Shipping Debates

[Arifono]

I might as well list my favorites:

Giovanni x Delia
Jessie x James
Giovanni x Cassidy
Butch x Meowth
Conway x Dawn
Holly x Brock
May x Dawn
Giovanni x Domino
Butler x Diane
Bashou x Buson (Japanese version only)
Ash x Ritchie
Misty x Tracey
Daisy x Tracey
Kenny x Dawn
Zoey x Dawn
Harley x Drew
Misty x May

For the record, I do not like Pokeshipping, Contestshipping, Advanceshipping, or Pearlshipping.

I dislike Pokeshipping because Ash and Misty have clashing personalities. They are both short-tempered, brash, and stubborn. This is why they constantly argue. They are both hot-heads. If they were to ever become a couple, I can only imagine them having a relationship in which they would constantly be tearing at each other's throats. Without a referee like Brock to calm them down, it is bound to result in a huge train wreck.

Furthermore, I loathe how people claim it is canon. Misty's crush on Ash is canon, but Ash has not shown any interest in her over the course of the anime apart from two times in which she did not even resemble her regular self. This leads me to believe that he is not interested in her romantically.

My problem with Contestshipping is that it is a clichéd love-hate romance in which the guy mercilessly teases the girl he is a attracted to in order to conceal his feelings for her. In turn, the girl becomes upset, yet she is still attracted to the guy. I know that May and Drew eventually become friendly rivals as opposed to bitter ones, but the fact that May fell for Drew while he was nasty to her is what turns me off from the ship. If she had fallen for him after he had changed his ways, I might have been a Contestshipper. Alas, that is not what occurred in the show. Then again, May is not the sharpest tool in the shed, so it should not come as a surprise that she developed a crush on Drew while he was a jerk to her.

With Advanceshipping, I think Ash and May are too much alike to even be able to start a serious romantic relationship. They are both very oblivious and dense. As such, the likelihood of them ever getting together is incredibly low, since they are too dumb to initiate a romance with each other. I like them as friends, but as lovers? No way. Besides, can you imagine how unintelligent their kids would be? The horror XD

As for Pearlshipping, Ash and Dawn act too much like platonic siblings to ever form a romantic relationship. Dawn is also too high maintenance for Ash.

 

[Spinor]

I might as well list my favorites:

Giovanni x Delia Good
Jessie x James Ok
Giovanni x CassidyWell...
Butch x Meowth This shipping has problems
Conway x Dawn Eww...
Holly x Brock I guess
May x Dawn Please read the last 3 pages
Giovanni x Domino I really don't see that
Butler x Diane who?
Bashou x Buson (Japanese version only)
Ash x Ritchie Please no
Misty x Tracey hell yeah
Daisy x Tracey Ok
Kenny x Dawn I really don't see Dawn in this, and Kenny will cause the break up, big time
Zoey x Dawn See Above
Harley x Drew See ab... Well, actually this is the best gay shipping I could ever support
Misty x May See Above

For the record, I do not like Pokeshipping, Contestshipping, Advanceshipping, or Pearlshipping.

I dislike Pokeshipping because Ash and Misty have clashing personalities. They are both short-tempered, brash, and stubborn. This is why they constantly argue. They are both hot-heads. If they were to ever become a couple, I can only imagine them having a relationship in which they would constantly be tearing at each other's throats. Without a referee like Brock to calm them down, it is bound to result in a huge train wreck.

Furthermore, I loathe how people claim it is canon. Misty's crush on Ash is canon, but Ash has not shown any interest in her over the course of the anime apart from two times in which she did not even resemble her regular self. This leads me to believe that he is not interested in her romantically.

My problem with Contestshipping is that it is a clichéd love-hate romance in which the guy mercilessly teases the girl he is a attracted to in order to conceal his feelings for her. In turn, the girl becomes upset, yet she is still attracted to the guy. I know that May and Drew eventually become friendly rivals as opposed to bitter ones, but the fact that May fell for Drew while he was nasty to her is what turns me off from the ship. If she had fallen for him after he had changed his ways, I might have been a Contestshipper. Alas, that is not what occurred in the show. Then again, May is not the sharpest tool in the shed, so it should not come as a surprise that she developed a crush on Drew while he was a jerk to her.

With Advanceshipping, I think Ash and May are too much alike to even be able to start a serious romantic relationship. They are both very oblivious and dense. As such, the likelihood of them ever getting together is incredibly low, since they are too dumb to initiate a romance with each other. I like them as friends, but as lovers? No way. Besides, can you imagine how unintelligent their kids would be? The horror XD

As for Pearlshipping, Ash and Dawn act too much like platonic siblings to ever form a romantic relationship. Dawn is also too high maintenance for Ash.

I do not wish to add to the Pokeshipping lest I am killed by one.

Also, in Contestshipping, May doesn't have feeling for him at all. See the last 2 pages.

I disagree with you in the case of advance and pearl. Advanceshipping has the compatibility nescesary for a relationship. Also, you can't stop testosterone from replacing stupidity, it happens all the time, you lose stupidity and gain girl desires (hell yeah). Considering Ash's possible age, that could've been the case when Hoenn started, just compare any Advanced Challenge Episode with the first episode and you'll see what I mean.

And just to say that about Pearlshipping... Get Psychiatrist, or at least LOOK at the recent episodes if you have.

 

[Vernikova]

I could makd a long rant about previous posts, but I won't.

To keep it short, nothing Pokéshipping is canon. I want to see Misty's confession about liking/loving Ash.

Advancedshipping is eh, could care less. Same with Contest and Pearl.

@Arifono: You contradicted yourself saying May was oblivious. After saying she wasn't oblivious enough to actually be oblivious to Drew.

So the next shipping on the Wheel of Fortune is....

 

[Arifono]

Butler x Diane who?

They are from the film Jirachi: Wishmaker.

Also, in Contestshipping, May doesn't have feeling for him at all. See the last 2 pages.

The anime's writers made it clear that May had feelings for Drew. At the end of the Hoenn Grand Festival, she stares after him as he walks away from her on the beach in a rather romantic-esque way, wind blowing and all. She also blushed bright red while staring at him at the end of the Yuzuhira (do not know its English name. I have only seen the episode in Japanese) Pokemon contest. Overall, I would say those are solid hints.

I will agree with you that blushing when being accused of liking another person is not an indication of attraction. However, May was blushing at Drew without being embarrassed at the end of the Yuzuhira contest. She was checking him out, which was causing her to go beat red.

I disagree with you in the case of advance and pearl. Advanceshipping has the compatibility nescesary for a relationship. Also, you can't stop testosterone from replacing stupidity, it happens all the time, you lose stupidity and gain girl desires (hell yeah). Considering Ash's possible age, that could've been the case when Hoenn started, just compare any Advanced Challenge Episode with the first episode and you'll see what I mean.

Of course, compatibility is important in any romantic relationship. However, when two people are too much alike, things will quickly fall apart. People like that are better off as friends, which I feel is the case with Ash and May. In fact, that is what they are: platonic friends. Even if they were by chance attracted to each other, nothing would happen between them, since they are both dense people who would be unable to initiate anything romantically. I think they both need more mature people who would be able to guide them through romantic situations. It is clear that they are both incapable of taking a leading role in a relationship. With that in mind, how could anything possibly happen between them?

Also, it is possible to experience attraction to other people and still be clueless. Take a look at Luke fon Fabre from Tales of the Abyss. He is in love with Tear, but still needs to be hit with a clue bat in order to get it. Even if Ash was attracted to May, he would still not get that he is and would need to be hit over the head in order to grasp it.

And just to say that about Pearlshipping... Get Psychiatrist, or at least LOOK at the recent episodes if you have.

I have seen the recent episodes. Nothing romantic there.

So I need therapy because I see Pearlshipping for what it is? Whatever you say :)

It is clear that you have difficulty distinguishing platonic brother-sister relationships from romantic ones. I have no problem with you liking Pearlshipping. Everyone should be free to ship what they want. However, you are delusional to honestly believe that Pearlshipping is canon. Face the facts. Ash and Dawn's relationship is not romantic.

@Arifono: You contradicted yourself saying May was oblivious. After saying she wasn't oblivious enough to actually be oblivious to Drew.

Allow me to elaborate. I think May does have feelings for Drew, but is clueless about them. However, Drew is entirely aware of his feelings for May. That said, I think he would be the one to start a relationship between them, since May is too dumb to do so.

 

[Azumi]

Contestshipping seems a bit one-sided.It seems like Drew likes May,but she doesn't like
him back.

As for me, I'd think May likes Drew more. When Harley points out they're a couple, May is the one who gets hyped. Drew lacks reaction.

But the roses... Hmmm... Maybe Drew REALLY likes her, and he's fine with it when Harley did that "oh, you tow are a couple" thing. Just my imagination!

 

[Vernikova]

Alright, so Ash has been getting too much attention lately. But I believe that his relationships with the girls are:

Misty: Brother/Sister
May: Teacher/Student
Dawn: Close, not best, friends

But does anyone want to discuss a non-Ash ship?

 

[shedinjask]

Bashou x Buson (Japanese version only)

Hell yes. *hi-five*

Do you know any good fanfiction of the two? I've read all I can find. I also have some fanarts somewhere...

 

[ssj 14 ggt]

who does ash like?
misty
may
dawn

 

[Spinor]

First use capital letters please, it makes you look very embarrassing.

Firstly, here you actually DEBATE who Ash likes, not ask, if you do, you'll get someone beat up. You must use EVIDENCE from the show and put it in a formal manner to debate the possible relationships that may arise in the anime. The formal discussion of manga is also acceptable as long as it has canonic Japanese origin.

If you didn't get anything I said, your English teacher is a sad panda.

But in my opinion, Ash is mostly leaned to Dawn at the moment. They have the award for the most physical contact in the anime. Watch out when choosing your sides. Pokeshippers are savage creatures who eat those who flame Pokeshipping (well, so are Contest and Advance). Consider hints carefully before you decide yourself:

Who does Ash like?

 

[Minuteman III]

And Vineshipping isn't about supporting Advanceshipping; one can support Vineshipping without believing in Advanceshipping.

Same with Lagomorph and Pearl.

Spoiler:

It's not like "If nuclear missiles are launched, the everyone will die," p=>q

My belief is: Buneary liking Pikachu (Which I believe is a biconditional statement) has no relation to Dawn liking Ash.

P /=/> Q

If you understand conditional statements, you'll understand this.

 

[Vernikova]

I thought I had already explained Vineshipping. It was used in cases to support Advancedshipping by Advencedshippers. In the show, it's Oak I believe, that says that pokémon who have a strong bond or love each other, reflect their trainers feelings. Well, it was something along those lines. It doesn't need to be used, but it is, just like how Lagomorphshipping is used to support Pearlshipping. Even though in this case, it is more one-sided.

 

[Spinor]

Sorry Lugia, with Venusaur here, the Vineshipping theory has rotten. Painful, I know.

 

[Vernikova]

I don't care for Vineshipping. I just like putting other shippings down unless they're perfectly canon. I don't mess with Contestshipping a lot either, just because it's what it will play out to be.

 

[shedinjask]

Except it isn't 'rotten'. It's still perfectly viable. Who knows, Ash's Bulbasaur may decide to evolve for her. Or he could stay a Bulbasaur, there's nothing against that, why are you always so negative?

 

[Unforgettable]

There isn't much discussion going on in here ._."
So what do you think of Orangeshipping?

 

[Spinor]

Probably more likely than Pokeshipping at the moment. Tracey does help over at Oak's and the Gym, so unknown development is possible here.

 

[Vernikova]

Orangeshipping seems to be the most likely for Misty. It seems better than Pokéshipping anyway.

 

[Unforgettable]

Tracey seems to "disappear" At times and sneaks to see her all the time. And Pokeshipping IMO is just something that the 4kids made up. I can't see it ever happening. Ash is too thick :<

 

[RubyJB88]

Dawn is also too high maintenance for Ash.

What do you mean by "high maintenance"?

I think May does have feelings for Drew, but is clueless about them. However, Drew is entirely aware of his feelings for May. That said, I think he would be the one to start a relationship between them, since May is too dumb to do so.

May is not as dumb as Ash is, however.

But in my opinion, Ash is mostly leaned to Dawn at the moment. They have the award for the most physical contact in the anime. Watch out when choosing your sides. Pokeshippers are savage creatures who eat those who flame Pokeshipping (well, so are Contest and Advance).

I wonder if it's only the dubs/writer/whomever messing with us again like they did with Misty, and that there isn't really anything hidden between Ash and Dawn. I think it's just the equality they've given to the female character, which they didn't do with May. I don't flame anyone, but only with canon ships where the hints and evidence are painstakingly obvious and the individual tends to be obnoxiously delusional over it.

I just like putting other shippings down unless they're perfectly canon. I don't mess with Contestshipping a lot either, just because it's what it will play out to be.

And I don't shoot ships down, I just point out things that say otherwise about them. I do the same with Contestshipping, as I'm unsure how that will end.

Who knows, Ash's Bulbasaur may decide to evolve for her.

No, that's just stupid. I highly doubt Pokemon will evolve naturally just by falling in love with another Pokemon of an evolved form.

How is Orangeshipping more likely than Pokeshipping? Aren't the Chronicles in the same boat as what 4Kids did to us?

 

[Vernikova]

I shoule rephrase.

Tracey actually visits Misty, mainly because he has the time.

Ash will go to a region, come back home where the group, um... regroups. Then he'll leave to the next region. I don't think he'll stop traveling until he's 6-feet under.