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Serena's Character

Aquacorde

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    Since we got such a lovely discussion out of the "Should I watch BW" thread, I've moved all relevant posts over here. Okay? We're on-topic now, yay. Continue on.

    BasedNate said:
    Definitely. In my opinion, Pokemon the Series: XY is 10000000x times better than B/W. (Although I like B/W's villains better). XY Series got everything from the previous series as evidenced in the episode.
    Original Series: Writing & humor
    Advanced Generations: This 4 people mechanic thing
    Battle Frontier, Diamond & Pearl: Ash being a lot smarter in battles
    Black & White: A more serious Team Rocket

    All this evidenced in the episodes. I like Bonnie better than Max (Found him pretty annoying) and well... Brock is still my favorite companion of all time, although Clemont is pretty cool too with his technology stuff. Serena is already better than Dawn & May cause she's braver than the both of them. And Serena actually has a backstory with Ash so there's that. When Charizard came along in B/W, the show actually got a bit better. I couldn't really tolerate B/W due to Iris' annoying voice & Cilan's obsession with comparing life to food.

    I'm sure skipping B/W will be a good idea & go for a much better series which is XY..
     
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    . Serena is already better than Dawn & May cause she's braver than the both of them. ..

    Uh, what? Serena has actually been rather useless in XY so far, and I've watched up to the Japanese episodes. Serena hasn't battled once since her debut, not in a real battle anyway.

    I don't know where you get Serena is "braver" from since she is almost always in the background and has never once jumped into the action. She's actually the first female companion to not even attempt to battle in like 20 episodes since she got her starter.

    Unless Serena improves in the next few months and/or gets a decent goal, she's on track to being one of the weaker heroines of the series.
     
    Uh, what? Serena has actually been rather useless in XY so far, and I've watched up to the Japanese episodes. Serena hasn't battled once since her debut, not in a real battle anyway.

    I don't know where you get Serena is "braver" from since she is almost always in the background and has never once jumped into the action. She's actually the first female companion to not even attempt to battle in like 20 episodes since she got her starter.

    Unless Serena improves in the next few months and/or gets a decent goal, she's on track to being one of the weaker heroines of the series.

    Not battling does not mean she isn't courageous. Maybe she's going to be a female Brock (Except w/o flirting). From what I'm seeing so far, in fact, she's definitely heading for a Brock-like direction. Have you seen the D&P series? Brock is actually a pretty damn strong trainer. Especially his all-star Croagunk on his team. He's not a wimp as well which as stated before, Serena is the female Brock, so idk what you're trying to say here
     
    What precita's saying is that Serena has had no real opportunity to prove she is brave. We can infer that she is intelligent with good deductive reasoning skills (coming up with plans on the spot, being the first to assess danger and get the heck away). We know that she cares about Bonnie and puts Bonnie's safety over her own (protecting her from stray electricity etc). But do those things equate to bravery? Not really. Especially considering that she's usually reactive rather than proactive- courage/bravery is more a deliberate facing of fear/danger as opposed to an instinctive reaction. It's not even that she doesn't battle- it's that she doesn't usually even try to. She doesn't want to get into the fray. And that behaviour isn't... brave.

    Beyond that, I have no idea what you're talking about Brock's strength for. The few times Serena's battled (or rather, tried to battle), she and Fennekin have either not done much or had to be rescued by someone. She is not strong. She doesn't know how to battle. Her timid forays into the art are not at all comparable to Brock's strength and capabilities- he was a gym leader for years. She got her first Pokémon extremely recently. He knows how to nurture and raise Pokémon. She has no idea. The only similarities there is that neither got much for development (as it stands) and both can cook. She's so not a female Brock, and she isn't really headed in that direction. She would have to be much more interested in Pokémon to be going that route.
     
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    Okay, whatever floats your boat then. It all comes down into preference. Bravery comes in a variety of ways as long you put others before yourself which was exactly what you explained in the first paragraph. Courage doesn't always amount into getting violent. And yes, you're right on two things. First being she isn't strong, but she still got that potential to be a prodigy if Serena wanted too; evidenced when she actually battled. Second, she does know some basic breeding, although obviously of course not as experienced as Brock, but I'ma stop from here because this convo doesn't belong in the thread. If you want to reply from what I've said, then I guess you can make a topic about it or send me a VM. Sorry.
     
    Oooor I can clean up the previous topic by removing all the off-topic posts and sticking them over here so the conversation may continue. :) :)

    It's not about getting violent at all though. Battling isn't even relevant here. Bravery is about facing danger and your own fear. And Serena doesn't do that. She runs off, stays in the background, has to be rescued. She hasn't shown much courage- the only times she's done so is when she's been protecting Bonnie. And that's more instinctual than brave.

    While it's true that she has potential, she hasn't exactly done anything yet. All of her battles have been on or two embers and usually resulted in her having to be bailed out. That's not getting her anywhere. She doesn't train with Fennekin. And I'm really confused as to why you claim she knows basic breeding, because she has never shown that she does. The most she's shown is knowledge about Rhyhorn, and she knows all of that because her mother taught her. Which would be all well and cool if it were actually applicable to more than one episode.
     
    Ha. I guess that's good too. Well, it accounts on both. But nonetheless, imo, she's still more useful than the three previous Pokegirls cause she actually likes Ash and will do anything to protect him, Bonnie, and Clemont. Although, I shouldn't judge before more episodes show up, however, I'm guessing that's what going to happen lol.

    Since this thread is about Serena's character, here's my take on her character.
    Uniqueness. Now, you and I both gotta agree her character is kinda refreshing from previous companions Ash traveled with. Both have a backstory together and the shipping has skyrocketed ever since Pokeshipping started which leads to the show gaining more popularity. Thanks to that, I can see this show gaining some refreshing new ideas to keep viewers entertained thanks to Serena's character development. Don't get me wrong though, it's not only her that's making me wanna anticipate another PKMN episode (Haven't done it since Johto series), it's also thanks to Ash's improvement as a trainer, Bonnie & Clemont is pretty awesome too.

    Serena isn't all that perfect though. I do have some few criticisms like she needs to battle a lot more cause it's obvious that she could be a good trainer and we haven't really know her goal as of yet. I think the show just needs to focus on her more.
     
    idk like you said it's a bit early to compare her to the other girls beyond basic traits and actions in similar situations. She definitely needs more development- her defining traits at the beginning were 'Rhyhorn Racer' (which she doesn't do) and 'childhood crush on Ash' (which is her only reason for anything and that's kinda gross). She's shown 'innovation' and 'intelligence' and acquired 'big sister'. That's two personal traits and two relationship traits that are active. She also has some side things like baking, sewing, and cookery which are very feminine and fit with her character but... I want more from her.
     
    Same here. Like I said before, the show needs to focus more on her. She has pretty high potential. Hopefully, with the new movie coming out soon, we'll get to see what she's capable of. Btw, I've never really watch all the latest Japanese episodes yet. I kinda stopped at the mansion because I actually like the dub more.
     
    Fair enough! You've not missed much for character development tbh. She does have a focus episode coming soon (in Japanese) but I'm still suspicious on how much of it is going to be development vs prancing around being cute. I just really, really don't like that they're currently going the fanservice route- shipping, adorable/hotness, costumes- rather than the developmental route. Pokémon's actually been pretty good about avoiding the fanservice and I don't want to see that standard fall.
     
    Haha why not both? xD
    If she can have some more character development, I'm putting her to Misty's league. In all honestly, I was never really a fan at watching Japanese subs mainly because I can't stand Japanese voices. The only time I do watch subs is when I get impatient over the next episode lmao.

    Let's hope this next episode you're talking about focuses on giving her the developmental route. If not, I'd probably like Dawn a bit better :P
     
    Problem is Serena isn't really doing anything all that new. We've seen a beginning female trainer done twice over now and even Serena's crush on Ash was done with Misty over a decade ago. The only thing unqiue is the childhood aspect.

    The thing is Serena actually does so little in the series. She's done less in her beginning episodes than any past character, even Misty. After May got into battling and pokemon rather quickly and Dawn knew what she wanted to do from the start, its rather disappointing that Serena has been mostly a background character.
     
    Aquacorde said:
    It's not about getting violent at all though. Battling isn't even relevant here. Bravery is about facing danger and your own fear. And Serena doesn't do that. She runs off, stays in the background, has to be rescued. She hasn't shown much courage- the only times she's done so is when she's been protecting Bonnie. And that's more instinctual than brave.
    On the whole subject of whether or not Serena can be called brave, I would argue that she's about as brave as Citron and Eureka are. She (as well as the aforementioned two) has been perfectly willing to rush after danger in order to solve whatever the problems of the episode are - helping (or attempting to help, in the latter case) to rescue either Satoshi or Platane-Hakase from the Rocket-dan, joining everyone else in tracking down Daz, willing to help Citron re-take his Gym from the Citroid. That all but one of those problems have been solved by someone else doesn't change the fact that she was willing to do whatever she could to help in the first place. She's no "scale a tall building to save an insane, rampaging Gaburias" Satoshi, but most characters aren't.

    That she's been unable to really do anything can be put down to a couple of reasons. The first, and most problematic, is that the show hasn't been very good about giving Serena chances where she - and only she and her Pokemon - can solve a problem. I personally think XY007 was a big missed opportunity in that regard. The Rocket-dan have kidnapped the Sihorn and Pikachu while Satoshi, the usual hero in these things, and the other racers are in trouble and unable to do anything about it. It was a Serena-focused episode and she and Fokko alone should have been the ones to drive the Rockets off and fix everything. Serena rescuing Satoshi from the Rocket-dan would have been a nice reversal from the scene we had seen earlier in that episode, where Satoshi "saved" Serena at the camp. But instead the action in that scene is split between Serena and Fokko, Citron and Horubee, Eureka, and the Sihorn so her part there became diluted. It's noticeable that Serena couldn't be the center of attention in the climax of her own focus episode when the show will willingly have all the other characters sit on the sidelines whenever Satoshi or Citron need to be in the limelight.

    The other reason is that Serena is a rookie trainer and, as such, her capabilities are understandably pretty limited. She's not very knowledgable like Citron is, nor does she have the advantage of having been at it for awhile like Satoshi. And honestly, if an episode needs a main character to be a kidnapped by the Rocket-dan I would rather see Serena in trouble than someone like Satoshi and be left wondering why he can't handle himself after he's been shown to be able to before (I hated Best Wishes for pulling stuff like that). But in the end, this is another fault of the XY anime's handling of the character in that she's never seen taking any steps to rectify the situation. All the training that we see is done by Satoshi and his Pokemon and/or Citron and his. In XY015 Serena remained on the sidelines again while Citron and Harimaron had two practice battles with Satoshi and Keromatsu and Eureka and Dedenne. We might have gotten a practice battle with Serena and Fokko, too, but unfortunately not.

    But in and of itself I don't think that's a bad thing. We know Serena doesn't really know what she wants to do on her journey, which was only initiated in the first place because she saw a boy she once met years ago on television. That's actually a pretty interesting flaw to give a character on this show, and it would understandably translate into a general inactivity with Pokemon. I could actually get behind a story that develops Serena from that into someone more independent by the end of the anime, who has her own goal in mind (this would set up her inevitable departure from the anime) - a goal that she decides to do because it's something she likes. I would love for someone to ask her point blank just why she's on a journey with Pokemon in the first place, and to see what her answer would be. But unfortunately, even if that's the intention there's should have been some indication by now that that's where they're taking Serena as a character. There's been no indication where they're going with Serena at all, and we're 18 - soon to be 19 (and we already know there's no chance for Serena to take on a big role there) - episodes in now. All the major arcs should have been set up already.

    I like Serena's personality and I think she can be entertaining when she's doing something, so I have nothing against the character herself. I don't even care that she doesn't have a goal. I just wish the show would give us a sense of how this journey is affecting her and where she's headed on it. XY021, if nothing else, should at least be able to show us that much.
     
    Problem is Serena isn't really doing anything all that new. We've seen a beginning female trainer done twice over now and even Serena's crush on Ash was done with Misty over a decade ago. The only thing unqiue is the childhood aspect.

    The thing is Serena actually does so little in the series. She's done less in her beginning episodes than any past character, even Misty. After May got into battling and pokemon rather quickly and Dawn knew what she wanted to do from the start, its rather disappointing that Serena has been mostly a background character.

    Key word being decade ago. The difference between Misty & Serena's crush is that Serena is obvious whereas Misty leaves hints. This is 2014 now, why not rehash some ideas from the original series & make it into a fruition? Not much would be good. I mean, it's not like most of us remember how each episode went from the original series right? Remember the show is mostly aimed for children & some teen/adult fan services. As I said before, maybe she'll be going down the Brock path (Different goal ofc). She'll be there to help the gang cook, maybe learn more about breeding to further aid them, and ofc - Ash x Serena fan service. This is actually a pretty good idea from the company to get most viewer's different perspective to the show into making them interested on what's going to happen next. Maybe it is somewhat of a good thing they didn't pay attention to Serena's main goal in the show because they wanna keep us in our seats on what she really wants to do, get me? Which is exactly what they're doing to me now although it's not just Serena, this new Ash, Clemont, and Bonnie is pretty awesome too.

    Ps: Still can't wait for the whole intro theme to come out. Would love to hear a full version of "I Wanna Be The Very Best" remix.
     
    I liked Serena the moment she got sassy with her mother. "Well something unbelievable has happened to my face, okay?" made me LOL for 10 minutes. So good. Keep in mind, though, that I've only seen the first few episodes of XY. I'm saving the rest for after I finish DP.

    Serena is a new direction, in all honesty - she's not sure what she wants to do and is trying to find what that is. Her character development will come progressively, but it's unfortunate how she's taken a backseat. Why not have her actually trying things in early episodes in addition to Rhyhorn racing?

    Really, all she's done so far is crush on Ash and want to journey with him, but that's because if anyone can help her find her passion, it's him. He already ignited her spirit once, after all - yet another unique take. Ash already knew her and invited her along, which caused the shippers to go up in a tizzy.

    I'm not sure if I'm going to like the upcoming Serena episode because furries creep me out and what Serena is doing is... yeah. I'm hoping I'm wrong about that, but that tail is just... no. No, no, no.

    Serena has already proven she can be likable. She needs to keep the sass, the seeking of her goal, and the feelings for Ash. She could turn out to be a great character if that's the route they take, but they definitely beyond definitely need to flesh her out over the next three years and not just throw something at her last-minute as an excuse to leave her travels with Ash. Which is what I am afraid of...
     
    I would love if Serena was like those character who act sweet & graceful but has a explosive temper that make other scare of her.
    Like Maria (Hayate no gotoku) Or Adult Tamao (Shaman king flower)
    Let be honest , Fans like Aggressive character even if they badmouthed them .
    That why people liked character such as Misty , Ursula & Sassy Serena.
    Ursula seemed even more popular then Zoey , Dawn's main rival.
    After all , Too sweet & nice character are Boring !!!
     
    I would love if Serena was like those character who act sweet & graceful but has a explosive temper that make other scare of her.
    Like Maria (Hayate no gotoku) Or Adult Tamao (Shaman king flower)
    Let be honest , Fans like Aggressive character even if they badmouthed them .
    That why people liked character such as Misty , Ursula & Sassy Serena.
    Ursula seemed even more popular then Zoey , Dawn's main rival.
    After all , Too sweet & nice character are Boring !!!

    Rather than tacking on traits, she just needs more character depth besides being the "airheaded fanservice girl." The opportunities have been there for the writers to do so, but they're neglecting the chances they've already given themselves.
     
    I didn't read all of these posts, because they seemed to be saying the same thing. First off, Serena is very different from the other girls. We cannot compare her to them for that reason, she came in much later, she met Ash at a gym and knew him in childhood, and she had no real go other than to travel at the moment. She is also very shy it seems. I like it, but I don't. It is one reason I never like Hinata in Naruto. I wish she had that attitude that she showed in the first episode or whenever, she was first introduced.

    The reason Brock is far stronger, is because he was a gym leader and he was in 4 generations. Serena is new and is just now starting on her journey like May and Dawn, however there is no contests, so she can't be a contest girl. She also seems to be smart in cases. To be honest, it is hard to say that she is useless or not, because most of the episodes have been fillers, no one has even caught a pokemon sense the first 10 episodes.

    I think we should wait until the episode focused around Serena comes out. Which should be in a few weeks.
     
    Why would anyone want Serena to be like Brock anyway? You want her to do nothing but stand in the background and talk about Ash's battles in every episode? Brock got very little focus in every region he was in and he rarely battled at all.

    Serena's character so far is a mixture of early Hoenn May with Dawn's girliness and love for fashion. Couple that with the crush on Ash and she just feels like aspects of Misty/May/Dawn combined into one character.
     
    I just really, really don't like that they're currently going the fanservice route- shipping, adorable/hotness, costumes- rather than the developmental route. Pokémon's actually been pretty good about avoiding the fanservice and I don't want to see that standard fall.

    I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE.

    I see this too and it's disappointing. It's kinda making me be annoyed she's there. :c Let's give her a personality other than, "I'm so cute teehee." I don't want Pokemon to go that route... But again, the show isn't made for ME per se. xD
     
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