Sick of Ash?

[Torosiken]

I think Its better if anime like manga, each generation, the main charac changed...

 

[Nyjil da Kid]

Here's my idea of how they could, but probably won't make the show more interesting.
Make TR more of a challenge; seeing TR battle over and over knowing they'll lose annoys me sometimes. If there gonna be in every episode then change it up sometimes.
I don't think Ash is the problem so much as the plots of the episodes...maybe as the show grew older it started repeating itself but didn't have those tear-jerking moments like in the first season...just my thoughts

 

[YourSaturnLullaby]

P0kemon is good but it should be about Team Galactic not Ash. The show should NOT revolve around him. They need to get a new main character.

 

[randomspot555]

P0kemon is good but it should be about Team Galactic not Ash. The show should NOT revolve around him. They need to get a new main character.

Being about the villains goes against what the entire franchise is about. There's no shortage of fiction where the villains are in charge, like the current status quo of the Marvel Universe, but that completely misses the point in Pokemon.

If the show should or shouldn't revolve around him is up to opinion. But to expect or think it plausible that it revolve around someone else isn't. It's about his journey. The show can't be, as it is now, without him. The main focus is on Ash and his Pokemon.

 

[Oblivion Reaper 2.0]

We nee A nEW ShOW oR a NeW ChrACteR...

 

[Rash]

Personally, I'm sick of Ash acting like a little kid. He was a lot more mature in the Hoenn/Battle Frontier sagas, and all of a sudden, he sounds like a little kid again. Or maybe it's just the different voice actor.

 

[EagleVision1999]

Well, let's see, the events of the episode implied that Jessie and James met when they first joined Team Rocket, despite it being implied that Jessie and James were students together(School of Hard Knocks), Legendary Bikers in the same bike gang (The Bridge Bike Gang), and a few other episodes stating that they've known each other since they were kids. It also contradicted the notion that Meowth preceeded Persian as Giovanni's "Top Cat" (It was implied in "Battle aboard the St. Anne" that Persian "replaced" Meowth as being the Top Cat because of the TRio's failures, AND the subject was brought back up (either explicitly [such as in the dub], or just subtly implied [such as the Japanese raw]) in Bye, Bye Butterfree.).

Well, it seemed like they would have met there the first time (in Training Daze) but some fans (incuding me) have the theory that after the bike gang, they fell apart (because of a fight, Jessie thinking of doing better when going on alone or something, we don't know).
And then, because they still hadn't made up, they acted distant as if they never knew each other...for the meowth-was-the-former-pet-thing...couldn't that be a lie of Meowth, because he wanted to brag?
Of course these are all theories born out of imagination.
Which leads me to another point (not to be ot):
As stated before, the show is aimed for a younger audience. Older fans might be a minority. It's basically promotion for the show. Pokemon cronicles not being successful is an example for our minority (since it was less Ash-centered and a little bit more serious).
So it can't be helped, I guess. As much as I'd like a more mature show, I don't think it would be a success.
If you don't like it, just use your imagination to fill plotholes or to find out nice aspects. Or just stick with the manga or fanfiction.

 

[Feign]

I've never minded it actually, the plot is essentially the same, but in a way it's still fun.

The only thing I'd like to see change is when Team Rocket would get the idea that they shouldn't try to steal pokemon anymore, and just move on. You'd think from blasting off so often, they'd have figured that they suck basically.

But that's one thing that I've noticed in general, is that the franchise didn't "grow up" along with its fans (ok well it did, but not to a significant extent). Notable examples of this is Harry Potter and Ben 10.

 

[Tanya1234]

Its all about Ash -and this is what pokemon all about.
And i love Ash, i hope he will never leave.
If ash bye bye - so am i.

 

[weedle_mchairybug]

Well, it seemed like they would have met there the first time (in Training Daze) but some fans (incuding me) have the theory that after the bike gang, they fell apart (because of a fight, Jessie thinking of doing better when going on alone or something, we don't know).
And then, because they still hadn't made up, they acted distant as if they never knew each other...for the meowth-was-the-former-pet-thing...couldn't that be a lie of Meowth, because he wanted to brag?
Of course these are all theories born out of imagination.

Err... yeah, I can probably buy the explaination for Jessie and James's acting distant towards each other, but I'm not sure about the Meowth explaination (I mean, if it were a lie, why would he just flat out ask Giovanni why he was replaced by Persian? He even said "I thought I was your top cat?")

Which leads me to another point (not to be ot):
As stated before, the show is aimed for a younger audience. Older fans might be a minority. It's basically promotion for the show. Pokemon cronicles not being successful is an example for our minority (since it was less Ash-centered and a little bit more serious).
So it can't be helped, I guess. As much as I'd like a more mature show, I don't think it would be a success.

You know, the funny thing is that Pokemon seems to have lower ratings than even Johto, despite the fact that it's using the basic majority (in other words, a younger audience). I mean, even IF we minority adolescents/teenagers can't get what we want, if the younger kids were truly being satisfied with the direction the show is going at, I'm pretty sure that both AG and DP's original ratings would have been the same as Johto's, if not slightly higher than Johto's ratings (instead of, you know, being 3.3%+ lower than it, which is a significant amount, regardless of what you say.).

As for Chronicles, it's wasn't a failure show, since it wasn't even a separate series to begin with (In Japan, anyways.). In fact, the only time that Chronicles actually WAS a separate series from Pokemon was the english version. The english version I'll admit tanked (though, then again, that may have been due to KidsWB not allowing the rights to that show, and thus, the only way to air it was through CN, and that was before Pokemon moved onto CN, so it wouldn't have been successful anyways.)

 

[shadowsvengance]

is ash still 10 in the cartoon?

 

[weedle_mchairybug]

is ash still 10 in the cartoon?

Seeing how both the AG and DP websites stated that Ash is the same age as May and Dawn, respectively, it's reasonable to assume that he's still 10.

 

[randomspot555]

is ash still 10 in the cartoon?

Yes. Age and exact passages of time are rarely mentioned. Fictional universes often employ a slower passing of time where characters are essentially "ageless".

 

[-Leaf]

Ash is really even 1% close to a pokemon master. we also heard enuf of pikachu..

lets get a new character.. hmmm.. meybe paul? that is an intresting guy.
or for a better choice.. meybe Jun? i would love jun to pwn ash... even that empleon suck ass.. don't really care since i don't like it (water type owned by fire type... epic failure... "Infernape used close combat! Its super effective! the foe's empleon fainted! (wish he would die)"
anyway.. Jun seems cool. funny too.

 

[dream's-epilogue]

I mentioned this in the Pikachu thread. After re-evaluating my reasons, there are two things that would make me re-appreciate the anime.

1) I recall, shortly before I stopped watching, Ash was starting to grow up. Since then, that process seems to have been reversed.
2) Uberchu is so powerful, I really don't think he's a normal Pikachu. Dedicate a movie or special to give some sort of epic explanation for his awesome power, and it might draw me back in again.

 

[randomspot555]

Ash is really even 1% close to a pokemon master. we also heard enuf of pikachu..

lets get a new character.. hmmm.. meybe paul? that is an intresting guy.
or for a better choice.. meybe Jun? i would love jun to pwn ash... even that empleon suck ass.. don't really care since i don't like it (water type owned by fire type... epic failure... "Infernape used close combat! Its super effective! the foe's empleon fainted! (wish he would die)"
anyway.. Jun seems cool. funny too.

New character=different show.

Also, the reason Paul is so interesting is because he's an excellent foil to Ash. Without Ash, Paul loses a lot of what makes his character interesting, and the same goes for Ash. That's why Paul is such a good rival, because they're actually different trainers. Rather than previous rivals who were either essentially the same as Ash (Harrison, Gary) or an almost idential clone (Richie)

Jun/Barry is very interesting. But I never count it against the characters when they use a Pokemon with a type disadvantage. It usually makes the battle more interesting.

I mentioned this in the Pikachu thread. After re-evaluating my reasons, there are two things that would make me re-appreciate the anime.

1) I recall, shortly before I stopped watching, Ash was starting to grow up. Since then, that process seems to have been reversed.
2) Uberchu is so powerful, I really don't think he's a normal Pikachu. Dedicate a movie or special to give some sort of epic explanation for his awesome power, and it might draw me back in again.

He has changed in some ways. He's more mature and realistic about his goals. It's no longer about CATCHING EVERYTHING (though he still wants to be a "Pokemon Master". whatever that is). It's to go out and bond and win with the Pokemon he has in whatever region they're promoting...er...visiting.

But he as well as the girl trainer are still avatars for viewers. They're still seen as newbies, because people really not that much older than them tend to settle down in a Poke specialty and give up the traveling trainer gig after a few years (See Paul's brother for a good example).

Ironically, many people claim that Pikachu isn't powerful enough. Largely, a Pokemon (ANY Pokemon, not just Pika) is as powerful or as weak as it needs to be for the story. It's one of those things you kind of need to have a suspension of belief for. But generally, the past few years they "reboot" Pikachu for every new region and gradually increase his power so it stays in synch with the new captures.

 

[Nitrous Oxide]

As much as I hate Ash, I hate Animes/shows that change the main character even more. It's dumb imo, the Pokemon show is Ash's story, that's it, that's all.

 

[weedle_mchairybug]

New character=different show.

Considering how they are having different series regardless of whether Ash is in the show or not, will it really matter?

He has changed in some ways. He's more mature and realistic about his goals. It's no longer about CATCHING EVERYTHING (though he still wants to be a "Pokemon Master". whatever that is). It's to go out and bond and win with the Pokemon he has in whatever region they're promoting...er...visiting.

Well, he hasn't really changed much to show actual growth. Heck, he seemed to have currently "grown down" if you get my drift. I mean, in AG episode, "Slaking Kong", he didn't seem to react towards Aipom his hat (at least, not to the extent of how he reacted to Mankey stealing his hat) aside from saying it would feel strange not having a hat. But in the episode "Setting the World on his Buneary", when Aipom stole Ash's hat the second time around, Ash reacted in a similar fashion to how he reacted when Mankey stole his hat, thus showing he actually grew more immature by the time DP started.

I'm not too certain about not "catching everything", seeing how he dumps the pokemon at Oak's Lab and barely references them at all so he can capture new pokemon.

 

[randomspot555]

Considering how they are having different series regardless of whether Ash is in the show or not, will it really matter?

That's largely nitpicking. It's still the same show with the main character, and a good chunk of the supporting cast (the folks at Pallet, Nurses/Officers, Brock, Team Rocket). While Japan classifies it as a new show with each region, it's still the same plot.

Well, he hasn't really changed much to show actual growth. Heck, he seemed to have currently "grown down" if you get my drift. I mean, in AG episode, "Slaking Kong", he didn't seem to react towards Aipom his hat (at least, not to the extent of how he reacted to Mankey stealing his hat) aside from saying it would feel strange not having a hat. But in the episode "Setting the World on his Buneary", when Aipom stole Ash's hat the second time around, Ash reacted in a similar fashion to how he reacted when Mankey stole his hat, thus showing he actually grew more immature by the time DP started.

Completely different circumstances. When Mankey and Aipom did it, that was like a plot for the entire episode. When it happened in D/P, it was a throwaway gag that lasted for 2 minutes.

I'm not too certain about not "catching everything", seeing how he dumps the pokemon at Oak's Lab and barely references them at all so he can capture new pokemon.

Just because he Oaks them doesn't mean he didn't catch them. But he's learned that becoming a good trainer isn't about catching every Pokemon you can. He now catches his main party members and trains with them, instead of catching after the main 6 and thus neglecting them to Oaks. The out of universe answer would be that the producers figured that they can't handle more than 6 at one time, and it's hard to conviently have a Poke Center near by every time they need to switch a Pokemon out.

It helps that his goal isn't to catch em all...in fact...you kind of proved my point. So thanks.

 

[Queen]

I'm sick of Ash, his so boring... yes, make a new anime series!