Team Help?

[LiquidForce]

I'm new to competitive battling and making good teams so could someone tell if this two are a good combination?
I'll cover all Heracross'"weaknesses.

Gyarados (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spd
Nature: Jolly (+Speed, -Sp.Atk)
- ??
- Sleep Talk
- Scald
- Rest

Weakness: Electric, Rock

Heracross takes down Gyarados' weaknesses with Earthquake.


Heracross (M) @ Choice Band/Heracronite
Ability: Guts/Skill Link
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Hp/ 4 Spd
Nature: Adamant (+Atk, -Sp.Atk)
- Stone Edge
- Earthquake
- Arm Thrust
- Pin Missile

Weakness: Fire, Psychic, Flying, Fairy

 

[Nah]

For RestTalk Gyarados, you'll want either an Adamant or Impish nature to boost either its ability to tank damage or dish it out. Also, never use special attacks on Gyarados; its Attack is far greater than its Sp.Attack. You'll wanna use Waterfall as your Water attack, and put Dragon Dance in the remaining slot.


You'll wanna choose between using Mega Heracross and Choice Band Heracross. Multi-hit moves are usually only good with Skill Link, which regular Heracross lacks. And while it can deal with Gyarados's counters, its can't repeatedly switch into them. And Mega Manentric kills 'em both.


So you might wanna consider running another poke to help deal with that. Like maybe Hippowdon or Gastrodon.


-Hippowdon w/Leftovers
Nature:Careful
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 248 HP, 8 Defense, 252 Sp.Defense
Moves: Earthquake, Rock Slide/Ice Fang, Slack Off, Whirlwind/Toxic


-Gastrodon w/Leftovers
Nature: Relaxed
Ability: Storm Drain
EVs: 252 HP, 252 Defense, 4 Sp.Defense
Moves: Scald, Recover, Earthquake/Earth Power, Toxic


They work fairly well together with the other 2.


Then you're gonna need a special attacker, because you don't have one yet. anything you were thinking of using?

 

[LiquidForce]

Thanks for the advice!
Yes I know about the nature of Gyarados, I wrote down the wrong nature, Its adamant.
You`re totally right about using waterfall instead of scald, I had waterfall in mind but I didn't saw that scald is an Sp.Atk. But because it can inflict burn I thought it would be good to use that.
I was also thinking about using a Blissey as a wall and then I need to get a Sp.Attacker.
But which Heracross would you use? I think I should use Mega Heracross.
And I also like your Gastrodon idea, but can I use him as Sp.Attacker?

I'm sorry if I said something very stupid, I'm new to all these things. :P

 

[PlatinumDude]

Thanks for the advice!
Yes I know about the nature of Gyarados, I wrote down the wrong nature, Its adamant.
You`re totally right about using waterfall instead of scald, I had waterfall in mind but I didn't saw that scald is an Sp.Atk. But because it can inflict burn I thought it would be good to use that.
I was also thinking about using a Blissey as a wall and then I need to get a Sp.Attacker.
But which Heracross would you use? I think I should use Mega Heracross.
And I also like your Gastrodon idea, but can I use him as Sp.Attacker?

I'm sorry if I said something very stupid, I'm new to all these things. :P

Megacross > regular Heracross in OU. The regular form is outclassed by a bunch of stuff in OU, like Conkeldurr and Infernape:
-Close Combat/Swords Dance
-Pin Missile
-Rock Blast
-Earthquake
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 40 HP/252 Atk/216 Spe
Item: Heracronite
Ability: Moxie/Guts

Gastrodon is better as defensive to better handle physical attackers:
-Scald
-Earthquake/Earth Power
-Ice Beam/Toxic
-Recover
Nature: Relaxed/Bold
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Storm Drain

 

[LiquidForce]

Megacross > regular Heracross in OU. The regular form is outclassed by a bunch of stuff in OU, like Conkeldurr and Infernape:
-Close Combat/Swords Dance
-Pin Missile
-Rock Blast
-Earthquake
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 40 HP/252 Atk/216 Spe
Item: Heracronite
Ability: Moxie/Guts

Gastrodon is better as defensive to better handle physical attackers:
-Scald
-Earthquake/Earth Power
-Ice Beam/Toxic
-Recover
Nature: Relaxed/Bold
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Storm Drain

So you think I should use Mega Heracross with Skill Link and some multi hit moves? I think thats's the best way to use him because of his good atk.

 

[Nah]

Thanks for the advice!
Yes I know about the nature of Gyarados, I wrote down the wrong nature, Its adamant.
You`re totally right about using waterfall instead of scald, I had waterfall in mind but I didn't saw that scald is an Sp.Atk. But because it can inflict burn I thought it would be good to use that.
I was also thinking about using a Blissey as a wall and then I need to get a Sp.Attacker.
But which Heracross would you use? I think I should use Mega Heracross.
And I also like your Gastrodon idea, but can I use him as Sp.Attacker?

I'm sorry if I said something very stupid, I'm new to all these things. :P

Blissey makes for a great special wall:


-Blissey w/Leftovers
Nature: Calm
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP, 252 Defense, 4 Sp.Defense
Moves: Softboiled/Wish, Aromatherapy/Heal Bell, Protect, Flamethrower/Toxic


Like [supporter]Platinum[/supporter] said MegaCross is usually better than regular Heracross. The wallbreaking power of Skill Link+180 base Attack is really nice.


Gastrodon can't really work it as a special attacker. Its offenses aren't high enough, and its movepool isn't big enough. It makes for a great bulky Pokémon, trust me.


And while Scald's burn chance is nice, its still not worth it on Gyarados. Having Dragon Dance and Waterfall allows it to beat other walls, which is good since most walls have trouble beating other walls.

 

[PlatinumDude]

So you think I should use Mega Heracross with Skill Link and some multi hit moves? I think thats's the best way to use him because of his good atk.

In a nutshell, yes. But you have to watch out for Talonflame.

 

[LiquidForce]

Blissey makes for a great special wall:


-Blissey w/Leftovers
Nature: Calm
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP, 252 Defense, 4 Sp.Defense
Moves: Softboiled/Wish, Aromatherapy/Heal Bell, Protect, Flamethrower/Toxic


Like [supporter]Platinum[/supporter] said MegaCross is usually better than regular Heracross. The wallbreaking power of Skill Link+180 base Attack is really nice.


Gastrodon can't really work it as a special attacker. Its offenses aren't high enough, and its movepool isn't big enough. It makes for a great bulky Pokémon, trust me.


And while Scald's burn chance is nice, its still not worth it on Gyarados. Having Dragon Dance and Waterfall allows it to beat other walls, which is good since most walls have trouble beating other walls.

So should I use RestTalk Gyarados, Mega Heracross, and Blissey? Of course with an Sp.Attacker and the other 2 slots :)

Should Alakazam be a good Sp.Attacker?

 

[Nah]

So should I use RestTalk Gyarados, Mega Heracross, and Blissey? Of course with an Sp.Attacker and the other 2 slots :)

Should Alakazam be a good Sp.Attacker?

Yeah, you can roll with Gyarados, MegaCross, Blissey, and Gastrodon/Hippowdon.

Alakzam is useable:

-Alakazam w/Focus Sash or Life Orb
Nature: Timid
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 252 Sp.Attack, 252 Speed, 4 HP
Moves: Psychic/Psyshock, Focus Blast, Shadow Ball, Hidden Power Fire/Ice

Another one to consider using is Volcarona:

-Volcarona w/Leftovers
Nature: Bold
Ability: Flame Body
EVs: 248 HP, 192 Defense, 68 Speed
Moves: Quiver Dance, Roost, Bug Buzz, Fiery Dance/Fire Blast

or

-Volcarona w/Life Orb
Nature: Timid/Modest
Ability: Flame Body
EVs: 252 Sp.Attack, 252 Speed, 4 Defense
Moves: Fiery Dance/Fire Blast, Bug Buzz, Quiver Dance, Giga Drain/Psychic/Hidden Power (Ground or Ice)

 

[LiquidForce]

Gengar@Life Orb
Nature: (+Sp.Atk -Atk)
Ability: Levitate
Ev's: 252 Sp.Atk, 252 Speed
-Hypnosis
-Dream Eater
-Nightmare
-Dazzling Gleam/Dark Pulse

Is this also an option?

 

[PlatinumDude]

Gengar@Life Orb
Nature: (+Sp.Atk -Atk)
Ability: Levitate
Ev's: 252 Sp.Atk, 252 Speed
-Hypnosis
-Dream Eater
-Nightmare
-Dazzling Gleam/Dark Pulse

Is this also an option?

No it is not. Gengar is a good Pokemon, but you're throwing its good traits out of the window. While Hypnosis induces sleep, a powerful status ailment, it's horribly inaccurate. Dream Eater and Nightmare are also wasted moveslots because the first thing that your opponent will most likely do when their Pokemon is put to sleep is to switch it out. Lack of STAB hurts big-time; Dark Pulse has the same super effective coverage as Shadow Ball. Gengar is best played as a Substitute utility attacker or with Destiny Bond + 3 attacks:
-Substitute
-Shadow Ball
-Will-o-Wisp
-Sludge Wave/Sludge Bomb/Focus Blast/Taunt/Disable
Nature: Timid
EVs: 28 HP/148 SAtk/80 SDef/252 Spe (min Special Attack Venusaur's Giga Drain and Clefable's Moonblast fail to break its Subs this way)
Item: Black Sludge

or
-Shadow Ball
-Sludge Bomb/Sludge Wave
-Focus Blast/Thunderbolt
-Destiny Bond
Nature: Timid
EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb

 

[LiquidForce]

No it is not. Gengar is a good Pokemon, but you're throwing its good traits out of the window. While Hypnosis induces sleep, a powerful status ailment, it's horribly inaccurate. Dream Eater and Nightmare are also wasted moveslots because the first thing that your opponent will most likely do when their Pokemon is put to sleep is to switch it out. Lack of STAB hurts big-time; Dark Pulse has the same super effective coverage as Shadow Ball. Gengar is best played as a Substitute utility attacker or with Destiny Bond + 3 attacks:
-Substitute
-Shadow Ball
-Will-o-Wisp
-Sludge Wave/Sludge Bomb/Focus Blast/Taunt/Disable
Nature: Timid
EVs: 28 HP/148 SAtk/80 SDef/252 Spe (min Special Attack Venusaur's Giga Drain and Clefable's Moonblast fail to break its Subs this way)
Item: Black Sludge

or
-Shadow Ball
-Sludge Bomb/Sludge Wave
-Focus Blast/Thunderbolt
-Destiny Bond
Nature: Timid
EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb

Thanks for helping me again! ^_^
I think I'll use your second example.
But uhmm... (This will sound very stupid) what do I need as sixth slot?

 

[Nah]

Well, you more or less have all your bases covered, so there isn't anything that's absolutely necessary in the last slot. I'd say put in either an additional special attacker since Gengar's your only one atm, or a physical sweeper, since Gyarados and MegaCross aren't terribly fast.


Or actually, maybe throw in Galvantula for Sticky Web support:


-Galvantula w/Life Orb or Focus Sash
Nature: Timid/Modest
Ability: Compound Eyes
EVs: 252 Sp.Attack, 252 Speed, 4 Defense
Moves: Sticky Web, Thunder, Bug Buzz, Giga Drain/Energy Ball


Not saying you have to use it, its just an idea.

 

[Puddle]

From what I've noticed, a Talonflame and a Jolteon, Manectric or any other electric or grass type really can sweep his team. I think he could use a solid special attacker to finish it. Maybe a Greninja or something along those lines. Not sure.

 

[LiquidForce]

From what I've noticed, a Talonflame and a Jolteon, Manectric or any other electric or grass type really can sweep his team. I think he could use a solid special attacker to finish it. Maybe a Greninja or something along those lines. Not sure.

Which type do you think I need in my team?
I also think I need another Sp.Attacker.

 

[Nah]

Your team isn't that weak to Talonflame, Jolteon, or Manetric, if you go with the advice that's been given to you so far.


But we've decided you're gonna add another special attacker to the team? If so, you got all the options that've been posted already (Alakazam, Volcarona, Galvantula, and Greninja). Or maybe something else?

 

[LiquidForce]

Okay, these are the ones that I'll use:
MegaCross
Gyarados
Blissey
Gastrodon
Gengar

And I'm still thinking about the sixth one..
Anyway, thanks for your advice so far!

 

[LiquidForce]

No it is not. Gengar is a good Pokemon, but you're throwing its good traits out of the window. While Hypnosis induces sleep, a powerful status ailment, it's horribly inaccurate. Dream Eater and Nightmare are also wasted moveslots because the first thing that your opponent will most likely do when their Pokemon is put to sleep is to switch it out. Lack of STAB hurts big-time; Dark Pulse has the same super effective coverage as Shadow Ball. Gengar is best played as a Substitute utility attacker or with Destiny Bond + 3 attacks:
-Substitute
-Shadow Ball
-Will-o-Wisp
-Sludge Wave/Sludge Bomb/Focus Blast/Taunt/Disable
Nature: Timid
EVs: 28 HP/148 SAtk/80 SDef/252 Spe (min Special Attack Venusaur's Giga Drain and Clefable's Moonblast fail to break its Subs this way)
Item: Black Sludge

or
-Shadow Ball
-Sludge Bomb/Sludge Wave
-Focus Blast/Thunderbolt
-Destiny Bond
Nature: Timid
EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb

So I'm almost finished, but could I also use Reuniclus or Roserade as a Sp.Attacker?

 

[Nah]

-Reuniclus w/Life Orb or Leftovers
Nature: Bold
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 252 HP, 252 Defense, 4 Sp.Attack
Moves: Psychic/Psyshock, Focus Blast, Recover, Calm Mind


-Roserade w/Black Sludge or Life Orb
Nature: Timid
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 Sp.Attack, 252 Speed, 4 HP
Moves: Leaf Storm/Giga Drain, Sludge Bomb, Sleep Powder, Hidden Power Ice/Fire


I'm not entirely sure if either is truly beneficial to the team, but at this point, I think its just best to start battling and see which of the 2nd special attackers works best for you.

 

[LiquidForce]

-Reuniclus w/Life Orb or Leftovers
Nature: Bold
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 252 HP, 252 Defense, 4 Sp.Attack
Moves: Psychic/Psyshock, Focus Blast, Recover, Calm Mind


-Roserade w/Black Sludge or Life Orb
Nature: Timid
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 Sp.Attack, 252 Speed, 4 HP
Moves: Leaf Storm/Giga Drain, Sludge Bomb, Sleep Powder, Hidden Power Ice/Fire


I'm not entirely sure if either is truly beneficial to the team, but at this point, I think its just best to start battling and see which of the 2nd special attackers works best for you.

Thank you, I'm currently breeding for a Greninja like Puddle said so I'll let you know his moveset if I'm done.