Suicide

[ANARCHit3cht]

Yeah but still, attempting to suicide is sort of similar, since in both cases the person is thinking of killing themselves, so attempting and failing sort of counts - the only difference is if it happens.

..I forgot my original point >>;

Sometimes, failing a suicide is the one thing that will get people to realize that they shouldn't kill themselves.

 

[Tinhead Bruce]

Then pretty much instead of reverse psychology, you should've talked about suicide in general then. Though ignoring something doesn't make the problem go away.

I'm not using reverse psychology as a way for them to realize "oh, I should look on the brighter side instead". And I am talking about suicide in general. His/her case isn't special whatsoever, no matter how much they think it is. Most suicidal people feel exactly the same way. And you know what? Society is better when people realize they're being ridiculous and decide that living is better than dying. So fine, you want me to tell them that life is great and everything is fine? Life is great, and everything is fine. Now I won't get flamed for being an insensitive jerk? Great.

 

[ANARCHit3cht]

I'm not using reverse psychology as a way for them to realize "oh, I should look on the brighter side instead". And I am talking about suicide in general. His/her case isn't special whatsoever, no matter how much they think it is. Most suicidal people feel exactly the same way. And you know what? Society is better when people realize they're being ridiculous and decide that living is better than dying. So fine, you want me to tell them that life is great and everything is fine? Life is great, and everything is fine. Now I won't get flamed for being an insensitive jerk? Great.

I find truth in what you say, and if I've figured out Forever, she does too(slightly). The way you entered, imo, made you sound slightly arrogant.

 

[Ho-Oh]

I'm not using reverse psychology as a way for them to realize "oh, I should look on the brighter side instead". And I am talking about suicide in general. His/her case isn't special whatsoever, no matter how much they think it is. Most suicidal people feel exactly the same way. And you know what? Society is better when people realize they're being ridiculous and decide that living is better than dying. So fine, you want me to tell them that life is great and everything is fine? Life is great, and everything is fine. Now I won't get flamed for being an insensitive jerk? Great.

No, you don't necessarily have to tell them that they don't deserve to be cared about.

 

[Tinhead Bruce]

I find truth in what you say, and if I've figured out Forever, she does too(slightly). The way you entered, imo, made you sound slightly arrogant.

Glad my point got across. And I have absolutely no more worth than any other schmuck, I just have experience with people who feel they have nothing to live for, and I have no pity for those who feel that way. Sorry if it sounds harsh, but everybody goes through hardships, and it's important that they do. Those who are strong enough will come out better on the other side. I feel like I'm playing the villain here, which isn't terrible, but I'm not usually this way. I'm a pretty warm guy in person, but I've seen too many cases of people who want to commit suicide, or have tried to, and I just don't tend to have patience for it. Because I know those that have wanted to, or tried to and didn't succeed, are great people, and they've learned that life is too important to squander.

No, you don't necessarily have to tell them that they don't deserve to be cared about.

I'm just telling them what the seem to want to hear. So I guess I am using reverse psychology, because I know it's not really want they want, I just don't really care about their whining that they don't deserve to be cared about. I care about them, so if they accept that, great, if not, I'm not going to waste my time crying over it.

 

[Gary the Magic Fairy]

I think it's selfish to assume that you know what the person committing suicide is feeling. It's their life, if they feel like ending it sooner, then it's their choice. We're all dying anyways.

 

[ANARCHit3cht]

For something else to chew on:

I think that suicide is often times the "cowards" way out.

 

[Ho-Oh]

I'm just telling them what the seem to want to hear. So I guess I am using reverse psychology, because I know it's not really want they want, I just don't really care about their whining that they don't deserve to be cared about. I care about them, so if they accept that, great, if not, I'm not going to waste my time crying over it.

And?

Imagine someone has a knife to their throat. They say "Nobody cares about me I'm going to kill myself!" and you'd say "You're right, nobody cares about you."

That's really what they'd like to hear in a situation like that.

 

[Tinhead Bruce]

For something else to chew on:

I think that suicide is often times the "cowards" way out.

Thank you. It really is. Then again, cowards tend to be always have cowardice in them, so is it really possible to get it out of them?

And?

Imagine someone has a knife to their throat. They say "Nobody cares about me I'm going to kill myself!" and you'd say "You're right, nobody cares about you."

That's really what they'd like to hear in a situation like that.

Right, so I say that to them, they kill themselves, and I move on with my life. If it's what they want to hear, am I not making them happy? Aren't I a good little boy?

 

[Ho-Oh]

You wouldn't feel guilty for being responsible for another's death?

 

[Tinhead Bruce]

You wouldn't feel guilty for being responsible for another's death?

I'm not responsible. I was just there, telling them that if they really want to, I won't hold them back. You're flattering me by telling me I have that kind of power.

 

[Akarei Yorume]

Thank you. It really is. Then again, cowards tend to be always have cowardice in them, so is it really possible to get it out of them?

Of course it's possible for cowards to gain courage. You just have to give them a chance.

Right, so I say that to them, they kill themselves, and I move on with my life. If it's what they want to hear, am I not making them happy? Aren't I a good little boy?

That is downright cruel. Someone in that situation needs help, and "You're right, nobody cares" is not what they want to hear, no matter how it seems.

...it just isn't right to call these people selfish. All they want is to be loved, and they have no idea they actually are. Suicide is just what happens when it's too late. When those around them didn't get the message in time. When they failed to help.

 

[Ho-Oh]

You had a chance to stop them and you didn't. There will be guilt there otherwise you don't have a conscience.

 

[Ninja Caterpie]

I'm not responsible. I was just there, telling them that if they really want to, I won't hold them back. You're flattering me by telling me I have that kind of power.

If you could stop them and don't, that's close enough to being responsible. It's responsible for letting them die.

 

[Tinhead Bruce]

You had a chance to stop them and you didn't. There will be guilt there otherwise you don't have a conscience.

Fine, I don't say anything, they kill themselves. I'm just a bystander, I didn't do anything to influence their decision, so my presence was objective. Maybe I'll feel guilty, maybe I won't. It doesn't mean I don't have a conscience. Things are never black and white. For all we know, I have a bigger, better conscience than you do.

P.S. I'm done with this topic for now. Narcissus was a much better contrast, and our argument has degenerated into something incredibly unimportant.

 

[Ho-Oh]

Fine, I don't say anything, they kill themselves. I'm just a bystander, I didn't do anything to influence their decision, so my presence was objective. Maybe I'll feel guilty, maybe I won't. It doesn't mean I don't have a conscience. Things are never black and white. For all we know, I have a bigger, better conscience than you do.

What makes you decide who has a better conscience? You said you'd let someone die and not try to stop them. I don't know whether that's a very nice thing. :(

 

[Magik?!]

I think teenagers committing suicide and adults committing it are very different things. For the teenager, it's almost always caused by bullying, family isssues or a mental disease. For adults it's mainly delusions that what they are doing is 'brave' or something. I think whether it's selfish or not depends on the reasoning.

One of my best friends little sisters committed suicide aged thirteen a few months ago and it wouldn't even cross my mind of calling her selfish, despite the fact that it totally ruined her brother - both her brother and I know why she did it and stuff, and neither of us can really say that we wouldn't do any different.

On the other hand, my dad went out with a lady who had attempted suicide 20 times or something, and she had a little boy who was only like... 7 or something. For her to commit suicide (and actually succeed) would leave that little boy not only without a mum, but also knowing that his mum felt that the world was so awful she had to kill herself. I think that is the height of selfishness. (needless to say, my dad didn't go out with her for long)

 

[blaze_the_cat]

Im under the impression that everyone has had thoughts of ending it all.

I have multiple times, but i dont know if i could do it. Id miss everything, such as my first car, my first real girlfriend that lasts, children.

That, and id probably get scared when i was on the point of doing it and chicken out.

 

[Captain Fabio]

I think that suicide is selfish. Why? Because that person has at least one person who cares for them.

I am sorry, but you can f*ck off right now.
Who the hell are you to say something like that? Even if it is your opinion, it is out of order. Someone's opinion might think that you should just die, but it doesn't need to be said does it?

My best mate killed himself just over 5 years ago now and do you know what he was going through? No. Do you know what most people go through when contemplating suicide? No. It is a last resort when everything has just failed. You have to be pretty rock bottom to even consider the fact of taking your own life.

If you committed suicide, I wouldn't think it was a 'selfish' act. I would consider it sad that someone was at that stage of depression. Look at it another way. What is someone you loved committed suicide. Would you look down at them as being 'selfish'? I highly doubt you would.

You don't know what people go through so how can you say they are selfish? Because they are leaving people behind? You don't think they would have thought about that? My friend wrote letters to his family, me and another friend. It was full of problems that I am not going into. If I was faced with that, I would certainly consider that path. I still have that letter to this day, so don't say they just 'leave' people behind, because he hasn't left me behind with that. He took our feelings into account and did as much as possible to help our mourning.

You don't know what you're talking about be glad you have a perfect life and don't understand the concept at all, now kindly get lost and keep your useless opinion to yourself until you actually experience suicide. Next time you say such a stupid and selfish thing, consider other peoples feelings, because you have no idea how angry you have made me.

 

[blaze_the_cat]

All it takes alot of the time is one kind word or action to save some one from spiraling into depression.

Sad that alot of people dont realise that, and just try to avoid the subject.

Fabio, It states that your nature is calm. I see what you mean though. I for one, have never experienced a close person committing suicide, and the OP was harsh in calling it selfish.

But isnt telling them to f*ck off a bit too far? We all have our opinions.