The Dragon's Den V.4

[Dooonerz]

I don't think so. They wouldn't call something the King of Dragons without it being a dragon. Like they wouldn't name a cat the King of Bugs. It doesn't happen. There has to be a reason that they named Kingdra the King of Dragons.

Okay then, what about Dragonite? Dragon-Elite, possibly?

 

[Xilfer]

That's where we disagree. I believe that Kingdra is a mix between Sea Horse and Dragon. It has similarities to both. And I don't believe that Nintendo would do something like misname a Pokemon.

I do, nintendo has done ALOT and i mean ALOT of stupid misnamings over the years, it could be a cross, since i haven't got my opinions settled 100% but i doubt it.
I'll need more proof to set my opinion to a stand still.

 

[dragoniteuser]

English names of pokemon are always word gamings that has a resemblance to it, or it reflects the name of an object or animal it is based of.
I think that Kingdra IS a POKEMON sea dragon, and that sea dragon doesn't necesarily HAVE to look like Gyarados.

@Doonerz
Dragonite's name is sacred so DO SAY IT!!!

@RHCP
That's the same specie just a different photo... O.o

 

[Xilfer]

Hm, i don't buy it. yes it could be a cross im still deciding on that...
Either way i beleive that the name has nothing to do with this.

 

[angel]

The Leafy Sea Dragon (Pictured above) is what I believe Kingdra is based off of and it is in fact a dragon. The Leafy Sea Dragon is a dragon. However it is closely related to Sea Horses. Which may be why Kingdra resembles a Sea Horse in some ways. Howerever Leafy Sea Dragons have larger bodies then Sea Horses.

I think Kingdra IS a POKEMON sea dragon, and that sea dragon doesn't necesarily HAVE to look like Gyradaos.

I agree 100 percent. There are diferent kinds of Sea Dragons. Having two pokemon based off the same animals is ok but it would got boring if they looked exactly alike.

I got my Sea Dragon infromation from here

 

[Shadow236]

Well, I guess i could see Dragonair evolve into something ike this:

Wouldn't this be too similar to Gyrados though?

Also Why isnt Altaria(Best Support Dragon) considered a dragon?? Its more dragon than T-tar and charizard as far as aerodactyl it dosent look like a dragon nor is it......If your listing pokes that can learn dragon moves up there that arent dragons then you should list Sceptile up there he learns dragon moves as well as rhyhorn and many others

I happen to agree with Treeko0 here! You can't be telling me that Altaria isn't on the Dragons list... guys, it's part Dragon, it doesn't matter if you don't like it because it's a DRAGON.

-And I think I will enter the Flygon contest then =)

 

[angel]

No matter how much I think it should be a dragon, Altaria is more bird then dragon.

 

[Xilfer]

The Leafy Sea Dragon (Pictured above) is what I believe Kingdra is based off of and it is in fact a dragon. The Leafy Sea Dragon is a dragon. However it is closely related to Sea Horses. Which may be why Kingdra resembles a Sea Horse in some ways. Howerever Leafy Sea Dragons have larger bodies then Sea Horses.



I agree 100 percent. There are diferent kinds of Sea Dragons. Having two pokemon based off the same animals is ok but it would got boring if they looked exactly alike.

I got my Sea Dragon infromation from here

Well, my mind was made up for the seahorse thing at about 98% but it looks like my mind has changed, i'll agree with you, that's sufficient proof.
Well done angel, you've changed my mind, and it's not really easy to do that XD

Wouldn't this be too similar to Gyrados though?


I happen to agree with Treeko0 here! You can't be telling me that Altaria isn't on the Dragons list... guys, it's part Dragon, it doesn't matter if you don't like it because it's a DRAGON.

-And I think I will enter the Flygon contest then =)

We have already disputed this, Altaria is a BIRD we all agree! and we're not gonna change our minds, it may be handy early on, but it is a bird, not all Dragon types are registered here because we don't CONSIDER them to be dragons, that's what we're disputing right now, wether Kingdra is a dragon or not.

thanks to angel, i think i'll give Kingdra a yes. after all, i still like it no matter what happens, it's one of my favorite pokemon :)

 

[tkallab]

Dragon or not; Altaria

We voted Altaria not a Dragon a long time ago. But when new people arrive, the opinion of the majority may change. If there are enough people requesting it, we can have a revote.

By the way, we're not voting for Kingdra at the moment, just discussing. I'm still doubting, I think I won't be able to sleep until I find out what is exactly so dragonny about Kingdra to me.

 

[dragoniteuser]

The Leafy Sea Dragon (Pictured above) is what I believe Kingdra is based off of and it is in fact a dragon. The Leafy Sea Dragon is a dragon. However it is closely related to Sea Horses. Which may be why Kingdra resembles a Sea Horse in some ways. Howerever Leafy Sea Dragons have larger bodies then Sea Horses.

Umm... Are you kidding me?!
Sea Dragons are not actually dragons. They're fish!
They're a seahorse specie, but the name alone isn't enough to say they're dragons! In fact seadragons... the FISH... have nothing related to dragons.
The name "dragon" is due to they're rarety, size, appereance that is unique, but it doesn't mean it's reallly a dragon.
Komodo dragon is a lizard, a monitor lizard actually, and the name "dragon" is strictly cause of they're size. That doesn't mean they're really dragons.
And so what if they're bigger, if a tuna is bigger then a sardine, does it mean it's not a fish, but a shark or a whale?!

 

[Xilfer]

Good point, but i disagree still, angel's influence about the dragon is too much TOO MUCH! XD

 

[JERIICHO]

Hey team i'm back of course i've been playing pokemon black on rom
and i have been having great fun with it i can tell you a good bit about the two third form dragons

Spoiler:

Axew basic dragon looks like Gible evolves Lv 38 again at Lv 48
very attack and defense heavy REALLY powerful when on second stage and as a really good moveset my moves are right now
X-Scissor
Dragon claw
Dragon dance
Slash
i'm on the the second stage approaching 3rd

Spoiler:

ok
Deino
found it at the victory road at Lv 41
very quick and good special attack/attack
second stage haven't got that far it evolves at Lv 50
then again at Lv 64!! thats very high for a pokemon highest Lv evo known yet i'm at Lv47 with both dragons
Deinos moveset for me is
Dragon pulse
Dragon claw
Dig
Dragon dance
another thing about its final form its stats are very very legendary like unlike dragonites its extremely close to latios and latias in terms of sheer power its stronger than dragonite salamence and garchomp

thats all i have to report if you guys want me to redirect you to where i downloaded the rom and how i got it to work i will show you the game is brilliant even on a laptop DS will be a huge breakthrough for pokemon i will be posting alot more reports on the dragon team also i count snivy final form to be dragon because it is serpent like so i will report more on my black gameplay because its adicting :D

 

[tkallab]

>Implying we can't look this up on Serebii

Spoiler:

I already took care of spreading the roms, in a legal way even.
Axew's line is by far my favorite dragon line from Generation V. Deino's also cool, but it evolves too late and I never liked multiple heads, and Crimgan's still kind of ugly, although I like it more than I used to already.

Make sure you put generation V stuff in spoiler tags next time, there are people who don't want to know about the new games yet.

 

[JERIICHO]

>Implying we can't look this up on Serebii

Spoiler:

I already took care of spreading the roms, in a legal way even.
Axew's line is by far my favorite dragon line from Generation V. Deino's also cool, but it evolves too late and I never liked multiple heads, and Crimgan's still kind of ugly, although I like it more than I used to already.

Make sure you put generation V stuff in spoiler tags next time, there are people who don't want to know about the new games yet.

Thanks for alerting me to that i changed it to spoilers now if you want to read it you may but thats what i think of them overall very good dragons

 

[tkallab]

Yeah, they're pretty good too bad they take so long to evolve...

But you've got that problem with all dragons. :/

 

[JERIICHO]

its a bit Farfetched having it evolve at level 64 anything between
50 to 60 is good for second stage anything between 30 and 40 is good far to high lv 50 to 64 is high but i suppose its good consider you can catch it at a high level i hope the real version is even better :D

 

[Xilfer]

Steino, don't change the subject XD
JERIICHO please, we are in the middle of a argument, if you want to talk about this stuff just VM the Steino.

Anyway, i think Sil should open up the votes now, doncha say Sil?

 

[tkallab]

I don't think we should vote. Most people probably agree that Kingdra is a Dragon at least in some way, and unless some people explicitly ask for a voting, it's not necessary.

Also, our subject is Dragons, right? Not just Kingdra ;)

 

[dragoniteuser]

And who knows more about dragons here, than me? ;)
But sereously, are we debatinag about dragons, and if we are, what excatly?

 

[tkallab]

Well, debating... We're just talking about Kingdra, and the Generation V Dragons a little too, I guess.

I think that what reduces Kingdra's Dragon-ness the most is its nose/mouth/snout(?).