So let's say

[Supreme Edgeboy Max]

Meh, I don't remember, but he was an admin I think.

 

[Zaikiro]

He was orignally a Praetor. That was his poistion.

 

[Dark Quill]

Praetor? 0_0.
Whoa, that's big. Hmm, so many conflicting thoughts, so few descisions...

 

[Supreme Edgeboy Max]

That's kinda right...

HEY! I never made accusations over all the staff! I just said..

Stuff should get a little less strict, or else soon PC will become like SPPf..
Moderators shouldn't get annoyed with members so easy, just some time back someone said that they get annoyed by reports.. =P

Well, even Dakota said getting thousands of reports was annoying, so why not ya'll find a way to stop them from getting into your PM boxes and STAYING in that forum? We don't come crying to you because we can't take care of situations on our own. We get annoyed with things in the forums, that's when we report stuff to you. Its your job as soon as being appointed as a mod to head down there and stop anything that goes on weirdly. If ya'll won't like getting reports to deal with, why not just shut it up, and lets see how many spammers get around getting no warnings and all from moderators.

^ Just a thought...

And about another thing, Dakota WAS right when he said the staff snap back at every small little detail said about them.
Look, we're debating here, but there's a 99% chance that one of ya'll will come lock this, ending things without a PROPER conclusion and see how we're going? Ya'll keep telling the same thing over and over basically, and we don't get nothing.
We're not accusing y'know. WE'RE TELLING THINGS AS WE SEE THEM, or at least I am. Moderators' jobs are also to provide well being of the members of a forum y'know.
You're snapping back at these things even in a debate-like situation. Stop and think about it..

Oh, and if ya'll say something about me being the only one who see's these, that's 'cause most of the people here don't have the guts to talk back to ya'll..

^ More thoughts.

Lets see how ya'll angrily reply to these.

 

[John Denver]

Actually, the staff are out to stop the people who've been tarnishing our reputations just because they were demoted, a.k.a. Dakota.

Dakota, you're leaving flamebait from your comment on Kylie.

Max, stop making overall accusations of the staff in general.

Yeah I kinda was leaving flamebait. I suppose I was just mad at her...

And I know it seems like this is all because of me being demoted, but it only half is. If I was still a praetor, I'd still be fighting for a new PC like I was (you didn't know about it, but me, jorge, erica, and andy were plotting some things after steve did you-know-what) It never actually pulled through, but I still fought. Being demodded was just the ignition I need to make me realize how you guys think, and how I used to think.

And I'm not rebelling Edgeboy...I want to work with the staff and tell them what no one's told em before. My case has seriously never come up on PC I think.

Yeah I used to be a praetor. I was the longest running staff member to I think, 3 yearsish?. So I'm one of the few people here who actually have the right to critique them. So many n00bs complain, even when they're clueless...

Lets see how ya'll angrily reply to these.

Quit badgering...

 

[Kurosaki]

That's kinda right...

HEY! I never made accusations over all the staff! I just said..


Well, even Dakota said getting thousands of reports was annoying, so why not ya'll find a way to stop them from getting into your PM boxes and STAYING in that forum? We don't come crying to you because we can't take care of situations on our own. We get annoyed with things in the forums, that's when we report stuff to you. Its your job as soon as being appointed as a mod to head down there and stop anything that goes on weirdly. If ya'll won't like getting reports to deal with, why not just shut it up, and lets see how many spammers get around getting no warnings and all from moderators.

^ Just a thought...

And about another thing, Dakota WAS right when he said the staff snap back at every small little detail said about them.
Look, we're debating here, but there's a 99% chance that one of ya'll will come lock this, ending things without a PROPER conclusion and see how we're going? Ya'll keep telling the same thing over and over basically, and we don't get nothing.
We're not accusing y'know. WE'RE TELLING THINGS AS WE SEE THEM, or at least I am. Moderators' jobs are also to provide well being of the members of a forum y'know.
You're snapping back at these things even in a debate-like situation. Stop and think about it..

Oh, and if ya'll say something about me being the only one who see's these, that's 'cause most of the people here don't have the guts to talk back to ya'll..

^ More thoughts.

Lets see how ya'll angrily reply to these.

Oh for crying out loud. D you know why you cant change anything, or get the staff to listen? It's because of posts like that where you're bias to one side, and one side alone. Until you're staff, you shouldn't be making assumptions of how we work. The only one in that thread who really has that right is D, and he's not even pushing the fight as much as you are.

Now can we all work TOGETHER, instead of FLAMING and BASHING each other? That applies for both sides.

 

[Dark Quill]

Maybe if you made it sound a little nicer, people wouldn't think your snapping back at them?
I've been told off many times (for some strange reason, it always seems to be by Kylie) for going off-topic, but its these small reminders that always sound hurtful, and these warnings do not teach members HOW they should post.
Like myself, many people are used to writing on sites that are a little more leniant, and even ones that do not have an edit button.
If you wanted to stop people posting off-topic things and such, perhaps you should open a posting-tutor kind of thread?
THIS is community feedback.

 

[Supreme Edgeboy Max]

Well said Quilly.

See? That IS one of the things I'm trying to prove. And well, we're not rebelling either, just pointing out the little its and bits of wrong things in the ways of the moderators.

We're TRYING TO WORK WITH ya'll, but see? You come up saying we make assumptions of how you work and we have no right to talk back to you about it. And you don't listen, and wait for Dakota to come and say something to you. You don't even show any CURIOUSITY for what some of the members think about you. What do you want, us to become moderators, then get de-modded, and THEN get the right to say something? We can't do that, and well, if ya'll say giving feedback is okay, let us give it, in whatever way we can think it up to.

 

[Kurosaki]

Unless you can't see it, the final portion of my post was directed to the staff as well. All you've been doing is trying to make the staff mad, and at least D is making an effort to be nice about what he's saying.

Just because I don't post "I'm curious" doesn't mean I'm not, either. Oo

And I probably worded that D comment wrong, again. I meant he's the only one who's seen what we do in HQ and the lounge, so hes the only one who can talk based on that.

 

[Dark Quill]

Hey, I did just state that if the mods weren't so snappy with their answers, they'd probably be taken a little more seriously, instead of being seen as a flame-response.
I'm not trying to make the staff mad, I'm just trying to have a little more hands-on-controll the situation here.

 

[Supreme Edgeboy Max]

Meh... they probably take our posts as flames too just from minor little things.

Unless you can't see it, the final portion of my post was directed to the staff as well. All you've been doing is trying to make the staff mad, and at least D is making an effort to be nice about what he's saying.

Just because I don't post "I'm curious" doesn't mean I'm not, either. Oo

And I probably worded that D comment wrong, again. I meant he's the only one who's seen what we do in HQ and the lounge, so hes the only one who can talk based on that.

Heh, I saw it. My point was exactly, that YOU DON'T LISTEN TO US, so how can we work together?

Meh.. and like you said, Dakota is the only person who'se seen ya'll do your work, and we haven't. So we can assume and think about all that we want, 'cause we don't know anything. You can't talk back at that. Tell us exactly what you do and all, so we know.

Not that we ARE making assumptions though...

 

[Kurosaki]

Meh... they probably take our posts as flames too just from minor little things.



Heh, I saw it. My point was exactly, that YOU DON'T LISTEN TO US, so how can we work together?
Stop being so general, it isn't ALL of us, so stop speaking like it is.

Meh.. and like you said, Dakota is the only person who'se seen ya'll do your work, and we haven't. So we can assume and think about all that we want, 'cause we don't know anything. You can't talk back at that. Tell us exactly what you do and all, so we know.
I don't see why you're whining and moaning about that to us, it's Steve and Kwesi's system, we just follow it.

Not that we ARE making assumptions though...
*cough*
The definition for assume: To take over without justification.
Where's your proof? Evidence other than your word?

Al I basically see in your posts now is "I'm gonna see how much I can piss the staff off because I haven't been getting my own way." Out of ALL the active PC members, maybe 4 or 5% think like you guys do. You aren't even open to reason, but rather take what we say and twist it to make it look like we're flaming, or being rude to you, yadda yadda. At least D has the maturity required to discuss such a topic.

 

[Fushigimotsu]

Ty here. (I'm surprised this account hasn't been banned this time. o_O)

Max... a bit of advice. Shut up, now. You have no idea what you're talking about; you're just throwing out insults like a staple gun. I was exactly the same, and look where I ended up. Just get your facts straight or stay out of it. Nobody's going to respect you more just because you can insult figures of authority.

Now can I have my perm.? ;_;

 

[SBaby]

I'm going to try to answer the question to the best of what I know.

I personally haven't had a problem like that with the mods here. I find that PMing them usually won't get a negative response as long as you aren't disrespectful. Of course, don't PM them for every little thing. It DOES get annoying.

Also remember that some of the Mods are 'in character' here. So when you go saying they're flaming you, check around and see if they're not like that to everyone first. You might be surprised.

 

[Freenaturearts]

Ack.......... so much fighting and nothing getting resolved O_O!
To begin with I believe half of whats being talked about here is on a personal basis, the fight with Chan and Dakota for one. And the problem Max is say is about the only thing here that actualy resides to the beginning Question o_o.

And again what happen to Personal matters that useta not be alowed on Pc? Chan, I know you and dakota have problems but isint there a way to speek over that with a chatroom or something? I know since a message I got from dakota how you and him are on the basis of the posts made yesterday. At the same time cant you guy just openly alow eachothers conversations without fight untill you get kind of a biger picture in their ideas, another reason why fights are breaking out is cause you dont mention the exact words you are saying and you are using short turms insted of people fully explaning where they are coming from on this o_o.

I know i'm not one to talk but this place seriosly needs open insite. A place where people just fight back and forth about sertan things is just like a quiet flame thread =/ There must be some way to explan to eachother where one another is coming from while at the same time finding a way to debate among eachother without turning it into a instant fighting ring -_-;.


Edit: the post above me explanes a little something about the personal message standerds o.o and thanks for getting it out in the open. But though it may get anoying, this place is in a since a social breakdown.m if it gets anoying, the person getting the messages again and again could possibly just not be getting the right answer and it is best to continue on untill the means are met. It may get anoying but thats no reason why you shoulint do it o_o I beg for the day when poeple talk reasonably and personaly in a Personal message, only the last three weeks have given my Pm box anything personal to talk about X_X many messages I get are question but same goes for that. It gets anoying yes. But only when you get a message can a ishue be resolved.

 

[Chibi-chan]

o.o I do kinda agree that this seems to be Staff vs people who have been staff or know what PC goes though.

And for what was stated by Ty, why I'm not debating. I'm going to be open and say I'm naive *coughhencewherean11yearoldexceedsmyknowledge* because I don't have straight facts. If only someone else would find that out too....

FNA, unfortunately, we will never live in the land of perfect D:

 

[John Denver]

Everyone that seems to be on my side of the arguement really hasn't helped my side out at all...ugh...99% of the people who are arguing for my side are the "OMG STAFF SUCKS" types, and they wanna label me as the poster child for their arguement. Sorry to burst you guys' bubble, but I'm not anti staff. I'm not rebelling, and I'm not gonna follow this whole "get rid of mods" movement. I think we should work WITH the staff...So if you use me as an example in your little posts, make sure you know where I'm coming from.

~My problem with the staff in regards to PC~

It's my opinion that most of the staff use the rules and regulations to work in their favor and not in that of PC. I also believe that a lot of the decisions they make are for personal gain and ease.

*note: I have an advantage over the other members regarding this because I was a higher staff longer than anyone (aside from Erica and Andy...mah buds...we were all promoted at the same time)

------My Examples--------
----------A: I think they do not tolerate members speaking about them in a non-positive way by locking/deleting/banning. This is shown several times in facts that the last five staff feedback threads have been closed. I think the staff takes even the slightest tense post as a flame, and gets rid of it. Which, to me, seems communist.
----------B: It was my personal experience as a staff that I saw several higher staff (including me) ban members simply because I didn't like them. We would, quite literally, ask around to see if that member has done anything bad yet, and once they did something (even if it was small and miniscule) we'd ban em. And I know that this still goes on now. I don't think this happens all the time, or even some of the time, but more than it should.

~My problems with the staff in regards to me~

They demodded me? Meh, I kinda deserved it. I looked over some of things I did on PC and realized that I was acting really immature. I frankly think I could have been bumped down to S-mod as I'm way overqualified for THAT position seeing as I know the rules just as good (if not better) than mostly any other mod...I know the forums, I know what needs to be done. I don't like admining...I really don't...But demodding me is not what set me off

It was banning me. They shouldn't have banned me, period. My rule break? They never happened. I used the banning example up above about finding any little miniscule reason for me being banned, and they went with it. What got me even madder is the fact that before I even logged into PC to find out I was banned, every higher staff had me blocked on MSN, making it IMPOSSIBLE for me to even try and fight for my side. I was excommunicated from PC, and I couldn't even ask why. When I finally DID confront the person who banned me (Kylie) I tried really hard to settle my case with her, but she wouldn't have it.

That's as far as I wanna go with my personal banning on PC...but if Erica or Andy or Jorge or anybody are reading this...yeah...we should chat

 

[Innocence]

It was banning me. They shouldn't have banned me, period. My rule break? They never happened. I used the banning example up above about finding any little miniscule reason for me being banned, and they went with it. What got me even madder is the fact that before I even logged into PC to find out I was banned, every higher staff had me blocked on MSN, making it IMPOSSIBLE for me to even try and fight for my side. I was excommunicated from PC, and I couldn't even ask why. When I finally DID confront the person who banned me (Kylie) I tried really hard to settle my case with her, but she wouldn't have it.

Umm, Sorry to say this, but do you REALLY think ur 100% innocent? Even I remember manland.(Sorry to andy for bringing it up again) I don't really want to turn this into a flame war, but you can't really think you've done only 1 thing worng. I mean, there were other things.

 

[Innocence]

It was still a reasonable offence though? I mean, i was just mentioning one.

 

[Supreme Edgeboy Max]

What you're sayin'... you want all the flame wars done in PMs and IMs? Fine then.. if talking to ya'll will get me banned, wheee.

As of now, I'm keeping quiet until I figure out why Dakota was banned.. (gotta PM...). If its basically that you banned him without the three warning thing, its unfair.
Unless, that you have already found three warn reasons though.