Weavile Counter

CalmCune? oh, Suicune. After this thread is complete, you and I, Kazaam, could start a Counter thread together. I mean you have tons of ideas along with other people. ^^

~desu Saba~
 
~Kazaam~ said:
I think I'm going to go and start a CalmCune counter thread.
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Haha, that sounds like a good idea... but isn't Suicune banned? I've been told countless times he's sometimes considered Uber, better than most legendaries that are legal. But good plan, 'cause I hate CalmCune with a passion.
 
I've never faced a CalmCune due to I never like battling people with any legendaries, cept people I'm really good friends with cuz it's more for fun than competition.

(Kazaam, once both of these threads die, you and I and Pride Reaper can collaborate on a complete counter thread.)

I've updated with Infernape set. It's really bad, missing two moves an item.

~desu Saba~
 
*cough* wheeze* *sneeze*

Umm....guys?

A counter must be something that switches into any of the other Pokemon's moves, with little or no damage, and pose an immediate threat to said Pokemon.


Try to base your counters with what a "true counter" really is. For example Yanmega and Breloom cannot switch in to save it's life, so take them off the counters list.


Notable counters to Weavile are: Bronzong, Forretress, Metagross, Skarmory, Gyarados, Swampert, Regirock, Scizor, Hitmontop, Hariyama, and Heracross.
 
Breloom you've made a point. Yanmega on the other hand I think that Alakazam played the scenario out well enough to convince me and others. Most people with a Weavile will act on impulse to a situation like that. So if EVd right, a Yanmega can be a counter in my mind.

~desu Saba~
 
flamehaze94 said:
*cough* wheeze* *sneeze*

Umm....guys?

A counter must be something that switches into any of the other Pokemon's moves, with little or no damage, and pose an immediate threat to said Pokemon.


Try to base your counters with what a "true counter" really is. For example Yanmega and Breloom cannot switch in to save it's life, so take them off the counters list.


Notable counters to Weavile are: Bronzong, Forretress, Metagross, Skarmory, Gyarados, Swampert, Regirock, Scizor, Hitmontop, Hariyama, and Heracross.
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That isn't necessarily true -- it all depends on how you interpret the word "counter". Counter in the sense that you just stated, or counter in the sense that the Pokemon would DEFINATELY stand a chance against Weavile when pitted against it, under any circumstance.
 
~Kazaam~ said:
Actually, most Weaviles are Focus Sash'd, not Choice Banded O_o. Which is why Hippowdon makes such a great counter, 1 Earthquake Ko's it, after the Sandstorm has messed it up of course.
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Ehh, so you're playing the guessing game and hoping it's Focus Sash'd? Good luck dying.

*Damage calcs from jolly 252 Atk Weavile Ice Punch on impish Hippowdon 252 HP/Def:
Life Orb: 47% - 55%
Choice Band: 54% - 64% (guaranteed 2HKO)
Swords Dance + Life Orb: 94% - 111%

*Damage calcs from jolly 252 Atk Weavile Ice Shard on jolly Aerodactyl 4 HP:
Life Orb: 77% - 91%
Choice Band: 89% - 105%
Swords Dance: 119% - 140% (lol)


A counter is something that can switch in, take the hit, and scare away the other pokemon. Hippowdon is not a counter. Aerodactyl is not a counter.

This is a counter:

Forretress @ Leftovers
Impish 252 HP/4 Atk/252 Def/
Gyro Ball
Explosion
Spikes
Rapid Spin


*Note - if I repeated someone, it's only because it took me long enough to calculate this. <_<;
 
~Kazaam~ said:
Um, sorry but Regirock can't survive 2 Ice Punches for a Life Orb'd Weavile. Or Brick Breaks for that matter. Also, if it's Focus Sash'd, and has Aerial Ace (I've seen it happen) then Heracross=NO.
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Let's see now:

23.35% - 27.20% from Jolly/max attack, LO Weavile to 252HP Regirock.

31.04% - 36.54% from same Weavile.

Weavile can't afford to lose the capablities of Night Slash/ Pursuit/ Ice Punch/ Brick Break. All Aerial Ace Weaviles are lol, unless they have something to back it up that can kill Cress.
 
~Kazaam~ said:
What EV Spread did you give that Regirock? I'm guessing Max HP and Defense? Well, they run Careful most of the time. For Sandstorm mixed walling.
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With 200 base Def it doesn't even need a nature boost do deal with Brick Breaks from Weavile. Brick Break on Weavile is really not that great since he doesn't get STAB. Rock Slide / Stone Edge from a STAB'd 100 base Atk is enough to make Weavile flee.
 
Thanks Kazaam. ^^

Ok, flamehaze, make sets and stuff too. That way we know exactly what you're trying to tell us. You're just saying pokemons' names and then hoping we get exactly what set you're thinking about. Plus if you give it to me, I'll add it to the original post.

~desu Saba~
 
~Kazaam~ said:
Um, sorry but Regirock can't survive 2 Ice Punches for a Life Orb'd Weavile. Or Brick Breaks for that matter. Also, if it's Focus Sash'd, and has Aerial Ace (I've seen it happen) then Heracross=NO.
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And people would send in heracross to its death bed if it didn't know what item it held and if it knew AA? You'd have to be stupid to do that, seriously. Not to mention that spikes and SR can beat focus sash weavile.

And no, there is no different way to interpret a counter. They HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SWITCH INTO THE POKEMON THEY'RE COUNTERING. flamehaze is right.

For example, dugtrio technically only counters one or two pokemon (nonm-ice beam bliss basically). It can kill A LOT of stuff, but it can't counter much. It could take down celebi in ADV, but you get the idea.

EDIT: Steelix, who has almost the exact same Defensive stats as regirock, can survive an expert belt powered EQ from electivire-TWICE.
 
For the Metagross you mentioned, I'm thinking:

Metagross@???
Adamant~252 Attack/Defense
Reflect
Bullet Punch
Zen Headbutt
Meteor Mash

I know it sucks, fix it please. xD

~desu Saba~
 
Syaoran said:
Ehh, so you're playing the guessing game and hoping it's Focus Sash'd? Good luck dying.

*Damage calcs from jolly 252 Atk Weavile Ice Punch on impish Hippowdon 252 HP/Def:
Life Orb: 47% - 55%
Choice Band: 54% - 64% (guaranteed 2HKO)
Swords Dance + Life Orb: 94% - 111%

*Damage calcs from jolly 252 Atk Weavile Ice Shard on jolly Aerodactyl 4 HP:
Life Orb: 77% - 91%
Choice Band: 89% - 105%
Swords Dance: 119% - 140% (lol)


A counter is something that can switch in, take the hit, and scare away the other pokemon. Hippowdon is not a counter. Aerodactyl is not a counter.

This is a counter:

Forretress @ Leftovers
Impish 252 HP/4 Atk/252 Def/
Gyro Ball
Explosion
Spikes
Rapid Spin


*Note - if I repeated someone, it's only because it took me long enough to calculate this. <_<;
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I run that exact same Fortress. He is amazing at countering Weaville. Plus, If you know hes gonna switch then you can lay a layer of spikes down.
 
PlayaFritz said:
I run that exact same Fortress. He is amazing at countering Weaville. Plus, If you know hes gonna switch then you can lay a layer of spikes down.
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Or even gyro ball gengars dumb enough to switch in. It's actually happened to me quite a few times :0
 
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