the fact that Outrage confuses do tend to hurt its longevity. However, I can't seriously argue against this point, and along with stall teams is definitely something I'll have to keep in mind as I somewhat reluctantly support a Salamence test.
@Cute Cutegross
Not much to really disagree with, but I tried (and likely failed) to say that "what if" situations can be valid...obviously not the ones you posted, so no disagreement there, but stuff like "what if Scizor switches into Draco Meteor" and we have ourselves a ballgame. Though I don't know if that's really what you mean by a what-if situation. I'm not going to speak for the Smogoners who made those arguments though since they should be speaking for themselves (and their arguments should be speaking for themselves as well).
Hopefully that about covers it, haha.