So, When will we get a complete edition?

demostravius

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    We now have 5 regions, and hundreds of pokemon, how long do you think before we get a complete edition?
    Where ALL pokemon are availible across 2 games.

    I would think scaling gym leaders, a proper pokemon league not just the elite 4, perhaps scaling zones, and rather than a tonne of new pokemon, only a handful + loads of other ingame bits and bobs. I am hoping to see a complete edition before they go too far and the pokemon look obscene.. (some of which already do and in my opinion are rediculous rather than good).

    Thoughts?
     
    Probably never. We're only ever gonna get what we have now. A new region with about 145+ new Pokemon. We'll never get a complete edition and if we did it probably won't sell that well, since most people who actually enjoy Pokemon will have the previous games already. Plus, what you're describing sounds more like a Pokemon Hack than an actual game. \:
     
    I really can't see this happening from multiple standpoints.

    I don't think they had a cartage up too this point that could contain all the regions and other stuff along with it incorporated into one game.

    As from a money stand point if this game was instituted it would cost massive amount of money. So I don't know mo much of a market there would be for it if it is really expensive.
     
    That would have to be a super cartridge if we ever got that, lol. I don't think we will though. It'd be pretty damn expensive too. I think what we already get is all we need, really.
     
    I can't see this happening because not only does it take so much time to do, but there may be some memory complications. That, and as said above, there are always remakes.
     
    Ok, to all the people posting above about memory complications and larger cartridges, I have an 8gb flash drive that is about as long as my thumb, and doesn't even weigh a pound. If we can create something that small that holds that much, creating a cartridge that can hold all the regions would be nothing compared to that. The reason Nintendo won't do it is because it would be the end of a multi-million dollar franchise.

    Also, if we are to judge how much memory it would cost, if you use B/W as a base then each region would be about 60 mb's, so 60x5=300mb's. That's less than a 1/5th the size of most of our console games today. It's not about the memory, it's about the money.
     
    Retro Gamer'93 said:
    Ok, to all the people posting above about memory complications and larger cartridges, I have an 8gb flash drive that is about as long as my thumb, and doesn't even weigh a pound. If we can create something that small that holds that much, creating a cartridge that can hold all the regions would be nothing compared to that. The reason Nintendo won't do it is because it would be the end of a multi-million dollar franchise.

    Also, if we are to judge how much memory it would cost, if you use B/W as a base then each region would be about 60 mb's, so 60x5=300mb's. That's less than a 1/5th the size of most of our console games today. It's not about the memory, it's about the money.
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    Your (re-writeable) flash memory drive isn't comparable to the ROM chips that were used in the DS nor the memory used in 3DS cartridges. For one, I imagine that they're produced at a far, far lower cost than the memory used for portable storage devices - there is a reason why the maximum memory capacity of a DS cartridge was 512MB (Used by one game, 256MB carts were uncommon until slowly being made in the past couple of years) and the theoretical maximum of the 3DS is supposed to be 8GB - while games so far are only on 1 or 2GB due to the importance of production costs.

    I don't see where you're coming from at all with B/W. The game just barely fits onto it's 256 megabyte cartridge. It's not unreasonable to point to some of the largest uses of storage being graphics and music, and the more you expand the game, the more storage has to be used for the models and textures used to create the region and for each area's music - and each music track is suddenly going to take up a lot more space now that the 3DS can hold full-quality audio tracks.

    But regardless of storage space this is a completely unreasonable idea because it's clear as day that Game Freak has just enough time and manpower to finish one region when they're making games - look at Black and White for a brilliant example of this.
     
    Never. How are you giong to scale levels when there's like 5 regions to work with. Let's see, 100 levels divided by five regions equals 20 levels per region. And you thought the Lv50 Leagues in Johto and Unova were underleveled... And forcing a brand new team in each region doesn't cut it either... if you can't carry over your Pokemon what would be the point of having this as one game instead of five separate ones?

    And that's not even touching memory and programming/development time constraints.
     
    The 100 Mega Shock said:
    Your (re-writeable) flash memory drive isn't comparable to the ROM chips that were used in the DS nor the memory used in 3DS cartridges. For one, I imagine that they're produced at a far, far lower cost than the memory used for portable storage devices - there is a reason why the maximum memory capacity of a DS cartridge was 512MB (Used by one game, 256MB carts were uncommon until slowly being made in the past couple of years) and the theoretical maximum of the 3DS is supposed to be 8GB - while games so far are only on 1 or 2GB due to the importance of production costs.

    I don't see where you're coming from at all with B/W. The game just barely fits onto it's 256 megabyte cartridge. It's not unreasonable to point to some of the largest uses of storage being graphics and music, and the more you expand the game, the more storage has to be used for the models and textures used to create the region and for each area's music - and each music track is suddenly going to take up a lot more space now that the 3DS can hold full-quality audio tracks.

    But regardless of storage space this is a completely unreasonable idea because it's clear as day that Game Freak has just enough time and manpower to finish one region when they're making games - look at Black and White for a brilliant example of this.
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    I apologize for the wrong memory amounts, I was think of the ROM images not the actual cartridge itsself, but still, if the theoretical limit is 8gb's then that's still more than enough space to fit all of the regions into it even with music, graphics, etc.

    And while a complete game would be awesome, I agree that it won't happen anytime soon.
     
    There is no way they would spend the effort involved in creating a game with 5+ regions and sell it for the price of one. No one would buy it if they sold it at the price it would cost them to make.
    Be glad they're even making remakes.
     
    Something else that just hit me about new games, and what's probably one of the things that takes up the most space in RPG games: voice acting.

    Please don't use this to debate about whether Pokémon game should be voice acted or not - that's a completely different can of worms and somebody should probably make a new topic for that if they want. I just want to mention that if Game Freak decided to cast voice actors for their games like plenty other Japanese RPGs have on new systems, that would take up an increasing amount of space the more people are in the game.

    As a final word - for example, Final Fantasy XII comes in just shy of 4GBs of data, and one of the biggest ways that game saved space was by not having a full CD soundtrack - the music is played with sampled instruments much like a DS game.
     
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    Scaling would be simple, just have the gym leaders pokemon always be 1 level higher than the strongest pokemon in your team (or to that effect).
    I don't think it would work as well with zones. Finishing the main area and moving to another region is very fast in the current games, it's not challenging at all.

    The biggest issue I could see would be having a full edition would be like ending the franchise, although it would not have to be.


    On another note; I have always wondered why there is no PC versions of the game, I really don't want to buy an NDS just for pokemon so I am stuck with emerald for now.
    I can only conclude they want to keep it limited to their platforms. A disapointment really but I can wait for working ROM's.
     
    MetalMario said:
    There is no way they would spend the effort involved in creating a game with 5+ regions and sell it for the price of one. No one would buy it if they sold it at the price it would cost them to make.
    Be glad they're even making remakes.
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    I have to agree with this. If they can make 40 bucks a game, why would they sell them altogether for less than the combined cost of them? And then who would buy it for that ridiculous amount of money?
     
    I think it doesn't make a lot of sense from a business standpoint. If they were ever going to provide us with a deluxe edition, it'd have to be the last Pokemon game they ever made, because once you have the deluxe edition, what would follow it? While I love the thought of this and have considered it many times myself, I think it'd make the statement that the Pokemon franchise was over for good, and when it's making so much money, why would they end the franchise?
     
    This seems even less unlikely, but I'd like to see this as a console game, it doesn't need any fancy graphics or anything like Pokemon Colosseum, but it would be able to fit all 5 regions, and maybe if they don't care about compatibility, they could raise the maximum level over 100 to make up for the amount of content to get through, or just slow down how fast you level. Even though that would be weird getting your final evolution of your starter around your 12th badge or so. I would still love to see this happen.
     
    I love how despite the fact it has been announced that B/W is probably the last new installment in the main series we're still acting like there's inevitably going to be more games. |D

    Regardless, this is more likely than you guys think, though whether they release a "global" remake of their games or just separate remakes is up for debate.
     
    Put it on the Wii/Wii U. Same graphics, more space.
     
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