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[Mystery2009]

Ok, here is a team i probably should have thought more into. I just could'nt figure out what was missing or what was wrong and its pretty much annoying me to death.So here goes the unthoughfullness(made up/incorrect words ftw) of my team im making.Please dont try to stick me with smogon sets because not everyone wants to be a clone,that is unless it is really nessecray.Critisism and jokes are invited so thats about opens this up.

Insults at a glance
(will be added when i get over 15 post so go ahead and flame me so i can at least knock some of them off here thanx)


"Malice " the Machamp
Item-leftovers/muscle band
Ability-No Guard
Nature-adamant
Evs-252 hp/atk 4 speed(or heracross set}
~rest
~sleep talk
~stone edge
~dynamic punch

Yes what am i thinking using two fighting types on the same team. Well thats one of the flaws i havent worked out.Im not really sure what a max hp and pretty good iv machamp could take so if some smart indiviual wouldnt mind perhaps posting what a machamp with this ev set could take from some common overused pokemon that would be greatly appreciated.I have almost no experience with this guy. I perfer no guard because well.....its friggin awsome. i also already have a guts user so its no thing. i can also use this to absorb sleep or something while catching my opponent with a no guard rest.I am trying to go for an all bulky team and i asummed machamp could survive antis choice band blissey better than a breloom.

"Grief " the swampert
Item-leftovers
Ability-torrent
Nature-adamant
Evs-252 hp/atk 4 speed
~waterfall
~substitute
~roar
~focus punch

I needed a phazer so i had to add this guy. i added an extra bulky set. waterfall for obvious stab and if i happen to come across a blissey i can switch in if i predict a t wave or sesmic toss. with 31 hp ivs and max evs in hp i can create 101 base subs. i can set up a substitute and if she dosent run well she is pretty much done. if she does run well thats two free hits for me to kill the next pokemon that comes into play(unless were talking a ghost then its just one hit).i didnt bother with another set really because it needs to able to survive a hit if i were to phaze and i have wish support so i wasnt too worried about recovering hp really.


"Hatred" the heatran
Item-leftovers/wise glasses/wide lens
Ability-Flash fire
Nature-modest/bold
Evs-36 hp 252 spatk 216 def
~rest/stealth rock
~sleep talk/dragon pulse
~lava plume/magma storm
~hp electric/earthpower/hp grass

Im feeling the rest-talk heatran for some reason. this heatran can support celebi completly.It is more of a back up if blissey for some reason cannot be there or do the job.Magma storm may be prefered over lava plume seeing as i like to see my opponent cannot escape.I am also feeling more on the lines of hp grass seeing as swampert likes to ruin the party.My thoughts on a set from the given options would be rest/sleeptalk/lava plume/hp grass.I am feeling sleep talk because i have options seeing as i can just wake it back up with heal bell.But I must also remember i could go without rest-talk due to the wish support but i still favor caution over recklessness.


"Vengance" the Starmie
Item-life orb/leftovers/widelens
Ability-Natural cure
Nature-timid
Evs-160 hp 132 spatk 216 speed
~surf
~thunder bolt/ice beam
~rapid spin
~recover/confuse ray/t wave

Needed a mixape counter so hopefully this will keep it on its toes.So I here that gyrados is annoying to bulky pokemon. Well lets see how he likes this.Ok no way im gonna fall for a stupid e vire switch in. co if i pack confuse ray i figure this will happen. They will switch in evire or some other "counter" and get rayed and allow me a possiblity to kill it.They will stay in and let me ray them and give me a possbility to be killed or kill them. Either way its fine to me its just mixape counter.


"Sorrow" the Celebii
Item-leftovers
Ability-Natural cure
Nature-Bold
Evs-252 hp/def 4 sp atk
~heal bell
~leach seed
~t wave
~grass knot
The idea for this thing is to annoy things suck as snorlax and other curse uppers as well as providing heal bell support to my team{i hope i didnt get that move wrong} T wave just to help out my bulky sweepers as a possibility.Energy ball or hp electric so i can have some attack strength and arnt taunted. Hopefully i can get ahold of hp electric but there is always charge beam


"Regret" the Blissey
Item-leftovers
Ability-seregrace
Nature-Bold
Evs-164 hp 252 def 88 sp atk
~wish
~t wave
~sesmic toss
~ice beam

Yep im tired. So many blisseys running around eating up the buffet leaving my pokemon left to starve. So im gonna run one also.Wish support for everyone seeing as my team is mainly bulky, dont you just love team players. Thunder wave for supporting the bulky pokemon. sesmic toss is obvious. ice beam and t wave are for major hax.Cant live with it cant live without it{lol dugtrio}. I have seregrace for two reasons. One to support maximum hax percentage. Also to hopefully end the game early for my over predicting buddies. Id be like well you should'nt think so much and if you would look over to your right at the top of your bottom screen you would have saw that i had one pokemon asleep thus allowing you to rethink but instead you lose because you were to lazy to look and thought i was going major ou{i am but thats not the point}

Well thats the team I appreciate you reading this and the over explanatory explanations and pokemon and i hope you enjoyed the effort i put into trying to make this look presentable for some of my classier folk. So thats it im ready for the insults.....i mean advice lets here it.

 

[BobberyJo]

It's not really rule, but most raters here dislike colored fonts.

You lack a true physical wall. Celebi is not going to cut it.

 

[Mystery2009]

yawn.......the colors are understandable i wont add them next time
celebi at max(if i get lucky) has 404 hp and 328 def.....how that is not a wall you tell me.

 

[BeachBoy]

It's not really rule, but most raters here dislike colored fonts.
You lack a true physical wall. Celebi is not going to cut it.

I don't know where that came from, but Celebi is an excellent wall. It can wall many threats in the metagame, in my opinion. So I disagree with that "Not going to cut it" when I've used celebi's as my only wall on my offensive teams and It's very effective.
You want Celebi to lock up Grass knot, energy ball is just meh. Also charge beam is also a no. You have many natural cure pocket monsters and a restalk machamp... You have absolutely no need for heal bell on this team. I say pack stealth rock over heal bell there. Also how fun is it going to be wipping out your Heracross's guts? Yeah I thought so, not fun if it was a wonderful toxic. ;D

Also, meh I dislike serene grace on blissey... but your choice I guess. And just because Celebi has only Grass knot doesn't mean it can't be effective. I'm going to say no to restalk Heatan here, yes it is effective on some teams, but dude more then half your team has no care for status. I would honestly say scrap those moves and try out specstran, or lifeorb tuant tran. (need the sets just ask) Also, on Celebi... Thunder wave > Psychic. You'll want to slow down the opponent seeing as this team lacks pure speed, surely would help Machamp and Heracross. This team is too conservative in my opinion. I would scrap recover slot on Starmie and give it Ice beam so it can dish out more damage, if I were you. A Mixmence which could cause the team a problem if you mess up in prediction.

Kudos for the Bulky water + Heatran + celebi combo, I love that metagame combo. ;D
I could go on, but I'm pretty tired. Just try out my suggestions and see how they work for you. I'm sure another member will come along and give a better rate anyways. ;P Good luck with the team.

i still favor caution over recklessness.

I know this is coming from me, whom is a berserker type. However, sometimes when your too conservative, they can take advantage of you. And it's not really recklessness it's offense. ;P And come on now, so many status absorbers and heal bell? You don't need to be that conservative.


EDIT: Also, you might want to test recover over leech seed... just play around with Celebi's set and see what benefits most for the team.

 

[Archer]

It seems a bit slow. You have nothing particularly fast besides Starmie and it's running a bulky spread, so its won't be sweeping. I really think you need a priority move. Here's an Idea:

Mamoswine @ Choice Band/Life Orb (If you keep Hera)
Adamant | Snowcloak
< 252 Atk, 192 Spd, 64 HP >
~ Ice Shard
~ Earthquake
~ Stone Edge
~ Ice Fang/Body Slam

This adds an electric immune, a priority move and it fits well with Heatran. I recommend this over Hera if you don't have a major problem with that, but I guess you could knock of Machamp and give Mamo Life Orb/Lefties.

Don't ask, it just seems to fit. Starmie seems out of place as you have no SR weaks. Can i suggest Gengar? I gives you three Immunities that you don't have: Normal, Fighting and Ground.

 

[Aquilae]

... I've used celebi's as my only wall on my offensive teams and It's very effective...

So says the guy who doesn't understand the definition of walls..

By the way, Starmie isn't even bulky O.o

Celebi isn't going to cut is as an only wall. Tyranitar would come in and Pursuit Celebi to death, same thing with U-Turners like Scizor. Moreover, Celebi does have the weakness to Dark and Fire attacks, letting Infernape and Lucario run over Celebi easily.

Big SDLuke weak - it can come in on Celebi and happily SD up and proceed to rape. Starmie is the only member of the team that is faster than Lucario, even then an SDed Life Orb Extremespeed does 84.38538% - 99.33555%, and OHKO with Rocks down.

Mixape weak on 5/6 members of the team - Mixape outspeeds and OHKOs. Having a team heavily weak to one pokemon and throwing in a counter wouldn't do much to help given that once Starmie is down, Mixape will be ripping through your team.

DDTyranitar weakness, as Tyranitar could come in for free on Celebi/Blissey and DD up, outspeeding Heracross and Starmie and scoring quick OHKOs.

MixVire also has fun with this team able to come in on Bliss' Twave and proceed to outspeed everything you got.

SDYacheChomp also can wreak some havoc KOing Starmie and proceeding to SD/Outrage up on Celebi/whatever.

No phazer means Sub/SD Ninjask gets away with stuff fairly easily.

Heracross is not a good lead. It will be completely walled and OHKOed by the most common starters, and leading with Heracross is not advantageous and will not help you score a surprise KO because of the obvious lack of speed.
The stuff that you are going to pursuit would be Hypnotising you early on in the game, so why take the risk?

Leading with Machamp may be preferred to run over the Hypnotisers first turn and to activate Sleep Clause.

Heatran is not a wall. Period. Heatran has a lot of useful resistances but a crippling weakness to Ground and to Fighting, making running Def pointless. I don't feel Heatran should be played as a wall in your team and should assume a more offensive role.
Go with ScarfTran.

Recover on Starmie is not wasting time. That is probably the first time I heard someone say that, and if I was mean I would have sigged it by now. The reality is Starmie has decent but not great defences, and its speed and movepool allow for a lot of free turns to use Recover. Please don't run a DeathStar strat, use Starmie to counter threats.
By the way, I find Rapid Spin redundant on Starmie considering that none of your team is weak to SR or would let a spiker/Tspiker set up.

Celebi should be replaced with a more appropriate physical wall, Gliscor would fit the bill . I would strongly suggest Machamp be replaced, as it isn't going to pose a threat to the opposition either way, and has no noticeable role on your team, besides absorbing sleep.

Blissey wants 148/252 Bold for Dugtrio, any SDef EVs are pretty much redundant given the fact that Bliss already has monstrous special defence. Protect > Twave so that you don't get raped while waiting for Wish. Natural Cure unless you somehow want 20% freeze rate on Ice Beam which is pretty stupid with Freeze Clause.

Lack of speed is what kills this team.

 

[Mystery2009]

I don't know where that came from, but Celebi is an excellent wall. It can wall many threats in the metagame, in my opinion. So I disagree with that "Not going to cut it" when I've used celebi's as my only wall on my offensive teams and It's very effective.
You want Celebi to lock up Grass knot, energy ball is just meh. Also charge beam is also a no. You have many natural cure pocket monsters and a restalk machamp... You have absolutely no need for heal bell on this team. I say pack stealth rock over heal bell there. Also how fun is it going to be wipping out your Heracross's guts? Yeah I thought so, not fun if it was a wonderful toxic. ;D

Also, meh I dislike serene grace on blissey... but your choice I guess. And just because Celebi has only Grass knot doesn't mean it can't be effective. I'm going to say no to restalk Heatan here, yes it is effective on some teams, but dude more then half your team has no care for status. I would honestly say scrap those moves and try out specstran, or lifeorb tuant tran. (need the sets just ask) Also, on Celebi... Thunder wave > Psychic. You'll want to slow down the opponent seeing as this team lacks pure speed, surely would help Machamp and Heracross. This team is too conservative in my opinion. I would scrap recover slot on Starmie and give it Ice beam so it can dish out more damage, if I were you. A Mixmence which could cause the team a problem if you mess up in prediction.

Kudos for the Bulky water + Heatran + celebi combo, I love that metagame combo. ;D
I could go on, but I'm pretty tired. Just try out my suggestions and see how they work for you. I'm sure another member will come along and give a better rate anyways. ;P Good luck with the team.



I know this is coming from me, whom is a berserker type. However, sometimes when your too conservative, they can take advantage of you. And it's not really recklessness it's offense. ;P And come on now, so many status absorbers and heal bell? You don't need to be that conservative.


EDIT: Also, you might want to test recover over leech seed... just play around with Celebi's set and see what benefits most for the team.

I am a very beserk battler. I can have a balenced team without walls if i wanted(believe me i was the only one in pc's clan war who did an all sweeper team and was 6-2 and didnt play 2 out of 10).My idea here was to practice my skills with bulkiness(which i do not seem to have).Right now i figure i might aswell replace my heracross for a "real lead".I guess I over predicted but im pretty sure my opponent would think it is a scarf cross seeing as it is a lead and almost no leads are slow. what was i thinking adding starmie. i need to probably add something with more speed to the team such as the mentioned gengar. i had heal bell on celebi because i was favoring running seregrace bliss and i had some rest talkers. I was hoping to pull off bulky heatran but then i most think........it may fail. Sorry about the jumbled mess of thoughts its just that i dont feel all of this was summarized but i wont knock it because if you dont explain yourself that just leads to you getting into an argument and having to perhaps post again so yea sorry about the mess above.
basically i am favoring this
removing heracross for__________.
keeping machamp(for sleep absorbing perhaps)
making heatran complete specs orb or and most likely scarfed(i need the speed)
removing starmie for gengar.
changing heal bell for stealth rock(perhaps) on celebi
not changing blissey.

i am at school currently and in a rush and i apoligize for any confusion i may cause in advance. i will come back and correct what is needed if you all feel the need to. i will also edit the as of the updates above also when i make it back on.


i most also see to it that i add more corrections to what the person under beach boy has said so far

So says the guy who doesn't understand the definition of walls..

By the way, Starmie isn't even bulky O.o

Celebi isn't going to cut is as an only wall. Tyranitar would come in and Pursuit Celebi to death, same thing with U-Turners like Scizor. Moreover, Celebi does have the weakness to Dark and Fire attacks, letting Infernape and Lucario run over Celebi easily.

Big SDLuke weak - it can come in on Celebi and happily SD up and proceed to rape. Starmie is the only member of the team that is faster than Lucario, even then an SDed Life Orb Extremespeed does 84.38538% - 99.33555%, and OHKO with Rocks down.

Mixape weak on 5/6 members of the team - Mixape outspeeds and OHKOs. Having a team heavily weak to one pokemon and throwing in a counter wouldn't do much to help given that once Starmie is down, Mixape will be ripping through your team.

DDTyranitar weakness, as Tyranitar could come in for free on Celebi/Blissey and DD up, outspeeding Heracross and Starmie and scoring quick OHKOs.

MixVire also has fun with this team able to come in on Bliss' Twave and proceed to outspeed everything you got.

SDYacheChomp also can wreak some havoc KOing Starmie and proceeding to SD/Outrage up on Celebi/whatever.

No phazer means Sub/SD Ninjask gets away with stuff fairly easily.

Heracross is not a good lead. It will be completely walled and OHKOed by the most common starters, and leading with Heracross is not advantageous and will not help you score a surprise KO because of the obvious lack of speed.
The stuff that you are going to pursuit would be Hypnotising you early on in the game, so why take the risk?

Leading with Machamp may be preferred to run over the Hypnotisers first turn and to activate Sleep Clause.

Heatran is not a wall. Period. Heatran has a lot of useful resistances but a crippling weakness to Ground and to Fighting, making running Def pointless. I don't feel Heatran should be played as a wall in your team and should assume a more offensive role.
Go with ScarfTran.

Recover on Starmie is not wasting time. That is probably the first time I heard someone say that, and if I was mean I would have sigged it by now. The reality is Starmie has decent but not great defences, and its speed and movepool allow for a lot of free turns to use Recover. Please don't run a DeathStar strat, use Starmie to counter threats.
By the way, I find Rapid Spin redundant on Starmie considering that none of your team is weak to SR or would let a spiker/Tspiker set up.

Celebi should be replaced with a more appropriate physical wall, Gliscor would fit the bill . I would strongly suggest Machamp be replaced, as it isn't going to pose a threat to the opposition either way, and has no noticeable role on your team, besides absorbing sleep.

Blissey wants 148/252 Bold for Dugtrio, any SDef EVs are pretty much redundant given the fact that Bliss already has monstrous special defence. Protect > Twave so that you don't get raped while waiting for Wish. Natural Cure unless you somehow want 20% freeze rate on Ice Beam which is pretty stupid with Freeze Clause.

Lack of speed is what kills this team.

Big SDLuke weak- Thank you for pointing this out. No phazers makes my team pretty much a pushover which leaves me to be 6-0d by ninjask passes and other noticablly strong pokemon that favor powering up.I know the brute force of a sd lucario and donot wish to vs it with this current team so my physical sweeper will HAVE to have roar.
Mixape weak - I realised this when i made the team first. you have a point here because i cannont relie on just one pokemon to just counter it. i was also a fool for saying that recover is useless on starmie seeing as this is one of the times you can predict and use recover so yes i was wrong.
SDYacheChomp- once again phazer will be needed and i will have to up my speed game because i am too easily being outspeed by pokemon with such low speeds. one pokemon with + 350 speed just dosent cut it i have realized now

I would also like to thank those who have helped me thus far and those who will perhaps join in helping me. thank you very much you are all very smart and helpful and i sincerly thank you for wasting your time to help another. you are all great thanx

 

[silver%]

grrrrrr it seems this stupid computer has put me onto this account so id like to apoligize. it tends to open up different accounts itself and i try to stay on my mystery account so sorry

seeing as i have messed up yet again i might aswell add what i am thinking as of now

Swampert@sassy/impish
leftovers
evs-252 hp 200 atk 56 def or special def or 36 hp 120 def 96 sp atk 252 sp def
~water fall ~curse/stealth rock/roar(favoring)
~earthquake ~water fall
~roar ~earthquake
~stealth rock ~hp electric(gyrados and i dont really need rest perhaps because i have wish support)