3rd Gen Simple Questions

[Forci Stikane]

No, you really need the Adamant female, since Machamp needs as much speed as it can get. Sweepers must be able to attack first and hit hard. You also want to max Atk and Spd on Machamp. That means you want to battle Zubat in Altering Cave (1 Spd), Diglett/Dugtrio in Diglett's Cave (1 Spd/2 Spd), and Paras in Mt. Moon B1 (1 Atk). All of these Pokes show up 100% of the time, so if you have your Adamant Machop hold the Macho Brace, it will earn 2 EV points per battle (or 4 EV points when battling Dugtrio. That is 126 battles for 252 EV points in Atk and 126 battles for 252 EV points in Spd. If your Machop is too weak to battle Grass/Ground/Flying Pokes, you can give it the Exp Share and battle using a more powerful Poke. You will only get the regular 1 EV point (2 EV points when battling Dugtrio), but you won't have to risk your Machop in battle. After the Atk/Spd training is done, you can put the remaining 6 EV points into HP.

Alright, I've been wanting to know this for a long time:

How do you know what EVs each Pokemon gives? Is there a specific website with all of them listed?

 

[shanecdavis]

I am sure there is somewhere. I got mine from metalkid (metalkid.org). For your viewing pleasure, here is the list of all the EV stats, the Pokes associated with it, and their values:

HP
Azumarill - 3
Azurill - 1
Barboach - 1
Blissey - 2
Castform - 1
Caterpie - 1
Celebi - 3
Chansey - 2
Chinchou - 1
Clefable - 3
Clefairy - 2
Delcatty - 1
Ditto - 1
Dunsparce - 1
Entei - 1
Exploud - 3
Glalie - 2
Grimer - 1
Groudon - 3
Gulpin - 1
Hariyama - 2
Hoothoot - 1
Igglybuff - 1
Jigglypuff - 2
Jirachi - 3
Kangaskhan - 2
Lanturn - 2
Lapras - 2
Lickitung - 2
Loudred - 2
Makuhita - 1
Marill - 2
Mew - 3
Muk - 1
Nidoqueen - 3
NidoranF - 1
Nidorina - 2
Noctowl - 2
Phanpy - 1
Piloswine - 1
Quagsire - 2
Relicanth - 1
Sealeo - 2
Shedinja - 2
Shroomish - 1
Slaking - 3
Slakoth - 1
Slowpoke - 1
Snorlax - 2
Snorunt - 1
Spheal - 1
Swalot - 2
Tropius - 2
Vaporeon - 2
Wailmer - 1
Wailord - 2
Walrein - 3
Weedle - 1
Whiscash - 2
Whismur - 1
Wigglytuff - 3
Wobbuffet - 2
Wooper - 1
Wurmple - 1
Wynaut - 1

ATTACK
Absol - 2
Anorith - 1
Arcanine - 2
Ariados - 2
Armaldo - 2
Bagon - 1
Banette - 2
Beedrill - 2
Bellsprout - 1
Blaziken - 3
Breloom - 2
Cacturne - 1
Camerupt - 1
Carvanha - 1
Combusken - 1
Corphish - 1
Crawdaunt - 2
Croconaw - 1
Deoxys - 1
Dodrio - 2
Doduo - 1
Donphan - 1
Dragonair - 2
Dragonite - 3
Dratini - 1
Entei - 2
Farfetch'd - 1
Feraligatr - 2
Flareon - 2
Flygon - 1
Goldeen - 1
Granbull - 2
Growlithe - 1
Gyarados - 2
Heracross - 2
Hitmonlee - 2
Huntail - 1
Kabutops - 2
Kingdra - 1
Kingler - 2
Krabby - 1
Larvitar - 1
Machamp - 3
Machoke - 2
Machop - 1
Mankey - 1
Marshtomp - 2
Mawile - 1
Mightyena - 2
Mudkip - 1
Muk - 1
Nidoking - 3
NidoranM - 1
Nidorino - 2
Nincada - 1
Octillery - 1
Onix - 1
Paras - 1
Parasect - 2
Piloswine - 1
Pinsir - 2
Poochyena - 1
Primeape - 2
Pupitar - 2
Qwilfish - 1
Rayquaza - 2
Rhydon - 2
Sableye - 1
Salamence - 3
Scizor - 2
Scyther - 1
Seaking - 2
Sentret - 1
Seviper - 1
Sharpedo - 2
Shuppet - 1
Snubbull - 1
Solrock - 2
Spinarak - 1
Stantler - 1
Swampert - 3
Swinub - 1
Tauros - 1
Teddiursa - 1
Totodile - 1
Trapinch - 1
Tyranitar - 3
Tyrogue - 1
Unown - 1
Ursaring - 2
Vibrava - 1
Victreebell - 3
Weepinbell - 2
Zangoose - 1

DEFENSE
Aggron - 3
Arbok - 2
Aron - 1
Bayleef - 1
Beldum - 1
Cascoon - 2
Clamperl - 1
Cloyster - 2
Corsola - 1
Croconaw - 1
Cubone - 1
Donphan - 1
Dusclops - 1
Duskull - 1
Ekans - 1
Exeggcute - 1
Feraligatr - 1
Forretress - 2
Geodude - 1
Gligar - 1
Golem - 3
Graveler - 2
Huntail - 1
Kabuto - 1
Kakuna - 2
Koffing - 1
Lairon - 2
Magcargo - 2
Marowak - 2
Mawile - 1
Meganium - 1
Metagross - 3
Metang - 2
Metapod - 2
Miltank - 2
Nosepass - 1
Nuzleaf - 2
Omanyte - 1
Omastar - 2
Parasect - 1
Pelipper - 2
Pineco - 1
Poliwrath - 3
Regirock - 3
Registeel - 2
Relicanth - 1
Rhyhorn - 1
Sableye - 1
Sandshrew - 1
Sandslash - 2
Seadra - 1
Seedot - 1
Shelgon - 2
Shellder - 1
Shiftry - 3
Shuckle - 1
Silcoon - 2
Skarmory - 2
Slowbro - 2
Squirtle - 1
Steelix - 2
Sudowoodo - 2
Suicune - 1
Tangela - 1
Torkoal - 2
Wartortle - 1
Weezing - 2

SPEC ATTACK
Abra - 1
Alakazam - 3
Ampharos - 3
Beautifly - 3
Bulbasaur - 1
Butterfree - 2
Cacnea - 1
Cacturne - 1
Camerupt - 1
Charizard - 3
Charmeleon - 1
Chimecho - 1
Combusken - 1
Deoxys - 1
Espeon - 2
Exeggutor - 2
Flaafy - 2
Gardevoir - 3
Gastly - 1
Gengar - 3
Girafarig - 2
Gloom - 2
Golduck - 2
Gorebyss - 2
Haunter - 2
Horsea - 1
Houndoom - 2
Houndour - 1
Ivysaur - 1
Jynx - 2
Kadabra - 2
Kingdra - 1
Kirlia - 2
Kyogre - 3
Latios - 3
Lunatone - 1
Magmar - 2
Magnemite - 1
Magneton - 2
Mareep - 1
Masquerain - 1
Mewtwo - 3
Misdreavus - 1
Moltres - 3
Natu - 1
Numel - 1
Octillery - 1
Oddish - 1
Porygon - 1
Porygon2 - 2
Psyduck - 1
Quilava - 1
Raikou - 1
Ralts - 1
Rayquaza - 1
Remoraid - 1
Roselia - 1
Seadra - 1
Seviper - 1
Slugma - 1
Smoochum - 1
Spinda - 1
Sunflora - 2
Sunkern - 1
Torchic - 1
Typhlosion - 3
Unown - 1
Venomoth - 1
Venusaur - 2
Vileplume - 3
Xatu - 1
Zapdos - 3

SPEC DEFENSE
Altaria - 2
Articuno - 3
Baltoy - 1
Bayleef - 1
Beedrill - 1
Bellossom - 3
Blastoise - 3
Butterfree - 1
Chikorita - 1
Chimecho - 1
Claydol - 2
Cleffa - 1
Cradilly - 2
Dewgong - 2
Drowzee - 1
Dusclops - 2
Duskull - 1
Dustox - 3
Eevee - 1
Grumpig - 2
Hitmonchan - 2
Hitmontop - 2
Ho-oh - 3
Hoppip - 1
Hypno - 1
Ivysaur - 1
Kecleon - 1
Kingdra - 1
Latias - 3
Ledian - 2
Ledyba - 1
Lileep - 1
Lombre - 2
Lotad - 1
Ludicolo - 3
Lugia - 3
Mantine - 2
Masquerain - 1
Meganium - 2
Milotic - 2
Misdreavus - 1
Mr. Mime - 2
Ninetales - 1
Politoed - 3
Regice - 3
Registeel - 1
Seel - 1
Shuckle - 1
Slowking - 3
Spoink - 1
Suicune - 2
Swablu - 1
Tentacool - 1
Tentacruel - 2
Togepi - 1
Togetic - 2
Umbreon - 2
Venonat - 1
Venusaur - 1
Wartortle - 1

SPEED
Aerodactyl - 2
Aipom - 1
Charmander - 1
Charmeleon - 1
Crobat - 3
Cyndaquil - 1
Delcatty - 1
Delibird - 1
Deoxys - 1
Diglett - 1
Dugtrio - 2
Electabuzz - 2
Electrike - 1
Electrode - 2
Elekid - 1
Fearow - 2
Feebas - 1
Flygon - 2
Furret - 2
Golbat - 2
Grovyle - 2
Illumise - 1
Jolteon - 2
Jumpluff - 3
Linoone - 2
Luvdisc - 1
Magby - 1
Magikarp - 1
Manectric - 2
Medicham - 2
Meditite - 1
Meowth - 1
Minun - 1
Murkrow - 1
Ninetales - 1
Ninjask - 2
Persian - 2
Pichu - 1
Pidgeot - 3
Pidgeotto - 2
Pidgey - 1
Pikachu - 2
Plusle - 1
Poliwag - 1
Poliwhirl - 2
Ponyta - 1
Quilava - 1
Raichu - 3
Raikou - 2
Rapidash - 2
Raticate - 2
Rattata - 1
Sceptile - 3
Skiploom - 2
Skitty - 1
Smeargle - 1
Sneasel - 1
Spearow - 1
Starmie - 2
Staryu - 1
Surskit - 1
Swellow - 2
Taillow - 1
Tauros - 1
Treecko - 1
Venomoth - 1
Vibrava - 1
Vigoroth - 2
Voltbeat - 1
Voltorb - 1
Vulpix - 1
Wingull - 1
Xatu - 1
Yanma - 2
Zigzagoon - 1
Zubat - 1

Keep in mind that some Pokes are listed in more than one column. My document didn't format worth a crap here, so if I have more time later I will italicize those Pokes later. Enjoy.

BTW - Italics added. Perhaps I need to have this made as a sticky.

 

[Richard Lynch]

EV training is much easier on E/R/S... except Special Defence. In Emerald, the water is filled with Tentacools (+1 to Sp. Def.), but also is packed with Wingulls (+1 to ?), but it's not to Special Defence. So I trade my Pokes to LeafGreen to EV train their Sp. Def., since when surfing in certain places you will only ever find Tentacools.

If you have R/S/E you can trade your LG/FR Pokes to, here are good places to train, since only these Pokes show up:

HP: Whismurs in the cave next to Verdanturf
Attack: Carvanhas, Rout 119 (Super Rod)
Defence: If Ruby/Sapphire: not too easy. It says Skarmory/Sandshrew on Rt. 113, but I disagree. If in Emerald, much easier: just train in Magma Hideout (Torkoal, Geodude, Graveler)
Special Attack: Spindas, Rt 113
Special Defence: Tentacools, but I suggest trade to LG/FR to do this
Speed: Zubat, Altering Cave

In FR/LG, here are my picks for EV training:

HP: Weedle and Caterpie, Viridian Forest
Attack: Bellsprouts, in the patches above Cerulean (if LeafGreen). If FireRed... I'm not too sure.
Defence: Tangela, in the tiny Patch right below Pallet Town
Special Attack: Ghastly, in Pokemon Tower
Special Defence: Tantacools, anywhere you can surf
Speed: Diglett, Diglett's Cave

Anyone feel free to correct me... I did this on a whim.

 

[shanecdavis]

EV training is much easier on E/R/S... except Special Defence. In Emerald, the water is filled with Tentacools (+1 to Sp. Def.), but also is packed with Wingulls (+1 to ?), but it's not to Special Defence. So I trade my Pokes to LeafGreen to EV train their Sp. Def., since when surfing in certain places you will only ever find Tentacools.

If you have R/S/E you can trade your LG/FR Pokes to, here are good places to train, since only these Pokes show up:

HP: Marill, Petalburg City (Surf)
Attack: Carvanha/Sharpedo, Route 118 (Super Rod)
Defense (Emerald): Torkoal/Geodude/Graveler, Magma Hideout
Defense (Ruby/Sapphire): Geodude/Graveler, Victory Road B1 (Rock Smash)
Special Attack (Emerald): Spinda/Slugma, Route 113
Special Attack (Ruby/Sapphire): Numel, Route 112
Special Defense (Emerald): Swablu/Lotad/Lombre, Route 114
Special Defense (Ruby/Sapphire): Tentacool/Tentacruel, Abandoned Ship (Surf)
Speed: Golbat, Surf at Meteor Falls

In FR/LG, here are my picks for EV training:

HP (FireRed): Wooper, Ruin Valley (Surf)
HP (LeafGreen): Marill, Ruin Valley (Surf)
Attack (FireRed): Goldeen/Seaking/Gyarados, Berry Forest (Super Rod)
Attack (LeafGreen): Krabby/Kingler/Gyarados, Bond Bridge (Super Rod)
Defense: Tangela, Route 21
Special Attack (FireRed): Psyduck/Golduck, Cerulean Cave B1 (Surf)
Special Attack (LeafGreen): Gastly/Haunter, Pokemon Tower 7F
Special Defense: Hoppip/Tentacool/Tentacruel, Memorial Pillar (Surf)
Speed: Diglett/Dugtrio, Diglett's Cave

Anyone feel free to correct me... I did this on a whim.

Fixed your routes. Def is the hardest to naturally train for, in RS. I found that using Rock Smash at Victory Road B1 works best. While you don't get a Poke every time you Rock Smash, when you factor in having to run away from non Def EV Pokes on other routes, it ends up being faster. Also, Route 114 is a great place to SDef EV train since Swablu/Lotad show up 70% of the time, and Lotad shows up 20% of the time in Emerald and 10% in Sapphire. That ends up being faster than manipulating the fishing rod to catch Tentacool.

 

[Richard Lynch]

Just to clear up some things...

For Carvanhas, I did mean 119. Using the Super Rod, they show up 100% of the time. AND it's where Feebas shows up... so you have a chance to kill two birds with one stone. Just switch a tile every 5 times you reel something in.

And for Tentacools, all you have to do is Surf wherever there's water. There's no manipulation of the rods at all. But I do like your choice for Sp. Def. training! Much better than Tentacools. I always hated the slimy buggers anyway.

And for my picks on FR/LG, I did it a bit more pragmatically, for someone who hasn't made it that far in the game yet, or who wants to EV train early on.

Also, for Defense on R/S, don't Lunatones give out Defense EVs? I know Solrocks do (2, if I'm correct)... in Meteor Falls, that is. They seem to be pretty commom. Until I tried to Ev train there, then they didn't show up at all. Figures.

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Either way, the best way to EV train is to do the math in advance... here's the steps
(I also spent a college semester as a Physics major, so forgive me for my over-use of math terms):

1.) Find out which EVs you want to put in different Stats, making sure each is divisible by 4

2.) Take that number, and subtract from it the highest amount of Vitamins (Carbos, HP UP, Zinc, etc) you can put into the Stat, without going over the number from Step 1, multiplied by 10. (ie, if you want to put in 252 EVs into HP, just give it 10 HP UPs, and subtract 100 from 252... everyone get 152?? Not bad for the first class...). Each Vitamin increases it's designated stat by 10 EVs. Use that fact to your advantage!

3.) Next, find out where you want to EV train. I suggest you do it in a place where the Pokes defeated give the same number of EVs (ie, don't train in a spot where one Poke gives +1 to HP, and another in the same training area gives +2 to HP... it may EV train faster, but it screws up the pre-planned math of the matter).
For a list of which Pokes give which EVs, use this guide...I do:

https://www.serebii.net/pokedex-rs/ev.shtml

4.) WARNING: MATH INVOLVED... Take the number from Step 2, and divide it by, let's say, number x, for all you Algebra fans out there. x represents the number of EVs you plan to obtain from every Poke defeated, times the Macho Brace/Pokerus variable (I could call that Theta, but I won't haha). So let's say you plan to train in an area where each Poke gives +1 to HP, so the +1 = x. And also let's say you have the Macho Brace on your Poke. MB doubles the EVs obtained, so then your final equation is x multiplied by 2, or 2x. So for that area and that poke, for that stat... each pokemon defeated will give you +2 EVs to HP, or whatever stat you're training for. Or, if you are lucky enough to have Pokerus (and you hold MB), then you simple multiply 2x by 2. Anyone know what we get??... now let's not always see the same hands raised. Yep, it's 4x!

5.) Divide the number from Step 2 by the Number from Step 4. And this will give you the number of Pokemon you must defeat to successfully train your Pokemon to the desired EV level.

Let's take a simple example...
1- I want to train my Mawile to have 252 EVs in HP.
2- I give it 10 HP UPs, reducing the number of EVs to 152.
3- I plan to train in Whismur Cave, right next to Verdanturf. Each Whismurs gives out +1 to HP. (1 = x)
4- My Mawile is holding the Macho Brace. But does not have Pokerus. So each Whismur my - Mawile defeats will give it +2 EVs to HP. (2x, 2 *1 = 2)
5- I divide 152 by 2, and that gives me (hooray for New Math!) a total 76.
So to fully train my Mawile for 152 HP EVs, she will have to massacre 76 Whismurs.

Without giving my Mawile 10 HP UPs, it will require a total of 126 Whismurs to be dominated. So for the sake of time and sanity, if you can do this simple 5-Step plan for each EV'd Stat, and give it a certain number of Vitamins, it will make your life a helluvalot simpler.

Sorry for the long post, but I do hope it helps a few people out!

If anyone has any question regarding my 5-Step plan, feel free to PM me, and all that jazz.

EDIT: Also, if you have a Stat you want to EV train for that's a bit iffy, like with Defense, where the amounts of EVs won't be exact and plannable (it could be done, but it'sa pain in the rear), simply do the math for the other non-iffy Stats, kill the amount of Pokes required, and then just go ape**** with Pokes that add any number EV to the iffy Stat. That way, you won't risk going over your desired number and taking away from another.

EDIT 2: The best way to keep track of the numbers defeated, if you don't want to keep a tally sheet and mark off each Whismur you defeat), it's easy: just make sure your Poke can take out the enemy in one hit. Use that same move until there's no more PP. If you use Strength, that's 15 PPs. Once there's 0 PP left, mark down 15. Have a tally for each 15 you kill, or for each time your PP runs to 0. For, say, 76 Pokes, use: 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 1. The last few that stick out will have to be winged, but you can do it. ;-)

Okay, now I'm done!

 

[Weobley]

In both games you find prof oak's helpers they give you items for the amount of pokemon you have if anybody has a complete list could I please have it:D

 

[shanecdavis]

Just to clear up some things...

For Carvanhas, I did mean 119. Using the Super Rod, they show up 100% of the time. AND it's where Feebas shows up... so you have a chance to kill two birds with one stone. Just switch a tile every 5 times you reel something in.

My route choices are made to maximize the EV training. While Route 119 is nice because that is where Feebas is, Route 118 is where Sharpedo is. Sharpedo shows up 40% of the time on that route, giving you 2 Atk EVs. To me that is more important than sticking to a route where Feebas is, especially after I already have one.

And for Tentacools, all you have to do is Surf wherever there's water. There's no manipulation of the rods at all. But I do like your choice for Sp. Def. training! Much better than Tentacools. I always hated the slimy buggers anyway.

Using the Super Rod at the Abandoned Ship gives you Tentacruel 20% of the time, which makes it the best place. Even if you Surf, you still have 1% chance of coming across Tentacruel, which is the only place you can Surf and find it in RSE. It depends on whether you want to fish or Surf. In FRLG, I prefer the Memorial Pillar because in the grass you will only find Hoppip, and if you Surf you have Hoppip/Tentacool/Tentacruel. You maximize the SDef EVs in that location. It also gives you two different Pokes with different weaknesses that your Pokes in training can exploit.

And for my picks on FR/LG, I did it a bit more pragmatically, for someone who hasn't made it that far in the game yet, or who wants to EV train early on.

That is fine and all, but most of us do our EV training later in the game, especially when you can trade your Pokes to Emerald and use the Happiness berries to remove the unwanted EVs a Poke gets. To each their own. I much prefer locations where I can maximize the amount of EVs I can get.

Also, for Defense on R/S, don't Lunatones give out Defense EVs? I know Solrocks do (2, if I'm correct)... in Meteor Falls, that is. They seem to be pretty commom. Until I tried to Ev train there, then they didn't show up at all. Figures.

If you take a peek at my list I took some time to put together on the previous page, you will see that Lunatone give 2 SAtk EVs, and Solrock give 2 Atk EVs. Neither give Def EVs. You either have to Rock Smash (Victory Road is the best since Graveler shows up 35% of the time) or to Route 113 and filter through the danged Spinda, praying for a Skarmory.

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3.) Next, find out where you want to EV train. I suggest you do it in a place where the Pokes defeated give the same number of EVs (ie, don't train in a spot where one Poke gives +1 to HP, and another in the same training area gives +2 to HP... it may EV train faster, but it screws up the pre-planned math of the matter).
For a list of which Pokes give which EVs, use this guide...I do:

Meh. If someone cannot account for +2 instead of +1, they probably shouldn't be EV training in the first place. Battling a +2 Poke (like Sharpedo) is nothing more than battling two +1 Pokes (like Carvanha) at once. If you come across a +2 and you only need a +1, you run away.

Also, for a list of which Pokes give which EVs, look at the previous page. LOL

In both games you find prof oak's helpers they give you items for the amount of pokemon you have if anybody has a complete list could I please have it

Pewter City (0 Pokes) - Running Shoes
House south of Diglett Cave (10 Pokes) - HM05 Flash
House on Route 11 (30 Pokes) - Itemfinder
House on Route 16 (40 Pokes) - Amulet Coin
House on Route 15 (50 Pokes) - Exp Share
Prof. Oak Lab (60 Pokes) - National Pokedex

 

[Weobley]

Has anybody got a good idea for the last pokemon in my team these are the ones in it at the moment.
Raqauzalv96~times2
mew2lv80
Articunolv73
Blastoiselv74

 

[Richard Lynch]

Meh. If someone cannot account for +2 instead of +1, they probably shouldn't be EV training in the first place. Battling a +2 Poke (like Sharpedo) is nothing more than battling two +1 Pokes (like Carvanha) at once. If you come across a +2 and you only need a +1, you run away.

Also, for a list of which Pokes give which EVs, look at the previous page. LOL

It all comes down to personal preference. I find my method a lot more methodical then yours, and it helps me keep track of how many Pokes I gotta destroy just a little bit better. Unless you feel like keeping a tally of ALL the Pokes you defeat. That step for the same EVs in one area was meant as a prerequisite to my EDIT 2, about using a Pokemon's PP to keep track; it's slower, but makes things easier to plan out. And I prefer better planning than accidently adding a few EVs to a Stat that I don't want there. I like you, shane, but you have a tendency to be very snide sometimes.

And yes, of course yours are listed on the previous page. It's a huge post... hard to miss. But I like the link I posted. Organised well, and it isn't alphabetical; it goes by Pokedex number, which makes it a bit easier to sort out which appear in which game.

Has anybody got a good idea for the last pokemon in my team these are the ones in it at the moment.
Raqauzalv96~times2
mew2lv80
Articunolv73
Blastoiselv74

You seem like you're going for a Legendary team... you've got a lot to pick from. Have you caught Lati@s in the game you got Rayquaza from? I just caught my Latios last night while I was going after the Regis. If you want to stick to FR/LG, I'd suggest Zapdos. Moltres is there too... but I dislike Fire Pokemon. ;-) LOL, they put a hurt on my Steel pokemon, so I hold a grudge against 'em.

Either way, I think there's a thread for team suggestions. Might want to take it up there.

 

[shanecdavis]

Has anybody got a good idea for the last pokemon in my team these are the ones in it at the moment.
Raqauzalv96~times2
mew2lv80
Articunolv73
Blastoiselv74

Having three Pokes weak to the same type (Articuno is 4x weak to Rock) is a horrible idea. You are just asking for Groudon to come in and rip your team apart. If this is strictly in-game then you can throw in Luvdisc as the last Poke since you will never use it anyway. Two Rayquazas are lol since one Lv96 Rayquaza takes care of anything you will ever find in-game. I would take out the cheap uber Pokes and put together a more balanced team.

It all comes down to personal preference. I find my method a lot more methodical then yours, and it helps me keep track of how many Pokes I gotta destroy just a little bit better. Unless you feel like keeping a tally of ALL the Pokes you defeat. That step for the same EVs in one area was meant as a prerequisite to my EDIT 2, about using a Pokemon's PP to keep track; it's slower, but makes things easier to plan out. And I prefer better planning than accidently adding a few EVs to a Stat that I don't want there. I like you, shane, but you have a tendency to be very snide sometimes.

And yes, of course yours are listed on the previous page. It's a huge post... hard to miss. But I like the link I posted. Organised well, and it isn't alphabetical; it goes by Pokedex number, which makes it a bit easier to sort out which appear in which game.

Hmmm, methinks you assumed my first statement was directed towards you. My apologies. Your well-written post was directed towards others, as was my comment. I understand what you are saying about being more methodical, but my point is when you come across a +2 Poke, you count that as two. For example, if you need to battle Carvahna 14 more times to achieve your EV goal, and you come across a Sharpedo, you now only have 12 more times instead of 13. Whatever works for you though. I just wanted to present an alternative.

I can be snide though. Most of the time it is unintended, as in this instance, but sometimes people need good constructive criticism to wake them up, as it were.

 

[Richard Lynch]

Hey, no worries. I didn't mean to bark atcha, so my apologies for that one. I tend to take things overly personal, and can become very defensive, even though I often don't mean to. And when it comes to my EV method, I'm a bit too much of a mathematician than I would like to be. So perhaps someone who enjoys making trivial formulas would get a kick at my way of doing things; I'm still trying to figure out a way to make some kind of formula for the game mechanics involving integrals! LOL

So no hard feelings?

 

[shanecdavis]

No, it's cool. No worries.

 

[Weobley]

I like the idea of a legendary team but the Latios and Latias I have both got the name Cutey NO I did not name them This girl I traded them with named them and I cant get my own one because I have a DS.

Another question does anybody have a good set of moves and an item for a lv 100 Umbreon it would be a great help.:D

 

[shanecdavis]

I like the idea of a legendary team but the Latios and Latias I have both got the name Cutey NO I did not name them This girl I traded them with named them and I cant get my own one because I have a DS.

Another question does anybody have a good set of moves and an item for a lv 100 Umbreon it would be a great help.:D

Ummm, the DS has no link feature with the advanced games. You couldn't have traded with that girl. Also, having a DS doesn't mean you cannot get Lati@s.

As for Umby:

Umbreon @ Leftovers
Trait: Synchronize
EVs: 252 HP / 94 Def / 158 Spd (iirc)
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Baton Pass
- Mean Look
- Taunt/Toxic
- Wish/Moonlight

 

[Weobley]

I traded with the girl when I stil had an SP bt now I have links to an gba/sp so I cant get a litias or Latios .:tired:

 

[Hadim Sinan Pasha]

in leaf green there is a place near cerulean city. it is a cave and you need to do something to enter it as there is a man in front who says only good train ers can pass. you must do something wonderful and great to be able to access it.

what do i need to do and what is inside of the cave?

ps: i have defeated the pokemon league(elite four).

 

[The Fallen]

The cave you are referring to is known as the Unknown Dungeon. It contains Mewtwo. To get into the cave you need to beat the Elite Four and obtained both plates for Ruby and Sapphire. Here is a map of how to get to him so you don't get caught up in the cave. Click Here.

 

[Hadim Sinan Pasha]

what are the two plates and how can i get/obtain them? i really want a mewtwo.

 

[shanecdavis]

The "plates" are actually the ruby and emerald gems. They are part of a quest of the Sevii Islands where you need to retrieve both gems for Celio to be able to get his Network Machine online.

 

[Danno]

Two things:

One- Can I evolve Eevee into Espeon and Umbreon? And if so, how?

Two- After I get Mewtwo, what else is ther to do besides completing the POKéDEX?