So let's say

[John Denver]

Max don't get banned over something dumb like this...You've been somewhat decent this whole time without having to resort to ridiculous extremes, so stay cool.

Er-hem...

Seeing as none of the higher staff want to address me about this on msn or aim...I'll just say it here then ;_;

Umm, Sorry to say this, but do you REALLY think ur 100% innocent? Even I remember manland.(Sorry to andy for bringing it up again) I don't really want to turn this into a flame war, but you can't really think you've done only 1 thing worng. I mean, there were other things.

Missingo, you really didn't add to this debate at all by posting that. First off, you don't side for anything, you're basically just saying "Do you think you're right? You aren't!" and leaving it at that

Secondly, Man land had nothing to do with anything. Did I start manland (which seriously wasn't that bad of a convo at all...sex was never mentioned) in the DCC? yeah...But any higher staff knows that there have been FAR worse convos in the DCC that went completely unregarded. Did I break any rules worthy of banning? I couldn't have...do you know why I couldn't have?

Reason 1. Several members posted alongside with me, laughing and encouraging the conversation with me...none of them (that I know of) got in trouble over this manland convo.

Reason 2. Higher staff (3 if I remember correctly) and several other mods posted alonside with me, laughing and encouraging the conversation with me. None of them (that I know of) got in trouble. Yet you (missingo) think I'm the only one in that episode that "broke the rules" and that merits me for a ban? I think you're blowing things out of proportion without thoroughly thinking the facts through.

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Ah, now onto Jakes comment. I commend you, for being one of the only higher staff to maturely tell me why I was banned.

Dakota, I think the rulebreak was about staff member harassment, and we also counted the warnings you accumulated as a Praetor.

I want to begin by saying...You "think" it was about harassment? You sound sort of uncertain, like you don't know the whole story. Well...I know exactly what harassment you're talking about, and it was this.

I called the staff slow.

That's it! You won't find the posts either, cause they've been supposedly "deleted." But there were about 2-4 threads a week before I was banned that needed to be moved/locked becuase they were in the wrong spot, or obviously spam. I left a comment saying the mods are being slow and that this should move this to X forum. That is, basically what I did.

No one seems to bring this other fact up, but including to calling you guys slow, I told the members where they needed to go and even posted links! I know I was being an annoying little snot, but I never...ever, ever broke the rules. Not even once. Let alone 3 times, which is (if I remember correctly) the amount needed to consider banning someone according to the mod rules Kwesi set up.

You also say that offenses that happened while I was praetor counted toward my ban. And I would like to know...what offenses did I have while I was praetor that were against the rules and worthy of a ban? The only thing I ever did was call you guys slow.

Phew...lemme see what Kylie said.

The behaviour you showed was inappropriate. You were a Praetor at the time you managed to get the DCC closed for your actions. That kind of stuff is just not on. @_@; You can't justify that kind of behaviour. Threatening to mass-spam... bashing mods [mods count as members <_< We all are members. Some just have mod powers]... and so forth.

You talk as if it was single handedly me that got the DCC closed (and reopened minutes later?). You ignore the several other members and staff that gleefully posted along with me. Jake himself even said that the DCC had nothing to do with my banning. My threaten to mass post a bunch of PM's about me and claire was

First off: A bluff. The pm's had long since been deleted even while I was talking. You can ask Kura if you want

Second off: It happened on MSN messenger, nullifying it's effects on me and PC.

I was mad for being demodded, so obviously I wanted to take it out on somebody. However, right after I cooled down, I dutyfully apologized to Dawson and Claire for the stupid threats I made. They forgave my and accepted my apology, but you don't seem to want to. And again, I never bashed mods...ever. I asked you to find the posts where I bashed mods. And your immediate response is "they were deleted." The posts never existed Kylie, you're purely making things up to ruin my favor.

Phew...ok so, I said I wouldn't talk about me being banned on here but I did cause I felt like I had to. Everyone was attacking me and I wasn't defending so I felt like I had to clear some things up and shake off people's negative thoughts of me. If you actually read this whole big long post, WOOT for you!

 

[Kurosaki]

[/B]Oh, and Dakota, I'm sure you remember the banning system establishment? We're hoping to make things fairer by trying to set it in stone.

But at the rate we work it could take 3-5 more weeks, Jake. XD

 

[John Denver]

Heh, David, at the rate you guys work...I'll be here another 20 years...nyar nyar nyar

Oh, and Dakota, I'm sure you remember the banning system establishment? We're hoping to make things fairer by trying to set it in stone.

What does that mean?

 

[Kurosaki]

I won't be around that long, I can guarantee that much, XD

The thread where we were trying to make a good banning system, remember? Oo

 

[John Denver]

The thread where we were trying to make a good banning system, remember? Oo

Oh that...man, everyone had a different opinion. One wanted it 3 warnings and another wanted it to 5...I think I said we should just flippin do it when we feel it in our gut! Gut! You guys STILL haven't decided yet? Geez...

 

[Kylie-chan]

Dakota, sex was mentioned... it was hidden by a very thin metaphor, but it was glaringly obvious what it meant.

And Dakota, not only did you have the warnings, but it was plain to see you needed a ban. So you're just labelling yourself a hypocrite.

 

[Supreme Edgeboy Max]

Oooohh, yeah. Shame on me. I already said I'd keep quiet for a while. =P

Basically, Dakota got into trouble for things a lot of other people did... that's not fair.
Next up, being banned without the three warns is NOT fair either.
Next on that then, uh.... I didn't really get what you meant there, about the thing I brought up... ~_~;;
And lastly, a good new banning system is much appreciated by me at least.. a new one should be good for everyone.

And about the moderators being slow.. yeah. I agree to that too. Just a few days ago, every name change was set down for a LONG while... until Kylie and some of the others got Preat..ed... they stayed unchanged. Good to see that she's keeping her promise of doing all name changes as soon as she can, but waiting all that time showed the mods were slow.

DON'T LOOK AT THAT AS FLAME BAIT! I'M NOT INSULTING YA'LL!

 

[Kylie-chan]

...--;
What do you mean it's not fair? <_< Those who break the rules are punished.
Secondly, I SAID he had the warnings. He did. A record of them was kept in the admin forum.
Thirdly, they're not mods, they're Praetors. <_< Also, they weren't changing them for a REASON, which I explained to you. And David changed the majority of them. O_o; And when did I promise anything? As an s-mod, I couldn't change the names. <<;

 

[Supreme Edgeboy Max]

Oooh.. I'm mistaken then. I thought you changed all the names. =P

Meh, wasn't Dakota forgiven before that? Its unfair in that way.

 

[Kylie-chan]

Forgiven? It doesn't mean we waive the warnings <_<

 

[Dark Quill]

As an s-mod, I couldn't change the names. <<;

Ah, see? There aren't many regular users who know how the whole moderator system works, so we weren't sure if you were just doing it too slow, or you were unable (as quoted).


Still, the whole 'demoting Dakota' thing may have been a bit harsh. So far I've seen one (possibly 2) reasons on why, but still no sign of a third reason why it happened.
It was stated that all the warnings and stuff were kept in the mod/admin files. If so, then you should have no trouble pulling up Dakota's list and seeing just how many times he was warned.
Then I'll be convinced on wether it was a harsh judgement or not.

 

[John Denver]

You guys, my post wasn't about me being demodded. That's the 3rd time I've said it. It was about me being banned...

And I would also like to see these "ban warnings" that were supposedly sent me. (by pm or chat of course, don't post it here). If I recall my PM box, the latest warning I ever got was two months ago...and that wasn't even about banning. It was about my name change incident and the admin CP...

 

[Arcanine]

And about the moderators being slow.. yeah. I agree to that too. Just a few days ago, every name change was set down for a LONG while... until Kylie and some of the others got Preat..ed... they stayed unchanged. Good to see that she's keeping her promise of doing all name changes as soon as she can, but waiting all that time showed the mods were slow.

I also agree with some Staff being slow. The way you put it you're sticking all the Staff in the same boat. I'm slow on reports, but someone like Jorge, David, Bobby, Cowrie they are all fast on reports. It's not fair to be putting someone like me in the same boat as them.

And don't start with the stupid name change thread. You asked a question on why it was taking so long for us to change the names. And I clearly posted a reason in your thread on why we're waiting. I told you we were going to get around to them. But still you insist on bringing that up. You are not grateful one bit that the Staff takes the time to change names.
Oh and your little statement about us SAs being lazy or whatever, I got a little something to say about that. Did you know I had to go back and change every single date on all members that had name changes (change it to the day the post was made and not the day the name was changed)? Did you know I had to edit the list to add some name changes (and I didn't change any names)? Did you know some user notes were never posted and I had the PM the member to get the old name? I'm not saying they were wrong by going out and changing the names. I'm just saying that kind of stuff happens when someone rushes out and does things on his/her own. You wanted to rush the Staff in changing names and well see what happens when stuff is rushed? Sure they changed the names, but who had to go behind them and clean up everything? Some lazy S-Admin named Andy that clearly doesn't do any work on PC by your standards, that's who.
And I agree with David (or whoever said it) on saying you're just posting to tick off the Staff. You are not in the same group as D, I understand his reasons for wanting stuff on PC changed and I respect them reasons. But you just come in here and want to take a cheep shot at the Staff and call it "feedback". Stuff like that is why we don't have a feedback threads. Because of members like you stop people like Dakota or whoever can't post real feedback to the Staff in a feedback thread.

 

[John Denver]

I do like some of the staff. And I don't like some of em...I guess I'll critique, and give my flagrant opinions on them. MAN I'm bored...

Yay for dual citizenship...

~Andy~
How I saw Andy while I was a staff: Him and Erica are the two hardest working people on PC. They've done more than anyone to help this place out, though not many people may see it seeing as most of it is done in forums that are invisible. You can be hasty sometimes but overall, you're the kind of staff member we need more of.

How I saw Andy while I was a member: It can be hard to deal with unruly n00b members, I know I know. For one thing, putting in the last word in a thread then locking it (denying members a chance for a rebuttal) is really annoying. Really, really annoying, and rude (even if you're right). And I just saw that as a power trip. And seeing as you've dealt with every kind of member in the past, it can be hard to admit when you're wrong sometimes. But like I said before, there's no much else I can disagree with you on

~Erica~
How I saw Erica while I was a staff: You're basically just like Andy, except you're not as hasty. My fav. staffer...

How I saw Erica while I was a member: Even after I was banned, I still thought you were reasonable. I don't think I've ever really seen you tweak out on a member, and you're very good at being unbiased.

~Steve~
How I saw Steve while I was a staff: Most of the time, I really didn't like you, at all. You made decisions without any consent and got mad when we did the same. But in the last few weeks as a staff I did notice a slight change here and there. You became more of a team player...woot for you.
How I saw Steve while I was a member: I don't think I ever had a member convo with you. It was hard, seeing as you kept treating me like staff. I did notice, though, that you kind of went from one extreme to the other. From doing everything your way and being unruly, to being kind of left in the corner and being everyone's doormat. You need to find a happy medium

~Jorge~
How I saw Jorge while I was a staff: I think you can sometimes take your job too seriously and take some things as a personal attack. But ever since old pc I always thought to myself "whos gonna be the leaders for next generation PC?" Yeah, I always thought you...
How I saw Jorge while I was a member: GEEZ you reminded me of myself a lot. When it came to heavy situations, I always saw you as either a huge jerk, or a brilliantly cool guy. But mostly I saw you just chew the members out when it sounded like they disagreed on a point.

~Kylie-Chan~
How I saw Kylie-Chan while I was a staff: She was the nicest sweetest girl in the world. I never saw her get mad, and I never saw her insult a member. She had a huge inferiority complex which kind of bugged me, but her super sugar coating made up for that. We always have one staff like this. She was acted a lot like Abby (when Abby was still sane).
How I saw Kylie-Chan while I was a member: Not mature enough to make heavy decisions and stick with them. Not mature enough to get in any argument and stick with it. It seemed like she focused more time stating the other persons flaws rather than proving her own point. I don't think she can handle good under pressure.

~Kwesi~
How I saw Kwesi while I was a staff: Come back! We all need you!
How I saw Kwesi while I was a member: COME BACK!!!!! WE ALL NEED YOU!!!!

~Jake and Bobby~ --I did you two together since I react to both you guys the exact same--
How I saw you two while I was a staff: I was pretty neutral with you guys. I thought you did what you were supposed to. You never really stood out. But for some reason, I just loved dissing on you two. I'm not proud of it or anything. I seriously don't even know why I did. You guys never personally did anything to me, you never attacked me or anything. I just always made fun of you guys, and I'll never understand why.
How I saw you two while I was a member: Now I had a reason to dislike you guys. I felt like I could never say anything about the staff without one of you knawing on my arm.

~David~
How I saw David while I was a staff: He seemed like a robot to me. An emotionless, thoughtless kinda robot. Locked what had to be locked. Moved em. Warned em. I never saw an opinion or emotion out of this guy. On msn he was a cool kid, laughin and what not. But on PC, I couldn't get anything out of him.
How I saw David while I was a member: Nothing much had changed. In debates he didn't necessarily pick sides, and I guess he tried to play peace keeper. Preyy timid.

~S-mods: Kaga, DT, Miyu~
How I saw them while I was a staff: You all are awesome! S-mods is my favorite group, because it's easy and it's still important. I have no quarrels with any of you. I wish DT was on more often, but other than that; BOO ya!
How I saw them while I was a member Same thing! Keep doing what your doing! You're the best of the best...I woulda said something about Cowrie but: I don't know anything about her...at all...

So yeah, that took forever to write. If you read all that...than you must be bored.

If any other members/staff have anything they want to add/remove/edit from my critiques...please feel free!

 

[Kurosaki]

~David~
How I saw David while I was a staff: He seemed like a robot to me. An emotionless, thoughtless kinda robot. Locked what had to be locked. Moved em. Warned em. I never saw an opinion or emotion out of this guy. On msn he was a cool kid, laughin and what not. But on PC, I couldn't get anything out of him.
How I saw David while I was a member: Nothing much had changed. In debates he didn't necessarily pick sides, and I guess he tried to play peace keeper. Preyy timid.

Er... >>
Most posts I make that include me making actions I try not to make sound too emotion-ful (? XD), or the members never listen to me otherwise. Not to mention 70% of my posts are in RP. Oo

Don't refer to me as a robot, D, I'm nothing like one. I express my opinions where they're needed, I don't need to give one for everything. Oo;;

You are permitted to your opinion on me, but calling me a robot is kinda pushing it. oo;;

 

[John Denver]

Er... >>
Most posts I make that include me making actions I try not to make sound too emotion-ful (? XD), or the members never listen to me otherwise. Not to mention 70% of my posts are in RP. Oo

Don't refer to me as a robot, D, I'm nothing like one. I express my opinions where they're needed, I don't need to give one for everything. Oo;;

You are permitted to your opinion on me, but calling me a robot is kinda pushing it. oo;;

Oh I'm sure you're not like one irl. I'm just saying, that's just how I personally saw you based on the posts I saw and what not.

And I never go into RP, so I only saw 30% of j00

 

[Arcanine]

~Andy~
How I saw Andy while I was a staff: Him and Erica are the two hardest working people on PC. They've done more than anyone to help this place out, though not many people may see it seeing as most of it is done in forums that are invisible. You can be hasty sometimes but overall, you're the kind of staff member we need more of.

How I saw Andy while I was a member: It can be hard to deal with unruly n00b members, I know I know. For one thing, putting in the last word in a thread then locking it (denying members a chance for a rebuttal) is really annoying. Really, really annoying, and rude (even if you're right). And I just saw that as a power trip. And seeing as you've dealt with every kind of member in the past, it can be hard to admit when you're wrong sometimes. But like I said before, there's no much else I can disagree with you on

I do agree it was wrong with me sticking the last comment in the thread (I might add, I wasn't the one that locked the thread. It was done locked before I typed up my reply. That's why there's no "*Closed*" marker on my post). But I really wouldn't change it, it's the truth. But it still doesn't justify my actions on the matter.
But this brings me back to a part in my post (the one I stuck in after it was closed). I made a post months ago about PC, the thread starter was talking about how PC has changed and it's like the same old stuff over and over. I said a forum is like a song, you listen to it over and over and over again and you won't get that feeling you had when you listened to it for the first time (the post was longer then that). And that thread was closed and I stuck in another post after it was closed. But I never had any threads started or PMs or rep or anything saying "You shouldn't post in a closed thread" (infact I got rep and PMs saying how my post was so true). I'm not saying that one was right, it's just when someone says something you like it's "YAY good for you" but if it's something you don't like it's "OH come on, you know it was wrong to post in there" (I'm not talking about you D, everyone does it).
And that's what I don't like, the Staff are your friends as long as it makes you happy. If I went "Yea us Staff members should really change, and some of us should get demoted etc" then everyone on the side of Staff changes would be going "Yeah, that needed to be said, it even came from a Staff member. I'm glad he made that post". They both weren't right, but I make a post most people don't like and I'm ready to be put in the ground because I'm a "bad guy".
I'm not going to say "I have to work on PC so I have that right" to try to make all things better for myself. I know posting in locked threads are wrong (and mean and some times stuck up), and that's just all there is to it. Something like a Staff member brining up the rules to a member that did wrong is ok (I'm saying if the thread was done closed).

Man I sure do like to say the same thing over and over. XD

 

[John Denver]

Actually that's a really good point. I do find myself liking the staff better when I they agree with my points of view; as do a lot of members when the staff goes with theirs.

I guess everyone is a least a little bit biased on somethings. No one is completely oblivious.

 

[Ryoutarou]

~Jorge~
How I saw Jorge while I was a staff: I think you can sometimes take your job too seriously and take some things as a personal attack. But ever since old pc I always thought to myself "whos gonna be the leaders for next generation PC?" Yeah, I always thought you...

And what's not to be serious about? I invest a lot of time into PC and lot of the things I deal with are personal attacks.

How I saw Jorge while I was a member: GEEZ you reminded me of myself a lot. When it came to heavy situations, I always saw you as either a huge jerk, or a brilliantly cool guy. But mostly I saw you just chew the members out when it sounded like they disagreed on a point.
!

Err...yeah, true.

 

[Freenaturearts]

Just a little something I'd like to clear up o-o, hope you dont mind Dakota, but knowing of boths sides and not taking ether ones side doesint meen you are oblivious it just meens that you are Responsible o_o. When you take someones side more or less you asking for a flame war and at the same time every mod and admin should be abile to understand both sides befor taking on a final posision.

I know many of you can be highly serious. But somtimes I even have to agree that it can get a little over the top o_o Not anything againced you guys, but sometimes you get overwelming and scary, it's good to be the higher up. But scaring your fellow members into submision may not help Oo;