US Elections 2008: Debate the Issues

[Cherrim]

1. It's absolutely not ok, and I'm for reforming the healthcare system so that people aren't left behind. I'm not totally blind to the healthcare problems we have in this country, and I think they can be addressed without the use of socialized medicine. Sorry, I just don't agree with this. You might call those who don't want to pay more taxes to support universal healthcare greedy and selfish, but 1.Is it fair to some one who worked hard, went to college, got a degree and made money have it taken away from them and given to someone who say...didn't go to college, didn't work hard, and now needs the government to support them? (Yeah, yeah, this doesn't apply to everyone. Some people aren't at fault for being in poverty, but then again, some are.) And: 2. Where's that liberal fairness we all love? Like they say "Equality and Fairness, unless you're rich in which case we're taking your money." It works in other countries because other countries accept these socialistic policies, but I do not, and others will agree with me. (Note: Republicans. and that's a fair amount of people)

...so a few extra taxes to ensure that EVERYONE gets health care when they need it are that bad? I can't even imagine living without free health care. I know someone who was hospitalized recently and their hospital bill for one night was over $1000. Sure, if your family has good insurance, it probably won't matter, but I know some people in the US who simply will not go to the doctor because they can't afford it. This isn't even a matter of not affording the treatment suggested--like pills or something--they can't afford the visit. That just boggles my mind because I've always grown up with free health care. I'm not feeling well? No worries. I can just head to a health clinic and see someone about it, even if it's nothing. The idea that anyone would hesitate about going to the doctor not because they don't have time but because they can't afford even a check-up is just... just... @_@; Universal health care is not a bad thing. I don't know ANYONE under a universal health care system who doesn't appreciate it. Sure, I may not appreciate some of the waits we have, but I would seriously consider moving if I didn't have access to free health care. The taxes are a small price to pay, imo. (To be honest, I've probably racked up thousands of dollars in health care fees over the last few years. To not have to worry about huge bills and everything? It's a big relief.) Before you go dismissing socialized medicine, actually look into it. Maybe you've never had any health problems in your family, but I sure as hell hope you don't since it'll probably cost you way more than anticipated if you do. D:

2. She's a mother. Her judgement here was obviously affected by strong emotions. You're telling me that if you were pro-life and your daughter got pregnant, you wouldn't care about how this would affect your daughters life? On the one hand, you could stick to your guns and say "No abortion", or you could actually give a darn about the welfare of your daughter. Having a child at that age is never good, and what kind of mother would she be if she didn't take that into account? I'm Pro-choice, and if my daughter was pregnant, I'd be conflicted as well. I can over-look this and give her some slack, but obviously will follow this to no end to see her suffer because of this.

Precisely because she's a mother, it worries me that she hasn't changed her viewpoint at all. If she respects her daughter's decision, then she must have known it was a hard decision. If she's so unempathetic that she can't think outside the box about all the women who don't want to keep the child, that bothers me. Fine, if you aren't pro-choice when someone just went and got themselves knocked up, fair enough. But also in the case of rape and incest!? That's ridiculous. You say she'd be a terrible mother if she didn't care about her child's welfare--but what about the welfare of every woman in the US? So if someone else's daughter is raped, it's okay to FORCE her to carry and birth the child? :| Ahaha, yeah, I don't agree in the slightest with her ideals there.

3. Oh blah, blah, blah...separation of church and state. How can you truly separate church and state when so many of our laws are linked so closely to religion? How about things like Gay marriage and Abortion? You would truly ask people to put their core beliefs aside and make a decision on this issue without first remembering how they grew up and how they live their life? You might as well ask everyone to not have morals and be atheists. Would that be the fairness that liberals are so fond of?

I would expect people to put aside their beliefs when making laws and decisions regarding anything, especially those. While the US is largely Christian, there are ALL KINDS out there. Laws shouldn't be made with one group in mind. Just because a lot of them probably are now doesn't mean it's right.

6. What kind of question is that? I'll point out again, Palin IS NOT running for president. If the American people didn't think that Bush was qualified, they wouldn't have voted for him...twice. I was 10 years old when the 2000 election took place, and 2004 I wasn't quite as educated as I am now, so surprise, I'm not well versed on Bush's qualifications before he was elected, but I can tell you that one term of presidency sure as heck qualifies you for another, no matter how much you might disagree with his policies.

McCain is old. If he should croak before his term is over, she has full rein of all the power in the US. :(

Let me clearly state her morals for you "If you are pregnant, you MUST have the baby, unless you are a member of my family, in which case I might show a little more concern for someone I care about. I don't want to see their life ruined by having a child at such an early age, but because I am pro-life, they should and will have the baby. I may have simply used the wrong word when I said "choice", but I'm a mother and I love my children. I'm not cold and heartless, so naturally I might say some things I don't mean. I wish liberals would stop taking everything I say out of context."

I should really group this up above but oh well.

I really think that, if she really respected and cared about her daughter's choice, she'd rethink her stance on the issue altogether. WHY is it okay for her daughter to have a choice when she advocates that no one should have a choice. I find it disgusting that she can have this viewpoint when "to abort or not to abort" was obviously a heated issue in her own household. Her daughter had a choice. She may have chosen to keep the baby, yes, but her daughter had the CHOICE. To take that choice from millions, especially in circumstances that they cannot control? That's disgusting. I don't care if she's not the personal mother of all those women--as a mother to someone who had to have struggled with the choice (and her daughter had consentual sex, which to me makes a big difference), she should realize how important it is that everyone should have the right to choose.

By the way, did you know McCain and Palin believe that the victims should be the ones to foot the bill on a rape kit? What do you have to say about that?

THIS. THIS THIS THIS. This is disgusting! If someone breaks into your house and robs you, the government pays for the investigation, they pay for the fingerprinting, they pay for all of that. But if someone breaks into your house and rapes you--oh, we're sorry but you've gotta pay for the rape kit. What? You can't afford it? Well, sorry, but we aren't going to catch the culprit for you. Try again when you're richer! (And keep in mind that rape kits aren't cheap. They include hospital stay, an anti-contraceptive, etc. It adds up. D:)

lol my lunch break ended like 10 minutes ago. I should get back to work. 8/

 

[Ivysaur]

Yes....? What did any of that have to do with what I said about liberals? You might for drastic change to restore the U.S. to it's "former" glory. See? There you go again with the "America is broken" stuff. You think just because the U.S. has problems we're suddenly a horrible country to live in? Now you know why I call you hypocrites. You say you are patriots and love your country, but cannot bear to call it great anymore. You just said it above me, you don't think the U.S. is glorious. This isn't the first time we've had problems, and won't be the last. You want to scrap everything and start over again? We've dealt with problems before without a massive overhaul of old policies, why can't we do it now?

Hey, hey, hey, I never called myself "patriot" for the simple reason that I live in Spain, not in the US. But yeah, the US has problems, you said it, and that's why you have to solve them. But what have caused these problems? The policies you have been following, maybe? Solution? Change them! *hinthint*

Plus, I highly believe that a patriot is somebody that cares about his country and try to get the best for it, not one who sings the anthem louder than anybody and waves the flag each 30 seconds *points at the Republican convention*

I don't believe everything I see on the news, because I know they are liberally biased and trying to get me to think differently than I do now. Oh wait! Solution! FOX NEWS!

Allstories already dealt with this: I seriously prefer liberal biased news to conservative biased news. But do you know what's the best option? WATCHING THEM BOTH, and taking your own oppinions after comparing them.

That's your opinion.

That's my experience after living in a country with Universal Health care for the last 17 years, as well as having my father working in a public hospital.

Let me clearly state her morals for you "If you are pregnant, you MUST have the baby, unless you are a member of my family, in which case I might show a little more concern for someone I care about. I don't want to see their life ruined by having a child at such an early age, but because I am pro-life, they should and will have the baby. I may have simply used the wrong word when I said "choice", but I'm a mother and I love my children. I'm not cold and heartless, so naturally I might say some things I don't mean. I wish liberals would stop taking everything I say out of context."

Yeah, who cares for the children of people I don't know[/sarcasm]

Excuse me, but did you just call the U.S. less civilized than other countries because we don't allow abortion and gay marriage in our country? Mmm....Nice one. Honestly, I'm pretty apathetic about the gay marriage thing. It's going to happen at some point, just a matter of time. But abortion is just flat out wrong and I happen to believe we would be MORE civilized if we didn't allow it. Or is it civil to kill infants before they are even born? My mistake, murder is completely fair.

...okay, who was talking about "Taking things out of context"? I just said that more and more countries are allowing that, not that the US is not civilized for not doing so @_@

And, about "murder being fair", just look at the people who are waiting for the electric chair. My bad, killing a bunch of cells that aren't even a being by themselves is a crime, killing a full living person isn't in some cases.

Wow, you really do believe everything you read, don't you? I saw your article, and if that particular news outlet happened to be fair and show both sides of the argument, I might have paid some real attention to it. And that certainly isn't going to make me turn around and vote for someone with barely any foreign policy experience.

Okay, link to the news, including the original conversation: https://youtube.com/watch?v=lIcEa1CLhc8

Sorry, it's CNN news, sorry if I didn't find FOX, I took the first result that came up.

And yes it's a big problem. But this is not because of our economic policies. Where did you get that?

I got that because the problem started in the US bank system. If the US banks gave mortgages to people earning $800 a month just to get easy, fast money by making them last 60 years, I think it may be the fault of the country who allowed them, not Russia's fault (to say some random country).

 

[Aurafire]

I'm on my iPod right now, but I'll be sure to get back to all of you. 3 vs. 1 Is totally fair btw =p

 

[Netto Azure]

I'm on my iPod right now, but I'll be sure to get back to all of you. 3 vs. 1 Is totally fair btw =p

4 vs. 1 now....=P

I have to agree with them...you've seen how vehemently I was for Universal Healthcare. Also if we can make things better for our fellow citizens, why shouldn't we. I mean we have more than $800 Billion for Wall St. in corporate welfare why can't we give some of that to the poor...(Yeah I know you'll say "throwing money") =D but eh I don't have time to elaborate yet...Also I'm probably going to rant and babble later on about my Mom voting Republican due to single-issue topics (Abortion & Gay-marrage) >:-(

 

[Xairmo]

3 vs. 1 Is totally fair btw =p

Who ever said politics was "fair"? >.>

1. It's absolutely not ok, and I'm for reforming the healthcare system so that people aren't left behind. I'm not totally blind to the healthcare problems we have in this country, and I think they can be addressed without the use of socialized medicine. Sorry, I just don't agree with this. You might call those who don't want to pay more taxes to support universal healthcare greedy and selfish, but 1.Is it fair to some one who worked hard, went to college, got a degree and made money have it taken away from them and given to someone who say...didn't go to college, didn't work hard, and now needs the government to support them? (Yeah, yeah, this doesn't apply to everyone. Some people aren't at fault for being in poverty, but then again, some are.) And: 2. Where's that liberal fairness we all love? Like they say "Equality and Fairness, unless you're rich in which case we're taking your money." It works in other countries because other countries accept these socialistic policies, but I do not, and others will agree with me. (Note: Republicans. and that's a fair amount of people)

@TheBold: Is it fair to take hard earned money from people to bail out AIG? If I had to choose between my hard earned money going towards something like universal healthcare and bailing out heartless profit-machines, I'd pick universal healthcare. There are so many social and economical factors that hold people back. You could be the brightest person in the world and not be able to go to college to prove how bright you are on a resume because you couldn't afford it. People can't choose what families they're born into. We need to help those who can't help themselves. It might even bring a better sense of unity to this country.

2. She's a mother. Her judgement here was obviously affected by strong emotions. You're telling me that if you were pro-life and your daughter got pregnant, you wouldn't care about how this would affect your daughters life? On the one hand, you could stick to your guns and say "No abortion", or you could actually give a darn about the welfare of your daughter. Having a child at that age is never good, and what kind of mother would she be if she didn't take that into account? I'm Pro-choice, and if my daughter was pregnant, I'd be conflicted as well. I can over-look this and give her some slack, but obviously will follow this to no end to see her suffer because of this.

How can you say you're Pro-choice? Just a second ago I read a post by you explaining how abortion is just flat out wrong!

3. Oh blah, blah, blah...separation of church and state. How can you truly separate church and state when so many of our laws are linked so closely to religion? How about things like Gay marriage and Abortion? You would truly ask people to put their core beliefs aside and make a decision on this issue without first remembering how they grew up and how they live their life? You might as well ask everyone to not have morals and be atheists. Would that be the fairness that liberals are so fond of?

You have the right of Freedom of religion and I have the right to be gay.
@TheBold: OMFG! Christians are allowed their beliefs and think that me marrying another man is wrong, but how the hell does me getting married affect them? It's not like I'm forcing them to be gay! You're trying to set up a government based around Christian beliefs! You deserve to live your life however you want and follow whatever religion you want, just as I deserve all those same liberties! I'm tired of feeling like a second class citizen! I can't marry, I can't adopt (cuz you know all we queer-o-sexuals do is molest children right?), and I can't even join the army. It is still socially and politically accepted to discriminate against gay people.

4. It's not, I don't agree that she has a lot of foreign policy experience. But that really isn't the biggest issue for me. Plus, Newsflash, she's running for vice president, not president. You would have me believe that Obama has legitimate foreign policy experience? Sorry, a few trips to Iraq and one senate term doesn't cut it for me.

She maybe running for VP, but there's a damn good chance McCain is going to die within his first term (if elected). I mean he's 72 and has had like every major skin cancer known to man.

5. I'm currently not very educated about the circumstances of what exactly happened when she said that, so you win for now.

We just win period >.>

6. What kind of question is that? I'll point out again, Palin IS NOT running for president. If the American people didn't think that Bush was qualified, they wouldn't have voted for him...twice. I was 10 years old when the 2000 election took place, and 2004 I wasn't quite as educated as I am now, so surprise, I'm not well versed on Bush's qualifications before he was elected, but I can tell you that one term of presidency sure as heck qualifies you for another, no matter how much you might disagree with his policies.

Bush is just an idiot. I haven't the time nor the patience to point out everything he's done wrong. Gore technically won, btw. *shot'd*

If you loved America, you wouldn't be ashamed of it and what issues might be of importance. When your solution to our problems is to radically change what has made us so great, I don't buy that as patriotism. I'm not against change. The world is evolving, and so should we. But I think the media blows our problems out of proportion and creates an intense nervousness in people that causes them to panic and demand radical change that is not needed. The foundations of our country are strong. I believe in the policies that made America the great country that it is today, and I'm not going to scrap everything just because we have a few issues. Issues come and go, just as they always have. Did people in the past panic like they did today? No they did not.

People of the past DID panic quite a lot actually, ever hear of a lil' something called The Great Depression? And no one is trying to "radically" change America. Sure we believe there are things that need revisions, which is why we have these nifty little things called amendments. There's a difference in being ashamed of America, and being ashamed of what it's becoming. I love America, it's great here but there are aspects of America that piss me off. America isn't perfect, but according to you we must think it is to be patriotic, yes?

 

[Cherrim]

How can you say you're Pro-choice? Just a second ago I read a post by you explaining how abortion is just flat out wrong!

That's actually quite possible. Someone can think something is wrong, but still agree to give the option to others. (Case in point, people who disagree with gay marriage but still wish EVERYONE to have the same, fair rights.) D: In fact, a lot of people who agree that abortion is just full-out murder also agree that it may be the best choice in some cases. That's just separating personal beliefs/religion from the law. :x

 

[Aurafire]

Allstories: I'll have to apologize for my "obtuseness" that you think I exhibit. There's you go with the name calling again. Paranoid cretin....haven't heard that one before. Forgive me if I'm coming off in a displeasing way. I'm just trying to express my opinions, not about you personally, but liberals in general. And while you continue to argue your points in a way that is characteristic of a liberal, I am forced to call you call you out on it. I'm so tired of arguing this, So you know what? STATEMENT RETRACTED. Liberals are unbiased, patriotic and don't think that the U.S. is a horrible place! HAPPY???

You've made me to goddamn angry about liberals and how they think, I really just could not help myself. The way you think, the way you argue your points....It just bothers me, ok? Feel free to bite right back with how you hate conservatives and such, at least I won't call you anything. I respect your opinion, but you obviously don't respect mine.

Fox News is not conservatively biased, and I invite you to prove me wrong. Don't mistake bias for giving both sides of the argument.

I am not religious, I'm agnostic. However, I believe that life is sacred and should be protected. That cluster of cells is a human life, sorry you don't see it that way, but I do. And thusly believe that the destruction of those cells is murder. And before you go jumping down my throat, in extreme cases of rape and when there is a danger to the mother's life, I think abortion is acceptable.

Lightning: I'm not as conservative as you might think on this issue. Sorry for not pointing this out before, but I am in favor of optional universal healthcare, and those who want/are in need of it should definitely have this option open to them, as long as it doesn't cost any more taxpayer money. I don't know how in the world we would fund it, but if it works, wonderful. The top 1% of the populations pays something like 35% of the U.S. tax burden, and I think that's high enough.

I already explained my position about abortion above: In extreme cases, yes abortion is acceptable, but I still don't like it, and that's my personal opinion on the issue.

I agree with you on the rape thing as well, it's ridiculous. I am totally against that law.

And thank you for being civil, Lightning. You expressed your views in a very calm way (Unlike some people I know...)

Went: Sorry about that, I forgot that you live in spain. And yes, some of our current policies have been causing problems and need changing, I agree. We just disagree on which issues and how to correctly deal with them. I also agree with your definition of a patriot, I just happen to disagree on the way people choose to express themselves as such for reasons that should already be clear.

I CERTAINLY agree with you on getting both sides of the argument and making your own decisions, but the point is most people in our county do not in fact get both sides of the argument, thus altering theit own decision-making abilities. And again, I invite you to prove to me that Fox News in conservatively biased.

Our death penalty system is an absolute joke. You might be convicted of a crime and sentenced to death and wait upwards of 15-20 years before you've exhausted all your appeals. That's not a death penalty. The system is broken, but yes, I'm a supporter of the death penalty. I just think the way we go about enforcing it is horrible.

Thanks for the link. Yup, McCain came off as a blubbering idiot. The man isn't perfect, and I never said he was. The U.S. doesn't have anything against Spain, and I'm pretty sure we maintain a policy of friendship with them...McCain could have just came out and said that. -_-

Ugh...please let's not get into the banking crisis. (Yes it's a crisis)...I'm not fully versed on this issue as well.

Also Went, thank you also for being civil and expressing your points clearly. (Unlike some people I know)

Tommy: 4 vs. 1? No problem =P

Hopefully I've made my views on healthcare clear.

Honestly, when it's 4 minds against one, you all make me sound like an idiot. I guess that's just what I get for being an 18 year old conservative....I'm already vastly out numbered. The vast majority of young people are liberal, and sometimes I find myself thinking that the words that come out of my mouth don't even make sense because of everything I hear from my peers. Just know that there are plenty of other people out there that think like me and will back me up. Unfortunately, PC seems to be out of those people -_-

EDIT: 5 VS 1! Thanks Xairmo....the nail in the coffin. Because this thread has debate in the title, I'm forced to comment on it. BUT I DON'T NEED 5 PEOPLE QUOTING EVERY ONE OF MY POSTS SAYING HOW I'M FLAT OUT WRONG. 1 or 2 is fine. But you guys just do not let up, do you???

I don't even know anymore. I'm not going to take the time and effort to try to explain the Republicans argument if I don't even get any enjoyment out of it. I'm honestly quite tired of this. Please rename this thread "Election 2008: Why Democrats are right and Republicans aren't"

Just to clarify: I AM PRO LIFE. You have seriously got to be kidding me. I never, EVER, said I was pro choice. My beliefs on abortion should be clear. Yes, now I see the typo. But seriously dude, couldn't you have just realized that, or we're you just too eager to prove me wrong?

 

[Allstories]

Allstories: Fox News is not conservatively biased, and I invite you to prove me wrong. Don't mistake bias for giving both sides of the argument.

Do you consider Hannity & Colmes to be a balanced debate show?

I don't know how in the world we would fund it, but if it works, wonderful.

If you have health insurance in America chances are you are paying out the wazoo for it to some blood-sucking insurance company. Why not just pay for health care through taxes and allow everyone to at least be able to see a doctor if they need to, instead of weigh the economic risks of their right to live?

 

[Cherrim]

We aren't ganging up on you, though most of us did joke about it. You just happen to be the only one here defending that viewpoint right now unless someone wants to play devil's advocate. Like you said, the younger generation is just very liberal (especially the forum-goers, as I've noticed) so it's not really a fair debate in that sense. :(

Anyway, Allstories just summed up my reply to the health care thing. But I'll also toss in that universal health care can't be an opt-in, opt-out thing. It wouldn't work that way, because the funds just wouldn't be significant enough.

 

[Aurafire]

We aren't ganging up on you, though most of us did joke about it. You just happen to be the only one here defending that viewpoint right now unless someone wants to play devil's advocate. Like you said, the younger generation is just very liberal (especially the forum-goers, as I've noticed) so it's not really a fair debate in that sense. :(

Which is why there's no point for me to argue on my behalf, I'll just end up being proved wrong and looking foolish. What's the point? No one is going to change each others core views, that's why everyone argues so ferociously and we resort to name-calling and hostility towards each other. It really can't be helped. I try my best to argue my points in a calm manner, but even I let my emotions get carried away. One little paragraph of unreasonable anger totally ruined this for me.

And really....if no one agrees with me, I get nothing out of this. So yeah, I'm done for now.

 

[Chibi-chan]

Just to lighten up this conversation. :D
....Continue.

 

[Aurafire]

Just to lighten up this conversation. :D

I will say this...he's not the best dancer in the world. XD

 

[Red1530]

I read the CNN article about Wasilla charging for rape kits. Wasilla was not the only town to charge for them as some posters conveniently forget to mention. Also according to local records the issue was not brought up at city meetings.

To the posters that say governors are not qualified to be President, I have a list of twentieth century presidents that were governors.

• William McKinley, Governor of Ohio, 1892-96
• Theodore Roosevelt, Governor of New York, 1898-1900
• William Howard Taft, Governor of the Philippines, 1901-04
• Woodrow Wilson, Governor of New Jersey, 1911-13
• Calvin Coolidge, Governor of Massachusetts, 1919-20
• Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Governor of New York, 1929-33
• James Earl Carter, Jr., Governor of Georgia, 1971-75
• Ronald Wilson Reagan, Governor of California, 1967-75
• William Jefferson Clinton, Governor of Arkansas, 1978-80, 1982-92
• George Walker Bush, Governor of Texas, 1995-2000

 

[Volkner's Apprentice]

I would like to address the concerns about Governor Palin. When she was nominated for Vice-President, she already had more experience then Senator Obama. She ran a small town and a small business. She is currently running a state and while running that state took on corruption in her own party. While she lacks foreign policy experience, she is not going to be conducting foreign policy. It is highly unlikely that if Senator McCain was elected President, he is going to die in the first thirty days office. So if McCain dies in office, Palin will be ready as she has some time for training, unlike to top spot.

Okay so, everyone does realize the giant fiasco that just happened his ^--his fault right?

Getting back on topic, the current issue of debate was education and not "Let's splurge right back into Democrats vs. Republicans part twelve-hundred and sixty two." O_O

Seriously dude, read the current discussion before hurtling the masses into an uproar. I'm even voting for McCain and I'm disliking that guy for not thinking before turning a handful of PC greats against Aurasphere in this respect. Not to insult you Red, but if you want to state your beliefs about the election in general, perhaps that can be done during somewhat of an intermission to topics? From what I can see those statements were present at the beginning and only the beginning of this thread, afterwards it's just side-track on issues which debate threads try to avoid. There is a difference between debating something and arguing with someone, just to clear that up. If you want to enrage someone, do it on your own time, that goes for everyone to responded too. There is such a thing as level-headed behavior. You have to analysis a collection of posted information before you deem "wow this person is insulting me" when one should be thinking "Oh he's misunderstanding what I'm presenting, let me try to clear things up from my point of view."

Just remember we're all here because of our love of Pokemon :mudkip^_^:, don't let political issues come completely between you and another user. Respecting other's viewpoints is key to success, you don't get there by ganging up or name calling. Politics might seem like the only fun to it is completely ripping each other apart, but hey, c'mon, focus on the real things at stake here. What are you going to do by doing that? That is the worst way of trying to get someone to see your point of view. It's also the worst way, which if you didn't notice is what politicians usually try to do, to persuade the public to think like they do. How else will they get your vote?

Being honest, I'm sure once in awhile everyone likes to blow off steam and this kind of thing seems the best way to do it, but when you take into consideration that these issues kind of reflect our countries and...well, our futures? That's kind of an important thing to be taken calmly. Swiftly, sure, but calm would be nice. So again, not pointing fingers, Red, but it's probably better not to taunt the masses.

So ANYWAY, what does everyone think about education? Hopefully everyone chimes in for the particular issues and not just ZOMG ARGUMENT, ME JOIN. -_-

 

[Netto Azure]

True!!! Bravo!!! *clap-clap*

Okay so, everyone does realize the giant fiasco that just happened his ^--his fault right?

Getting back on topic, the current issue of debate was education and not "Let's splurge right back into Democrats vs. Republicans part twelve-hundred and sixty two." O_O

Seriously dude, read the current discussion before hurtling the masses into an uproar. I'm even voting for McCain and I'm disliking that guy for not thinking before turning a handful of PC greats against Aurasphere in this respect. Not to insult you Red, but if you want to state your beliefs about the election in general, perhaps that can be done during somewhat of an intermission to topics? From what I can see those statements were present at the beginning and only the beginning of this thread, afterwards it's just side-track on issues which debate threads try to avoid. There is a difference between debating something and arguing with someone, just to clear that up. If you want to enrage someone, do it on your own time, that goes for everyone to responded too. There is such a thing as level-headed behavior. You have to analysis a collection of posted information before you deem "wow this person is insulting me" when one should be thinking "Oh he's misunderstanding what I'm presenting, let me try to clear things up from my point of view."

Just remember we're all here because of our love of Pokemon :mudkip^_^:, don't let political issues come completely between you and another user. Respecting other's viewpoints is key to success, you don't get there by ganging up or name calling. Politics might seem like the only fun to it is completely ripping each other apart, but hey, c'mon, focus on the real things at stake here. What are you going to do by doing that? That is the worst way of trying to get someone to see your point of view. It's also the worst way, which if you didn't notice is what politicians usually try to do, to persuade the public to think like they do. How else will they get your vote?

Being honest, I'm sure once in awhile everyone likes to blow off steam and this kind of thing seems the best way to do it, but when you take into consideration that these issues kind of reflect our countries and...well, our futures? That's kind of an important thing to be taken calmly. Swiftly, sure, but calm would be nice. So again, not pointing fingers, Red, but it's probably better not to taunt the masses.

So ANYWAY, what does everyone think about education? Hopefully everyone chimes in for the particular issues and not just ZOMG ARGUMENT, ME JOIN. -_-

Wow...I totally forgot about the education part...=P But yes, our passion for our views on politics can cloud ourselves and hurt other people's feelings (Sorry...Aura (;_; ) Yes our love for Pocket Monsters (Yay for PokeSpe!) is what brought us here to this forum. Let's not devolve this debate thread into "my political party is better than yours" arguments. Let's start by not devolving to name calling (Seriously has anybody read that breach of etiquette exchange between me and Aura, Then how I resented it later) You guys are some of the MOST friendliest people I have ever seen. Let's not have our Political views create schisms and grudges, remember the person your replying to IS A PERSON!)

SO LETS KEEP DISCUSSIONS ON TOPIC AND ON THE ISSUES! PLEASE :D

Also I'm watching PBS and they're right Wall St. is changing right in front of our eyes...Very historic times...=D
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Just to lighten up this conversation. :D
....Continue.

ROTFL!!!!This is the kind of humour that we need to calm everybody...XPPPPP

=D

And yeah let us try not to be a bunch of hypocritical politicians. Seriously if politicians just follow what they say in their 4th of July speeches things might actually become better, Instead of taking lobbyist money and become a bunch of corporate sellouts. Help...Don't bash me...XD

 

[Red1530]

President Bush has summoned top lawmakers including Senators John McCain and Barack Obama to a meting in the White House to discuss the Bailout plan.

 

[Netto Azure]

Yup....

President Bush has summoned top lawmakers including Senators John McCain and Barack Obama to a meting in the White House to discuss the Bailout plan.

I was going to post that....But yeah...Photo-op for Bush? Yet I just hope all of them WOULD ACTUALLY DISCUSS THE PATH TO TAKE DURING THIS CRISIS. Politics would of course get into this since Either senator will become President.

Anyways the first Presidential Debate was scheduled for Friday (Wow...Moderated by Jim Lehrer? I might actually watch this one since I always try to tune into "The News Hour w/ Jim Lehrer" on PBS which I trust...?cautiously?) but the economic crisis will probably postpone it while McCain, Obama, Congress, and Congress debate on which course to take.

https://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=at0jj_i8qxN4&refer=us

Anyways in anticipation for the Presidential/VP Debates:
If you could ask the Presidential/VP candidates one question what would it be?​

Me...I'm not sure since it's an opportunity of the lifetime...​

Also if you want to talk about the Economy and Education, go ahead...​

Now for some Campaign ads: I know they're outdated since it was made before/around the Primaries. Sorry Republicans if it's offending but I just had to post it since this is a Pocket Monsters forum. Seriously if Campaign ads were made like this, maybe we'll actually listen to them for once.
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If you guys have found a Republican version post it....=D​

 

[Red1530]

Great video finds vtommy1.

 

[Netto Azure]

Heh...^_^

Great video finds vtommy1.

I actually found these a couple of months ago during the primaries....I actually wanted to post them up but was too lazy to do so...But yeah they're funny...If politics were like this things would be A LOT EASIER...=P J/K

So anybody watching the Presidential Debates tonight?

I'll try since the economy is tanking as it is...But isn't it supposed to be about foreign policy?​

 

[wolf]

This might be off topic for a moment. But do you think McCain is going to the debate tonight?