More self-loathing from yours truly,
And now it's even more prediction-reliant. If my opponent has Clefable and Heatran, that's a much harder prediction to make than if they just have Heatran. Also, locking yourself into Iron Tail sucks, and is another "win the battle/lose the war" scenario.
Actually I think I'm going to agree with you on ScarfMoxie and will probably update the OP.
But I'll just say this: of course you need heavy prediction, just like in BW. BTW, many teams in BW carried two steel-types on their team. I remember the Torn-T era where I fought tons of sample Politoed/Torn-T/Ferrothorn/Jirachi/Tentacruel/Dugtrio. Even after Torn-T's ban, these teams carried Moltres or some other hurricane spammer. There are lots of things that come in play here. Your opponent needs to tell which set your Salamence carries. Secondly, you could always double switch.
And now that problem is even worse. If you don't see why this matters, then I honestly don't know what to tell you. This is like saying that Alakazam was already walled by Chansey, so the introduction of Tyranitar is irrelevant/did not hurt Alakazam's viability. Of course it did.
Alakazam isn't even walled by Chansey, it can run Encore and turn the tables on it. Then there's the fact that Alakazam outspeeds even ScarfTar.
These ill-defined "people" are of little concern to us here. You're arguing with no one.
Doing so is a surefire way to start a bad discussion.
And yes, as most good players will tell you, Salamence is outclassed, as you have noted. Yet you keep presenting a false choice, or false mutual exclusivity, between its viability being hampered by other Pokemon outclassing it and Fairies making it less effective. Both of these things can be true, and they are in this case. You're frustrated that people act like the latter reason (Fairies) is the only reason Salamence is not very viable, but then you do the same thing by attaching yourself to the former reason (being outclassed) and presenting equally simplistic rhetoric. That is the fundamental absurdity of this thread's mission.
Sorry but you make your opinion sound like a fact here...
(In fact, your argument is even more skewed since it denies that any other reason besides the one you've presented could possibly affect its viability. This is exactly the type of reasoning that craps up threads like this. Ugh.)
Any good Mega Altaria will be running EQ, Fire Blast, or both. Mega Gardevoir almost always runs a move for Steel-types, and Mag takes a huge chunk (like 40% or something) from Timid Hyper Voice anyway. Mega Diancie indeed runs Earth Power. Clefable can hit it with Flamethrower on the switch. Azumarill is going to lose this match-up unless Mag tries to switch in on it.
Of the five, three outright beat Magnezone 1v1. It can't switch in on the other two (though it can on many Clefable variants). I don't know what to tell you.
Not all Mega Altaria run max speed and not all Mega Gardy run Focus Miss or HP Ground. Ultimately though, this is completely based on prediction.
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When I said "this is probably not a good way to tell you...". But seriously, ever used Mence in XY?
The bolded line is a non-sequitur. Your evidence does not prove your claim. It's not that you're wrong to say that Fairies might struggle to switch in, but
you never demonstrate why this means that Fairies don't affect its viability. It might seem self-explanatory, but flesh out the logic (or illogic) more and it falls apart. The underlying assumption of the above argument, then, is that so long as a Pokemon has trouble switching into something, it doesn't hamper something's viability. Or that, if a Pokemon can muscle past a check with a coverage move, that the check in question does not hold the other mon back. Something like that. The reasoning is actually quite ill-defined, which is why it is porous logic in the first place.
Whatever the underlying assumption is, it doesn't address the pressures of execution that I discussed in detail in previous posts (which still hasn't been addressed at all except for a repetition of this same argument about "well they can't switch in so HA!"). If you're going to just ignore the nuances of the game that others are presenting because they don't fit your notion of viability, then there isn't much point in posting a thread like this.
Also, any Fairy puts pressure on it since they can all cripple, OHKO, and/or set up on it. I don't know what you mean by "pressure" if mons that are faster with a STAB super-effective attack like Mega Diancie apparently don't count. ?_? Are you talking about hard checks? Be more precise.
Hypotetical scenario, assuming SR is up on both sides and Diancie is already Mega Evolved (since we're talking about it and it actually outspeeds Mence):
Let's see. My offensive Heatran just killed your Magnezone. You have a DD Salamence and you switch it in on my Heatran. I also have a Mega Diancie at 60% health. You switch in your Mence and take Stealth Rock damage. If I switch to Diancie as you use Dragon Dance, I lose. If I switch to Diancie as you use Earthquake, I lose. If I stay in with Heatran as you use Earthquake, I lose. If I stay in with Heatran as you use Dragon Dance... Flash Cannon deals like 55% damage, and your Mence can still kill two Pokemon before succumbing to LO recoil, so you could say that I lose.
This applies to basically any fairy-type not named Azumarill, which needs to be at full health. I apologize if I sound ignorant.
That's the problem: Mence can take advantage of all fairies if it manages to boost. MixMence deals heavy damage with EQ + Iron Tail. Even ScarfMoxie can 2HKO all of them with good prediction and SR.
This is not the type of thread that helps bad players get better. Threads that do are actually constructive.
