Suicide

[Weatherman Kiyoshi]

Well, I 1100% out of 100% don't recommend ever taking your life.

You shouldn't really deal with a massive, upsetting lump of problems by just ending your existance. Problems are meant to be worked out, so you can live a decent life and feel accomplished you got through them.

I've never had to deal with being suicidal, but I have had experienced with someone who's depressed.
Sadly, a lot of your words a counteracted by some depressing reason or "fact".

Fabio, I understand your care and love for your friend, and I highly appreciate it.

I think what they meant by "selfish", was that someone always loves you. No matter how much you take into account thier feelings and try to dull there sadness,
all your doing is taking away someone they love and making them horribly upset. So, if they're taking thier life, all they're really doing is thinking about themself and thier problems.

That's just what I think they meant.
I partially think suicide is selfish for these reasons, but, you have your own opinion.

 

[Throat]

When I hear anyone say that suicide is a selfish act because someone always loved the person who commits suicide I get annoyed and a little angry.

Does everyone always know they're loved? Is it always a person's fault if they feel unloved or alone?

I get a bit upset, too. If they love the person so, why don't they talk to them and know about the problem in order to help? Of course something isn't right with a person who wishes to attempt suicide.

I would never do it because I like my life, but I don't feel overly commited to it. E.g., if I had a disease that would make me go through much pain, I'd surely think about suicide.

 

[Zeffy]

Suicide is a bad bad thing. Zeffy no likes it.

I have 3 reasons why it's a bad thing:

1. It hurts.
2. It's pointless as because you are wasting your life.
3. It hurts, a lot.
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If you'd try to go and suicide, I'd probably stop you because: every person is important.

 

[Ayselipera]

I really hate when I hear others say suicide is selfish. Unless you've been pushed to almost doing it or know someone close who has you really can't judge it like that.

You have to think about the person who decides to commit suicide. They obviously must be in extreme amounts of emotional pain and turmoil to go through with it. When someone is in that much pain they may not be thinking of how everyone else will feel. Either that or they don't realize that others will care. They feel alone maybe even deserted and this is their last resort.

I think the whole idea of it being a selfish act may have been out of pain and mourning. You want to put the blame on them for your pain because they themselves have caused that pain to occur. I can't help, but see that as the completely wrong way to view it. Maybe this is too far the other way, but my suggestion would be to view it as an act of release. I like to think that by taking their life they are now free from the pain they felt before. Now I'm not a religious person at all, but I guess I just like to think for the best of other people.

 

[Ho-Oh]

2. It's selfish as because you are wasting your life.

How is that selfish? It is your own life to waste. You're not wasting someone else's life. I think you may need to re-word.

 

[Harmonie]

I couldn't find a thead on this.

Hm.. to generate some discussion:

I think that suicide is selfish. Why? Because that person has at least one person who cares for them. By taking their life, they are also taking a loved one/friend from that person. They are only taking into account what they feel, and not others.

It is selfish in some cases, but some people really get it bad in life, like bad crippling diseases that take one or more senses from them (yes, they exist), and personally I can't see why the person that is suffering that much would be so "selfish". Shouldn't the other people want them to not suffer? Wouldn't it be more selfish of them to want to keep the person alive?

So really I'm sick about hearing how suicide is so "selfish" and how it's for the "weak". I'm sorry, but the vast majority of people who say that would no longer think that way if they ended up in one of those extreme situations. Life is not always going to be fair, I mean it really isn't for anybody, but... There are varying degrees, and some people just get hit REALLY hard, and as I said before, the vast majority of us wouldn't be able to take being in such a situation as easily as we say we would.

Committing suicide because your boyfriend broke up with you, because you lost your job, etc. is not right. Those are "temporary" problems. But not all problems are. So quit generalizing. It is making me sick. You have no idea what some people have to go through.

While I think that many situations where one commits suicide are just wrong, I can't argue too much because it is their life and their body. As long as they aren't taking somebody else with them it is their right. Plus some people have mental problems. You can't blame them for it.

Seriously you have to be in one of these situations before you can judge somebody. Once you are you understand that it is just wrong to go around labeling. It's just wrong. Life can get hard, really hard... So hard that somebody wanting out is not "weak". If you think otherwise, well you just don't understand how bad things can get. I'll say that.

Things are not so black and white.

 

[Captain Fabio]

Fabio, It states that your nature is calm. I see what you mean though. I for one, have never experienced a close person committing suicide, and the OP was harsh in calling it selfish.

But isnt telling them to f*ck off a bit too far? We all have our opinions.

Well, in my eyes, saying suicide is selfish is a bit too far; so that is my opinion. You are right, we all have our opinions, but unless someone has actually experienced a loved one taking their life, I don't think they can fully understand it.

I ain't saying that you can't understand it, but there is a difference between fully understanding something, and having an opinion on the understanding.

Fabio, I understand your care and love for your friend, and I highly appreciate it.

I think what they meant by "selfish", was that someone always loves you. No matter how much you take into account thier feelings and try to dull there sadness,
all your doing is taking away someone they love and making them horribly upset. So, if they're taking thier life, all they're really doing is thinking about themself and thier problems.

That's just what I think they meant.
I partially think suicide is selfish for these reasons, but, you have your own opinion.

Understandable. But what if that person is so depressed, they don't see that that one person loves them? Depression is a very serious thing and isn't something that can be cured by someone saying they love that depressed person.

I don't like the idea of suicide and I hate it more now because my best mate took his life, but I still don't think it is selfish; regardless of the situation.

I don't think anyone can truly comment on it, unless they have tried to take their own life :/

 

[Zeffy]

How is that selfish? It is your own life to waste. You're not wasting someone else's life. I think you may need to re-word.

Darn. I was going to say pointless, but a lot of post here have selfish which made my mind slip off.

 

[Harmonie]

Darn. I was going to say pointless, but a lot of post here have selfish which made my mind slip off.

I don't understand. If somebody is suffering so much how is it "pointless"?

 

[Zeffy]

I don't understand. If somebody is suffering so much how is it "pointless"?

Its just my point of view. People have different views, and mine is that. I actually have friends who always thinks of going suicide, but I would always stop them. Where are they now? They became happy-go-lucky people that hangs out in the mall with their friends.

Also, I have went through too much suffering: from love to family business. That didn't made me think of suicide, but made me 'Keep Moving Forward'.

If you're point of view is different then I respect it. :)

 

[Harmonie]

Its just my point of view. People have different views, and mine is that. I actually have friends who always thinks of going suicide, but I would always stop them. Where are they now? They became happy-go-lucky people that hangs out in the mall with their friends.

Also, I have went through too much suffering: from love to family business. That didn't made me think of suicide, but made me 'Keep Moving Forward'.

If you're point of view is different then I respect it. :)

But what I'm telling you is that not everybody can have such happy endings, and the things that you and the others have gone through is not comparable to some of the stuff that really makes people commit suicide.

As I said in my original post, some people can get really bad diseases that make them suffer horribly and makes them lose senses and stuff like that. It is extreme, but it happens. Go through that and then tell me that you can "keep moving forward". I mean some people can, but we are not all like that, and it is not being weak.

 

[Spinor]

I am sorry, but you can f*ck off right now.
Who the hell are you to say something like that? Even if it is your opinion, it is out of order. Someone's opinion might think that you should just die, but it doesn't need to be said does it?

We don't like ****ing off, it's too hard :( And in most cases suicide being selfish is pretty much a fact. Like most teen suicides. They should already know that they have family that loves them. If can't have that ever realized, one must wonder if they deserved to live.

My best mate killed himself just over 5 years ago now and do you know what he was going through? No. Do you know what most people go through when contemplating suicide? No. It is a last resort when everything has just failed. You have to be pretty rock bottom to even consider the fact of taking your own life.

Nope and nope. I would see it natural that he hurt your feelings like bloody hell when he killed himself. The unfortunate fact is he was selfish, only thinking about his problems and not realizing what it would cause to other people. I will be honest, you can't help but wonder if people with that mentality deserved to live.

If you committed suicide, I wouldn't think it was a 'selfish' act. I would consider it sad that someone was at that stage of depression. Look at it another way. What is someone you loved committed suicide. Would you look down at them as being 'selfish'? I highly doubt you would.

My girlfriend had a history of slight suicidal behavior. I know she came to her senses when we finally knew we had our feelings for each other and felt loved. She suddenly realized her family love. And we are happy. But most of all I am proud to have turned her around. Because yes if she ever committed suicide I would remember her as selfish. Even during that time I would still remember how much I love. I face the facts, thus my feelings. They would be something very messed up in that scenario. I've faced feelings I hypothesize may lead people to depression. But the simple solution is to think, and branch out solutions like a good engineer every human is supposed to be.

You don't know what people go through so how can you say they are selfish? Because they are leaving people behind? You don't think they would have thought about that? My friend wrote letters to his family, me and another friend. It was full of problems that I am not going into. If I was faced with that, I would certainly consider that path. I still have that letter to this day, so don't say they just 'leave' people behind, because he hasn't left me behind with that. He took our feelings into account and did as much as possible to help our mourning.

For some reason this reminds me of my brothers old Halloween masks... meh, dunno.

You don't know what you're talking about be glad you have a perfect life and don't understand the concept at all, now kindly get lost and keep your useless opinion to yourself until you actually experience suicide. Next time you say such a stupid and selfish thing, consider other peoples feelings, because you have no idea how angry you have made me.

Meh, nobody has an idea... but I'll get over it. In fact, I'm over it already. Who's hungry?

 

[Zeffy]

But what I'm telling you is that not everybody can have such happy endings, and the things that you and the others have gone through is not comparable to some of the stuff that really makes people commit suicide.

As I said in my original post, some people can get really bad diseases that make them suffer horribly and makes them lose senses and stuff like that. It is extreme, but it happens. Go through that and then tell me that you can "keep moving forward". I mean some people can, but we are not all like that, and it is not being weak.

Actually I've already been through a terrible disease, and I don't want to talk about it. And like I said its my point of view. People have different views.

 

[Binary]

Why would a person give his life for almost no valid reason? That's "pointless".

 

[Captain Fabio]

We don't like ****ing off, it's too hard :( And in most cases suicide being selfish is pretty much a fact. Like most teen suicides. They should already know that they have family that loves them. If can't have that ever realized, one must wonder if they deserved to live.

I like the fact you simply rounded him up into that category of idiotic and attention seeking teenagers that try to take their life; or the unfortunate people with munchausens. After that comment, I don't think you deserve to live.

Nope and nope. I would see it natural that he hurt your feelings like bloody hell when he killed himself. The unfortunate fact is he was selfish, only thinking about his problems and not realizing what it would cause to other people. I will be honest, you can't help but wonder if people with that mentality deserved to live.

There is no fact about it. It might be a fact in your mind, but to others, it is called an opinion.

My girlfriend had a history of slight suicidal behavior. I know she came to her senses when we finally knew we had our feelings for each other and felt loved. She suddenly realized her family love. And we are happy. But most of all I am proud to have turned her around. Because yes if she ever committed suicide I would remember her as selfish. Even during that time I would still remember how much I love. I face the facts, thus my feelings. They would be something very messed up in that scenario. I've faced feelings I hypothesize may lead people to depression. But the simple solution is to think, and branch out solutions like a good engineer every human is supposed to be.

There is a clue there. 'Slight suicidal behavior'. Maybe she doesn't deserve to live because she considered suicide. Using your logic here.

For some reason this reminds me of my brothers old Halloween masks... meh, dunno.

Meh, nobody has an idea... but I'll get over it. In fact, I'm over it already. Who's hungry?

No thanks. I already ate.

I would actually love to see you say that to a family of a suicidal loved one. In fact, you wouldn't. Just because you are in front of a computer screen, doesn't mean your respect needs to go out the window.

 

[Yamikarasu]

I have a friend who has attempted suicide twice, but I would never say she was being "selfish" or anything like that. She was suffering from depression, she had some issues with drugs, and I am not going to fault her for anything, especially when the last thing she needs to feel right now is guilt.

Seriously. If you don't know what it's like to seriously consider killing yourself, then you really don't have the right to criticize.

When you are going against the most influential instinct you have, the will to survive, then there is something wrong. Are they doing it for attention? So what? They need the attention at that moment in their lives. I'm not saying there aren't a lot of annoying kids who like to dress up in black and cut themselves because they like to pretend they have issues, but the fact is that there are people who legitimately have problems that need to be addressed.

 

[ANARCHit3cht]

I have a friend who has attempted suicide twice, but I would never say she was being "selfish" or anything like that. She was suffering from depression, she had some issues with drugs, and I am not going to fault her for anything, especially when the last thing she needs to feel right now is guilt.

You shouldn't fault her for it :/

Seriously. If you don't know what it's like to seriously consider killing yourself, then you really don't have the right to criticize.

Have you considered it?

When you are going against the most influential instinct you have, the will to survive, then there is something wrong. Are they doing it for attention? So what? They need the attention at that moment in their lives. I'm not saying there aren't a lot of annoying kids who like to dress up in black and cut themselves because they like to pretend they have issues, but the fact is that there are people who legitimately have problems that need to be addressed.

Exactly. But, suicide is never the answer.

 

[Harmonie]

Exactly. But, suicide is never the answer.

Seriously? That's all you have to say?

I'm so sick of this. You have no clue what some people have to go through, when there really isn't a bright light at the end of the tunnel, when it's just suffering both physically and mentally for the rest of their lives.

You have no right to tell others what to do with their lives. Especially when you haven't even walked in their shoes.

 

[Dawn]

xD That made me giggle.

On the topic's note, I think that suicide is totally ok. If you want to die, go right ahead. It's your life, why should any of us stop you? After all, we shan't be selfish and beg them not to go just because WE want them to, we need to think of what they want.

Choice only goes as far as not infringing on the choices and lives of others. Regardless of the fact that a certain issue BLATANTLY violates this rule, suicide is not that issue.

This being said, suicide is not a right, not a choice someone has.
It's not in fact, acceptable to commit suicide. I don't think society does enough to stress that suicide is not a choice or an answer.

You know, there was a time in my earlier teenage years where I was at suicides doorstep. I had done something that at the time had seemed unacceptable to me, and I was overwhelmed with guilt. It definitely was NOT the "it's selfish" argument that saved me from that fate, and the "it's okay" would've been about as good as saying "DO IT! I don't care."

The thing that saved me, was that deep down, I wanted to live. Suicide was tempting, but I wanted an answer, something to make it not so tempting. A combination of my friends continued presence and support gave me the time I needed to give suicide a nice, long thought. Eventually I found religion and that gave me a solid answer, that a forced afterlife would be worse than any life I could manage.

That solid reason killed suicide for me. I never went back to that place again, and developed better social skills as a direct result. I think the "It's okay"/Do it/Do not care stance could have made the entire ordeal a lot harder.

It could have even gotten me killed. The lack of support might haven denied me the time and sanity to think things out.

As someone who has been there I'd like to say that what I WANTED was to not want to commit suicide anymore.

Seriously? That's all you have to say?

I'm so sick of this. You have no clue what some people have to go through, when there really isn't a bright light at the end of the tunnel, when it's just suffering both physically and mentally for the rest of their lives.

You have no right to tell others what to do with their lives. Especially when you haven't even walked in their shoes.

He's right, actually. Now someone who has been in that place is telling you. If anything, I think you should ask him to explain rather than insulting him by denying him his right of speech. Just saying.

Glad my point got across. And I have absolutely no more worth than any other schmuck, I just have experience with people who feel they have nothing to live for, and I have no pity for those who feel that way. Sorry if it sounds harsh, but everybody goes through hardships, and it's important that they do. Those who are strong enough will come out better on the other side. I feel like I'm playing the villain here, which isn't terrible, but I'm not usually this way. I'm a pretty warm guy in person, but I've seen too many cases of people who want to commit suicide, or have tried to, and I just don't tend to have patience for it. Because I know those that have wanted to, or tried to and didn't succeed, are great people, and they've learned that life is too important to squander.



I'm just telling them what the seem to want to hear. So I guess I am using reverse psychology, because I know it's not really want they want, I just don't really care about their whining that they don't deserve to be cared about. I care about them, so if they accept that, great, if not, I'm not going to waste my time crying over it.

I see your truth and point, but perhaps you could handle the situation better by offering these people more support? Depression is a mental illness in that it makes it hard to think things through, the thoughts of depression can be blinding. Support and time can be the difference between life and death in this situation. I'd know, I was there, and it was often hard to think straight. It took time, and lots of it (Relatively, anyway). Call it whatever you want, but it's one of the only variables you can change (Support).

 

[molepeople27]

What about if the person suffers from a mental illness?
I have schizoaffective disorder and it has pretty much ruined my life
I rather be dead then go through this nightmare