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True, but both Scizzor's defence, which lets him stand up to attacks, and his great stat upping moves (Iron Defence, Agility, Swords Dance), makes him the superior baton-passer.
 
Yes. Ninjask is an Over Used Baton Passer, but scizor is also used because of his Mighty Defence. Nijask has a crappy defence and its only high-point is its speed. One good hit and ninjask is as-good-as-gone. An Iron Defence Scizor will take next to nothing physical damage, Its Spec Def isnt that bad either.
Then, the Iron Defence, and Swords Dance (six turns), when Baton Passed, can cause Max Devistation. I think this Scizor is going to BP to Salamance? if so, then DD is no use, and we need to think of another move, maybe Arial Ace, or Stone Edge/Rock Slide for the Dragon/Flying and Ice Enemies?
 
I don't think Ninjask is an over-used Baton Passer, that's just his role. Its Defenses are too weak to survive as a sweeper or an annoyer, and Scizor has flexibilities. He serve both as a sweeper and a Baton Passer. I didn't look back at the other pages, but this is the set I gave mine..

Scizor @ Muscle Band/Leftovers
Adamant Nature
EVs: 6 Spd, 252 Atk, 252 Spd
Ability: Swarm
Iron Head
X-Scissor
Baton Pass
Agility

Okay.. why I chose Agility over Swords Dance is that it's a decision on whether you want to use Baton Pass first, or after the other persons attack. If you choose after, that means using it is a matter of prediction, BUT going first saves the chance of Scizor being KO'd, and the pkmn that comes out can either take the attack. Going first may be useful against Fire-types, where you can switch into a Flareon or Flash Fire user, but this is just a random situation. Swords Dance is still good, but Scizor should have little trouble doing damage with a fast Swarm and a Muscle Band.
 
The reason we chose scizor is he has many stat increase moves. We would baton pass not only to Salamence. We made it so that he could help any pokemon in any situation. Iron Defense could not only go on a sweeper for support, it could also be out on a already Defensive pokemon to make it a true wall. It doesnt matter what the situation, Scizor can help.

We argued over Ninjask for some time, but chose Scizor in the end because of its huge Defense advantage over Ninjask. Also, if Scizor were our last pokemon, then he could turn into a physical sweeper, Unlike Ninjask.
 
purunyosin said:
I don't think Ninjask is an over-used Baton Passer, that's just his role. Its Defenses are too weak to survive as a sweeper or an annoyer, and Scizor has flexibilities. He serve both as a sweeper and a Baton Passer. I didn't look back at the other pages, but this is the set I gave mine..

Scizor @ Muscle Band/Leftovers
Adamant Nature
EVs: 6 Spd, 252 Atk, 252 Spd
Ability: Swarm
Iron Head
X-Scissor
Baton Pass
Agility

Okay.. why I chose Agility over Swords Dance is that it's a decision on whether you want to use Baton Pass first, or after the other persons attack. If you choose after, that means using it is a matter of prediction, BUT going first saves the chance of Scizor being KO'd, and the pkmn that comes out can either take the attack. Going first may be useful against Fire-types, where you can switch into a Flareon or Flash Fire user, but this is just a random situation. Swords Dance is still good, but Scizor should have little trouble doing damage with a fast Swarm and a Muscle Band.
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i like this setup its decent but its kinda wierd without swords dance
 
We don't have Scizzor to attack. Swords Dance helps out more pokemon than Agility, but in my opinion, not by much. Still, we chose that because of how versitile it would be. Besides, most of our pokes are fast.
And Nekroboi, not to knock you, but Swords Dance or Iron Defence would be three turns, not six.

I really wish that you guys came into the conversation earlier. Better late than never. But still, we discussed these things before, but like I said, all opinions welcome.
 
Well this is done and decided already anyways.

But Ninjask isnt as frail as most people deem it to be. Infact even with the Double Team clause in effect Ninjask could avoid taking hits long enough to pass viable Speed Boosts.
 
Punishment said:
Well this is done and decided already anyways.

But Ninjask isnt as frail as most people deem it to be. Infact even with the Double Team clause in effect Ninjask could avoid taking hits long enough to pass viable Speed Boosts.
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he could always change his mind on moves for scizor, it would cost him 4000 tokens...
 
Originally Posted by purunyosin
I don't think Ninjask is an over-used Baton Passer, that's just his role. Its Defenses are too weak to survive as a sweeper or an annoyer, and Scizor has flexibilities. He serve both as a sweeper and a Baton Passer. I didn't look back at the other pages, but this is the set I gave mine..

Scizor @ Muscle Band/Leftovers
Adamant Nature
EVs: 6 Spd, 252 Atk, 252 Spd
Ability: Swarm
Iron Head
X-Scissor
Baton Pass
Agility

Okay.. why I chose Agility over Swords Dance is that it's a decision on whether you want to use Baton Pass first, or after the other persons attack. If you choose after, that means using it is a matter of prediction, BUT going first saves the chance of Scizor being KO'd, and the pkmn that comes out can either take the attack. Going first may be useful against Fire-types, where you can switch into a Flareon or Flash Fire user, but this is just a random situation. Swords Dance is still good, but Scizor should have little trouble doing damage with a fast Swarm and a Muscle Band.
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This type of Scizor is not the kind that we want for our team. We already have two very powerful pokemon capable of attacking. To be honest, the only reason i would give Scizor agility is to be able to be one step ahead of my enemy. We have seriously considered giving him agility, and we decided that it was better to go with Sword Dance and Iron Defense. In reality, Scizor only has to last a few turns before his purpose is served. The only reason he has X-Scissor is in case he is our last pokemon. In which case Ninjask would not last Punishment.

Originaly Posted by buizel6
i would have said get rid of baton pass and iron defense on scizor and give it roost and iron head for the heal and an extra STAB attack, i say scizor is a fighter, leave ninjask to baton passing. also make it an adamant nature, scizor is not a speedy pokemon
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That is the main reason we chose Scizor over Ninjask, because he is a fighter, but he can baton pass at the same time. To be truly good at this game, you must be ready for any situation. Ninjask is not capable of handling as many situations as Scizor, and that is the whole point in determining the best team in existance. Like we have said before, if Ninjask was the last pokemon we had to send out, we would probably lose.
 
Vainz said:
In reality, Scizor only has to last a few turns before his purpose is served. The only reason he has X-Scissor is in case he is our last pokemon. In which case Ninjask would not last Punishment.

That is the main reason we chose Scizor over Ninjask, because he is a fighter, but he can baton pass at the same time. To be truly good at this game, you must be ready for any situation. Ninjask is not capable of handling as many situations as Scizor, and that is the whole point in determining the best team in existance. Like we have said before, if Ninjask was the last pokemon we had to send out, we would probably lose.
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Well I have already agreed to having Scizor on this team. It is only theoretical that Ninjask wouldn't last against anything. Sure Ninjask has really low defenses but numbers aren't everything. Their is a reason why you see Ninjask more then Scizor in the competitive battling arena. Ninjask is a Baton Passer with abilities that will alow him to do his job at least once. What he does, he does great.

The situation where Ninjask is the last Pokemon can only happne to those inexperienced in the battle mechanics. IFf you were down to two Pokemon ando ne of them happened to be Ninjask who would you send out. Of course you go with the Baton Passer first to set uo your next Pokemon for battle and possbly a counter sweep. Also do not underestimate Ninjask's 90 base attack stat. It is quite potent and can hurt things with X-Scissors quite well. It has even been used as a counter to sweeping Psychic types such as Alakazam.

I'd like to see this team actually be created. In fact if each of the people who helped out in this thread I say we can raise one of each. Of course if we did this it would be a long term project. Then we can work on the counter to this team. It would be sweet to see how this team really functions in reality.
 
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Ok, we are going to settle the Scizor argument right now. I want three opinions, not counting me or Punishment. This thread is about the majority opinion. Punishment, if i lose, i will change it to Ninjask without question, but you must promise to do the same if you lose. If more than three people vote, then we will make a whole new thread, one about Scizor vs. Ninjask. As soon as this argument is over, i will start the Combating the Best Team Thread. Just so you know, i am building this team in my game to see just how good it is. I am competitive, so i will give feedback after a few matches.
 
I vote Scizzor. Not only because I would like to see this team done already, but because we already decided on Porygon-Z with Nasty Plot. Unless I am wrong, Ninjask can't learn Iron Defence. So not only will Pory be left defensless, but we will have to go back to the drawing board. I for one don't feel like doing that.
 
I vote the Scizor. Ninjask is good, but I don't like his base 45 defense and base 50 special defense. Scizor is way better, aside from speed.
 
As stated in the first line of my previous post I have admitted and accepted that Scizor is the best Pokemon for the burden it carries for the team. What my arguement is the fact Ninjask's purpose in the metagame is getting underplayed. Certain statements throughout the thread make it seem like Scizor is the superior Baton Passer because he "handle a variety of situations".

Numbers arent everything folks. I'm not sure if my message is confusing you guys or something but I am definately not trying to switch Ninjask in for Scizor. Thus my first statement stating I agreed Scizor is the best Pokemon for the job. I was merely countering points and asumptions made for the game as a whole.
 
Punishment said:
I'd like to see this team actually be created. In fact if each of the people who helped out in this thread I say we can raise one of each. Of course if we did this it would be a long term project. Then we can work on the counter to this team. It would be sweet to see how this team really functions in reality.
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Sweet, I call Salamence. In fact, I have a Charmeleon I'm training that's male, and a Bagon that's female, so that's pretty lucky. I can easily get Fire fang.
 
If this does happen of course I'd be happy to raise a Milotic.
 
Punishment said:
As stated in the first line of my previous post I have admitted and accepted that Scizor is the best Pokemon for the burden it carries for the team. What my arguement is the fact Ninjask's purpose in the metagame is getting underplayed. Certain statements throughout the thread make it seem like Scizor is the superior Baton Passer because he "handle a variety of situations".

Numbers arent everything folks. I'm not sure if my message is confusing you guys or something but I am definately not trying to switch Ninjask in for Scizor. Thus my first statement stating I agreed Scizor is the best Pokemon for the job. I was merely countering points and asumptions made for the game as a whole.
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No confusion on my part, I just don't wanna take a step back.
 
sims796 said:
No confusion on my part, I just don't wanna take a step back.
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Well then why are we having this whole election? I have admited that Scizor is best for this team and many times thorughout the thread when the team was finalized okayed it.
 
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