shaymin or regigigas

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Coolness wise, both suck. But I guess Regigigas takes it since I love the Regi's. In competative battling, however, Shaymin is the clear victor. It's Seed Flare is just damn broken; able to beat Blissey pretty quickly.

 

[Luck]

I would think technically Phione is the weakest legendary. :P

If phione actually qualifies as a legendary.
remember that legendaries are supposed to be legends.
since its possible to get limitless phione, can it count?

Coolness wise, both suck. But I guess Regigigas takes it since I love the Regi's. In competative battling, however, Shaymin is the clear victor. It's Seed Flare is just damn broken; able to beat Blissey pretty quickly.

That is if it won't get killed.
Blissey has high sp. defense, so even with seed flare, it will take a while.
Seed flare also has 85 accuracy, so add the chances of it missing.
Don't forget that switching out is also in play. A quick charizard or blaziken would take it out first turn.
agreed though, they are both terrible when considering coolness.

No, with Slow Start, it requires waiting for five turns while the opponent gets to set up enough that the high Attack won't matter. Besides, beefing up its defenses means sacrificing some of that Attack stat you're waiting for.

Mew is Uber right now and Celebi may be more useful in several situations, but that's only one superior compared to the several Legendaries superior to Regigigas.

Actually, I thought the consensus was that either Articuno or Entei were the weakest.

You have a good point, and i think entei is the weakest also.
Articuno is still pretty weak, but i think you know why its called "cheapskate".

sheer cold+mind reader+high sp. defense=cheapskate

Shaymin has a very limited movepool, where most of its moves are either grass, normal, or psychic.
I really can't guard entei here though, his stats are way unbalanced, and the only stat hat is better than shaymins is attack, which is uneeded for a fire type.

Totally disagree. They all have interesting stories and are actually significant. There may be a lot of them, but they are SOOOOOO much more interesting than the previous generations' legendaries, IMO.

Yeah, but i just don't like when there are too much legendaries.
A legendary with a back story is good and all, but its just too much for me.
sure, they have interesting storylines, but they just made it too easy now.
with all the strong legendaries running around, you can beat the E4 easy.
you can catch azelf/uxie/mesprit and dialga/palkia before the seventh badge(or was it the eigth?).

 

[YOOM-TAH]

If phione actually qualifies as a legendary.
remember that legendaries are supposed to be legends.
since its possible to get limitless phione, can it count?

That is if it won't get killed.
Blissey has high sp. defense, so even with seed flare, it will take a while.
Seed flare also has 85 accuracy, so add the chances of it missing.
Don't forget that switching out is also in play. A quick charizard or blaziken would take it out first turn.
agreed though, they are both terrible when considering coolness.


You have a good point, and i think entei is the weakest also.
Articuno is still pretty weak, but i think you know why its called "cheapskate".

sheer cold+mind reader+high sp. defense=cheapskate

Shaymin has a very limited movepool, where most of its moves are either grass, normal, or psychic.
I really can't guard entei here though, his stats are way unbalanced, and the only stat hat is better than shaymins is attack, which is uneeded for a fire type.


Yeah, but i just don't like when there are too much legendaries.
A legendary with a back story is good and all, but its just too much for me.
sure, they have interesting storylines, but they just made it too easy now.
with all the strong legendaries running around, you can beat the E4 easy.
you can catch azelf/uxie/mesprit and dialga/palkia before the seventh badge(or was it the eigth?).

You can also beat the E4 with your starter very easily. You can also beat ANYTHING in the actual game with ANYONE very easily.

 

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That is if it won't get killed.
Blissey has high sp. defense, so even with seed flare, it will take a while.
Seed flare also has 85 accuracy, so add the chances of it missing.
Don't forget that switching out is also in play. A quick charizard or blaziken would take it out first turn.
agreed though, they are both terrible when considering coolness.

Um, what? Shaymin has Natural Cure, so status doesn't bother it since it can switch in and out. Anyway, 40% to lower the foes SpD by 2 stages (basically halving it) will make it quite easy to beat the poor pink blob.

 

[Dukey]

Totally disagree. They all have interesting stories and are actually significant. There may be a lot of them, but they are SOOOOOO much more interesting than the previous generations' legendaries, IMO.

I'm gonna have to say that, I found 13 legends 2 many, but I'm not gonna say they don't have stories, oh wait except heatran, who just was randomly put into the game as a decent OU Special/Mixed Sweeper

 

[Lover's Kite]

Regigigas is great for offense. Shaymin is great for defense. Though I don't like Regigigas' "Slow Start" T~T

 

[God Splice]

I would have to choose Regigigas
I know most of the people I know hate it,
But I enjoy using it for fusions/splices

 

[Luck]

Um, what? Shaymin has Natural Cure, so status doesn't bother it since it can switch in and out. Anyway, 40% to lower the foes SpD by 2 stages (basically halving it) will make it quite easy to beat the poor pink blob.

But you still have to consider blissey having softboiled, high sp. defense, and shaymin having pretty low sp. attack.
and there is still the chance of it missing, since d/p made it really easy to miss for you(even at a high accuracy rate like 85).
Nonetheless, if you want to take down a blissey, shaymin would be a terrible pokemon to use.
I also mentioned blaziken easily killing shaymin if you switch out.
the only reason shaymin is used in battle is because of its status/restorative moves and seed flare.
Other than that, its easy prey.
and besids, its still 40%, so blissey will have time to retaliate.
seismic toss will take out shaymin fast if it can't reduce blisseys sp. defense fast enough.

 

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But you still have to consider blissey having softboiled, high sp. defense, and shaymin having pretty low sp. attack.

Um, Base 100 (328) is not low whatsoever. Mediocre is the worst you can call it. With Choice Specs, it becomes 492, and if you get a SpD boost, in a sense, Shaymin's SpA doubles.

and there is still the chance of it missing, since d/p made it really easy to miss for you(even at a high accuracy rate like 85).

Irrelevant if "d/p made it really easy to miss" That proves nothing, as 85% is a solid fact, meaning it'll hit more often than it'll miss.

Nonetheless, if you want to take down a blissey, shaymin would be a terrible pokemon to use.
I also mentioned blaziken easily killing shaymin if you switch out.

I realize that, but it can still do it. It'll be hard, but the chance of Shaymin winning is a pretty good odd. Also, Shaymin is Base 100 in speed, whereas Blaziken is Base 80. Shaymin outspeeds it.

the only reason shaymin is used in battle is because of its status/restorative moves and seed flare.
Other than that, its easy prey.

Those three things you listed are excellent tools, though bar Seed Flare, Celebi sort of outclasses it.

and besids, its still 40%, so blissey will have time to retaliate.
seismic toss will take out shaymin fast if it can't reduce blisseys sp. defense fast enough.

Rest

 

[Hiidoran]

I have to go with Shaymin simple for the cuteness factor.
I'm sorry, but how can you seriously deny that cute little flowery hedgehog? :3
(Unless we're talking about it's sky forme...)


Not to mention that Regigigas just looks really strange.
The other Regis had a sleekness to them that made their exteriors pleasing to look at. Regigigas on the other hand just is not aesthetically pleasing at all.

 

[Luck]

Um, Base 100 (328) is not low whatsoever. Mediocre is the worst you can call it. With Choice Specs, it becomes 492, and if you get a SpD boost, in a sense, Shaymin's SpA doubles.

Its mediocre then.And i meant to say low special attack for a legendary,sorry about that.
and that that would be trouble, but a charizard with quick fang could take it out fast enough.It doesn't matter how strong something is if it can't use its strength.

Irrelevant if "d/p made it really easy to miss" That proves nothing, as 85% is a solid fact, meaning it'll hit more often than it'll miss.

But it will still miss nonetheless. If you miss, blissey will use seismic toss and take off 100 more points.And there is still the 40%side effect, meaning that less than half of the time, it will lower the sp. defense.Even after that, seed flare has only 5 PP, which will make shaymin only good for restorative(as in status restoring of course) properties after that.

I realize that, but it can still do it. It'll be hard, but the chance of Shaymin winning is a pretty good odd. Also, Shaymin is Base 100 in speed, whereas Blaziken is Base 80. Shaymin outspeeds it.

but the only move strong against blaziken is psychic, and you rarely see that on a shaymin.
Other than that, its useless against it. Speed means nothing in this battle if you cannot K.O the enemy. if it cannot kill blaziken in two turns, then it will lose unless the blaziken trainer is absolutely moronic.
but even then, there is still charizard.
charizard is faster, and has no weaknesses to shaymin.
An aerial ace,flamethrower, or blast burn can take shaymin out quickly.

Those three things you listed are excellent tools, though bar Seed Flare, Celebi sort of outclasses it.

but grasswhistle has low accuracy, aromatherapy is useless because it has natural cure, if you use aromatherapy, you will just get yourself one BIG step closer to fainting.

Rest

If you use rest, that will be two turns wasted, by that time,the foe will have used two seismic tosses, and you will be almost dead.
Lets say that you are fighting a shaymin with 400 HP.
If it uses rest against a level 100, you might as well say bye bye to half of its HP. and you know you can only attack once before having to rest again.If you continue the pattern, the foe will get tired and switch out for a charizard.After that, you won't survive unless you switch out because everyone knows that charizard can take shaymin out in two turns with flamethrower.Even then, if that is unsuccessful, there is bellyzard with fire fang, wing attack, and flame blitz. any of those attacks can K.O a shaymin if used by bellyzard.

 

[Forci Stikane]

Its mediocre then.And i meant to say low special attack for a legendary,sorry about that.
and that that would be trouble, but a charizard with quick fang could take it out fast enough.It doesn't matter how strong something is if it can't use its strength.

Actually, 100 Base Sp. ATK is still average for a Legendary, especially a non-Uber one.

But it will still miss nonetheless. If you miss, blissey will use seismic toss and take off 100 more points.And there is still the 40%side effect, meaning that less than half of the time, it will lower the sp. defense.Even after that, seed flare has only 5 PP, which will make shaymin only good for restorative(as in status restoring of course) properties after that.

Saying it will miss just because it has 15% less accuracy than the ideal is honestly quite pessimistic. And Choice Specs would work for ANY Special attack it may have, including various Hidden Powers. Also, PP Max *does* exist, you know.

but the only move strong against blaziken is psychic, and you rarely see that on a shaymin.
Other than that, its useless against it. Speed means nothing in this battle if you cannot K.O the enemy. if it cannot kill blaziken in two turns, then it will lose unless the blaziken trainer is absolutely moronic.
but even then, there is still charizard.
charizard is faster, and has no weaknesses to shaymin.
An aerial ace,flamethrower, or blast burn can take shaymin out quickly.

And in that case, the trainer with Shaymin would not leave it in unless "the Shaymin trainer is absolutely moronic." This goes for both your Charizard and Blaziken point: if the opposing Pokemon is a counter to yours, you usually switch out.

And LOL Blast Burn.

but grasswhistle has low accuracy, aromatherapy is useless because it has natural cure, if you use aromatherapy, you will just get yourself one BIG step closer to fainting.

Aromatherapy works for the entire team. Hardly useless at all, and certainly not made useless just because of Natural Cure.

If you use rest, that will be two turns wasted, by that time,the foe will have used two seismic tosses, and you will be almost dead.
Lets say that you are fighting a shaymin with 400 HP.
If it uses rest against a level 100, you might as well say bye bye to half of its HP. and you know you can only attack once before having to rest again.If you continue the pattern, the foe will get tired and switch out for a charizard.After that, you won't survive unless you switch out because everyone knows that charizard can take shaymin out in two turns with flamethrower.Even then, if that is unsuccessful, there is bellyzard with fire fang, wing attack, and flame blitz. any of those attacks can K.O a shaymin if used by bellyzard.

Turn 1: Use Rest.

Turn 2: Switch out.

Ideally, you now have a fully recovered Shaymin, cured of sleep by Natural Cure. In the worst case, it took a single Seismic Toss, but you now have something else to fight back.

And, um...those attacks could probably take out any Pokemon with a weakness to them, not just Shaymin. Saying it's a fault of Shaymin's is unfair.

 

[Luck]

Turn 1: Use Rest.

Turn 2: Switch out.

Ideally, you now have a fully recovered Shaymin, cured of sleep by Natural Cure. In the worst case, it took a single Seismic Toss, but you now have something else to fight back.

And, um...those attacks could probably take out any Pokemon with a weakness to them, not just Shaymin. Saying it's a fault of Shaymin's is unfair.

thank you, a simple answer.Switch out, after that its completely random.
but you forgot what would happen to shaymin if they used bind or any other move that prevents switching out such as a ninetales with fire spin.
but you basically lost the battle if your only pokemon left is shaymin and their pokemon is blaziken/ charizard.
and yes, i'm just a pessimistic guy.
I rarely have moves that have a chance of missing.
shaymin is a good legendary pokemon, but there are much better ones out there that aren't even legendary. For example, porygon-z and alakazam.

 

[zzz.sleeping]

I prefer shaymin. Regigas's slow start is... just a little slow if you see what I mean.

 

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Its mediocre then.And i meant to say low special attack for a legendary,sorry about that.
and that that would be trouble, but a charizard with quick fang could take it out fast enough.It doesn't matter how strong something is if it can't use its strength.

Quick Fang? You mean Quick Claw? That's a banned item for competative battling. Plus, just because it's a legendary doesn't mean it has to have amazing stats. Seed Flare makes up for that.

But it will still miss nonetheless. If you miss, blissey will use seismic toss and take off 100 more points.And there is still the 40%side effect, meaning that less than half of the time, it will lower the sp. defense.Even after that, seed flare has only 5 PP, which will make shaymin only good for restorative(as in status restoring of course) properties after that.

I don't see how 85% will miss a lot of times on something with 5 PP. Besides, Seed Flare does a good chunk (I'll get the exact calcs later) to Blissey without the SpD drop, meaning that a single SpD drop makes it VERY possible to take it out with 5 uses.

but the only move strong against blaziken is psychic, and you rarely see that on a shaymin.
Other than that, its useless against it. Speed means nothing in this battle if you cannot K.O the enemy. if it cannot kill blaziken in two turns, then it will lose unless the blaziken trainer is absolutely moronic.

Psychic is actually a standard on Shaymin. I'm usually against the usage of unSTAB Psychic on things, but it's still used quite freely.

but even then, there is still charizard.
charizard is faster, and has no weaknesses to shaymin.
An aerial ace,flamethrower, or blast burn can take shaymin out quickly.

Blast...Burn? Are you serious? Aerial Ace? Why? There's Air Slash, for gods sake EVEN FLY!

but grasswhistle has low accuracy, aromatherapy is useless because it has natural cure, if you use aromatherapy, you will just get yourself one BIG step closer to fainting.

I was agreeing to Shaymin's inferiority to Celebi there, you're making an argument against me when I'm siding with you on that point.

If you use rest, that will be two turns wasted, by that time,the foe will have used two seismic tosses, and you will be almost dead.
Lets say that you are fighting a shaymin with 400 HP.
If it uses rest against a level 100, you might as well say bye bye to half of its HP. and you know you can only attack once before having to rest again.If you continue the pattern, the foe will get tired and switch out for a charizard.

Getting an attack every turn after a Rest is pretty good. The chance it'll lower SpD is still pretty good, and if it doesn't on the first turn, it could on the second, or third, or fourth, etc...

After that, you won't survive unless you switch out because everyone knows that charizard can take shaymin out in two turns with flamethrower.Even then, if that is unsuccessful, there is bellyzard with fire fang, wing attack, and flame blitz. any of those attacks can K.O a shaymin if used by bellyzard.

Wing Attack...Right...

 

[ErickaVolt]

Well Shaymin not just because of her fake evolution form but for some reason [she's easy to catch, lol]. But I like them both. ;3

 

[Forci Stikane]

thank you, a simple answer.Switch out, after that its completely random.
but you forgot what would happen to shaymin if they used bind or any other move that prevents switching out such as a ninetales with fire spin.

...You honestly think somebody who knows what they're doing will actually use those moves in a competitive battle??

Okay, this just got incredibly ridiculous.

Nobody in their right mind is going to use moves like Bind or Fire Spin and expect to win, so no, I didn't forget. Besides, if they do, they probably don't know about EV training or anything and are going to lose regardless.

 

[Pikazard]

I vote regigigas because I think he is stronger

 

[Alter Ego]

Shaymin, hands down. Regular is already fairly okay, but Sky Form is nothing short a complete beast. STAB 120-base power move with 80% chance of dropping SDef two stages? Stab Air Slash (with 60% flinch rate)? Look no further. Even regular Shaymin can pull off a decent special hammering with Seed Flare, and gets some other useful options. Not stellar; but far better than gigas.

Regigigas, on the other hand, is a big, stinking can of phail if ever there was one, simply because he has a trait even makes Truant look okay in comparison. There is simply no way you can keep that thing in for five turns against anyone competent without having it run over. It's just. Too. Slow. The only option is running some kind of lukewarm special attack set, but there are lots of other pokémon who do that far better already. D:

So yeah, unless you're in double battle and can get rid of that god-awful trait with Trouble Seed, Gastroacid, or Skill Swap then you might as well forget about Regigigas. :<

 

[Walrein]

Shaymin, as Regigigas is just another Slaking.